Trufan

So you're with the WOS coach or against? Coming from someone that has done some recruiting, just because a kid transfers high schools doesn't mean I offer him or pull the offer I already had... My mind would've been made up despite what some high school coach said...

I'm for right. And all I stated was facts

Sorry for the delay but the attorney who handled this case has been under the weather.

Here is the information. The judge who made the ruling was Judge White-Rogers of the Orange County Court at Law. The Order is public record for any who have their doubts in a case under Trey's name. I can also confirm that the Judge insisted on making part of the Order a finding that Trey was big transferring for athletic reasons.

So there you go.

Can't wait to hear responses to this.

This is actually funny. For those of you who are on the outside of this conversation looking in, here is she scoop. This is a very black and white issue (pun). If you notice one group (the group that I'm in) talk about the actual facts of what's going on. The other group the pro Thompson group are sarcastic and demeaning. They focus on semantics and grammar. Never really dealing with the actual issue. The issues are. Why are kids wanting to leave WOS and why is Thompson trying so hard to prevent future kids from leaving. Bottom line. The kid left. It's a done deal. Coach Thompson knows that. His focus is intimidating others from leaving. Question why are kids trying to leave a program that went to state last year? Kids should be breaking down the door to transfer in. The last two kids that transferred in both had third scholarship offers pulled. They both ended up getting another offer but still. Their offer was pulled. The last two varsity played that transferred out received offers in the double digits weeks after leaving WOS. Those are facts.

This is actually funny. For those of you who are on the outside of this conversation looking in, here is she scoop. This is a very black and white issue (pun). If you notice one group (the group that I'm in) talk about the actual facts of what's going on. The other group the pro Thompson group are sarcastic and demeaning. They focus on semantics and grammar. Never really dealing with the actual issue. The issues are. Why are kids wanting to leave WOS and why is Thompson trying so hard to prevent future kids from leaving. Bottom line. The kid left. It's a done deal. Coach Thompson knows that. His focus is intimidating others from leaving. Question why are kids trying to leave a program that went to state last year? Kids should be breaking down the door to transfer in. The last two kids that transferred in both had third scholarship offers pulled. They both ended up getting another offer but still. Their offer was pulled. The last two varsity played that transferred out received offers in the double digits weeks after leaving WOS. Those are facts.

I love how they haven't answered this question WOSgrad

"They" lol

There was a time when things like this would happen and only a few people would know what happened. Friends of the program would control the local media to make sure only a program friendly version was put out. With the invention of social media, the average sports fan can have input on the facts of the situation. I think this is a good thing, especially in small towns.

Please explain. Not understanding what you mean by "filed". Was this done in a court?
 
The thread title is very misleading and this thread needs explaining, otherwise it will come down.

What's misleading? The kid moved. Thompson complained to the uil that HE thought trey moved for football related reasons. Thompson then recanted and then today he filed again with the uil saying HE believes trey left for football related reasons. Seems pretty clear to me. What I would like to know is WHY. Can anyone connected with the WOS program tell me why he is going down this road?

Hypothetical situation.. Coach Foreman goes to....let's say Bridge City (example). He does the same thing there that he's doing at his current school. Making contacts, making sure his kids go to as many camps as possible, and...whatever else he's doing.

Do 12 kids from Bridge City sign to play college football next year?

 

they probably wont have 12 but i bet they would have 1 or 2 more than they did. thats what this is all about, helping the children.

Just a question for jkbtjc53 and TRUFAN MR P--- Did either of u play for coach T

No I did not. Why do you ask? What does it matter ? What exactly are you saying?

So the AD holds a gun to the administrator and says sign this or else.  Yeah, if I were you, I'd want me to stop, too.

This is funny. You know a principle cannot stand up against Thompson without their job being in jeopardy. That's reality. Varsity blues. Lol.

You still haven't answered my question. Who is the vindictive administrator who signed off on it?

Anderson the principle at the high school told me he signed it. As far as the vindictive part I did not witness that from him. He did his job. The process starts and ends with Thompson. No one can do their job until he does his. Thompson is the block. You can try and share the blame if you want but this is all on Thompson.

My wife and I put a lot of time in on our son. I sent out lots of emails and my wife took him to lots of camps. We started his sophomore year in high school. He received several football offers and several track offers. He chose to accept a full football scholarship. He took as many dual credit courses as he could in high school and will most probably finish his masters degree before his eligibility runs out. He dedicated himself to being the best student/athlete that he could be and it payed off in the long run. It is a combined effort of parents and the student/athlete. A school that has a coach dedicated to helping the students get to the next level helps tremendously if you are lucky enough to be in a school district that does have that.

Great post. You and your wife are looking at the bigger picture. Parents have a huge part in this process. The cool part about the way y'all did it is Even if your child didn't receive a scholarship, you instilled hard work and effort into him. He knows the importance of academics and the most important thing is you spent quality time with him during a time when he is most at risk.

Lol wow!!! I'm not sure if you really just don't know or if you do know and just ignore reality. You stated there were 2 types of kids who don't make it. I offered a 3rd option. You stated a coach would NEVER trash a player. Wow really. So coaches are the only people walking the earth that are perfect. Lol. My wife always says never and always don't exist. As far as athletes committing crimes and getting away with it, I won't go into that on here because it happens all the time. I could list several instances when this has happened. Especially when the kid is a star player. The coach covers up the crime an allows the kid to play for him through his senior year. Then tells every recruiter that the kid is a cancer. Selfish and petty. Like I said before if whatever the kid did was not bad enough to kick him off your team then why tell the recruiter. That's petty and selfish. You are allowing the kid to help you but won't allow him to help a school. Ooook now I'm done with this post. I have allowed you to prove that you are an advocate for coaches. I'm sorry but you drank the cool aid. You simply refuse to admitted that a coach can be wrong. That's scary. You remind me of all those great supporters of penn state and jerry Sandusky. Good bye.

You know what I've been thinking....I'm what's wrong with high school coaches? No...YOU sir is what's wrong with America. This whole thread is.
"What should a high school coach do for ME"... How about this. "What should I DO FOR ME?!"
Get in the weight room, get on the track, get off the couch this summer, get your grades up, stay out of trouble, stay long hours watching film, take criticism and fix it instead of cry about it....
This whole topic has officially pissed me off....what should someone else do for me...do it yourself!!!!! Do that and they'll help you I promise. Earn your help.
And guess what....even when all that happens...it still might not matter. Sometimes you're just not big enough, not strong enough, not fast enough, not smart enough,...NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
They only made 1 movie about kids like Rudy.... That's because that doesn't ever happen.

Oh yea, and as far as "me" being bad for this country. You should watch your mouth. You, my friend have no idea what I have sacrificed for my country.

You know what I've been thinking....I'm what's wrong with high school coaches? No...YOU sir is what's wrong with America. This whole thread is.
"What should a high school coach do for ME"... How about this. "What should I DO FOR ME?!"
Get in the weight room, get on the track, get off the couch this summer, get your grades up, stay out of trouble, stay long hours watching film, take criticism and fix it instead of cry about it....
This whole topic has officially pissed me off....what should someone else do for me...do it yourself!!!!! Do that and they'll help you I promise. Earn your help.
And guess what....even when all that happens...it still might not matter. Sometimes you're just not big enough, not strong enough, not fast enough, not smart enough,...NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
They only made 1 movie about kids like Rudy.... That's because that doesn't ever happen.

Lol, my friend, at no time did I say that a coach should give a player any special treatment.also, if this conversation pisses you off, thin I suggest you abstain from social media. Now , What I said was, the coach should not INTENTIONALLY trash a player. I agree with everything you are saying about work ethic. I loved the movie Rudy, but for some reason there is a disconnect between what I say and how you understand what I say. It seems like you think I'm saying that a coach should give his stamp of approval to a kid who didn't work hard and has a bad attitude. That is not what I'm saying. I'm saying that a player should work hard and be accountable and coachable. Those are the kids a college should want. BUT, sometimes colleges will take a chance on a kid who may come up lacking in some of those areas. My point is, in the case of both of those kids, a highschool coach has no say in which one a college wants and should not attempt to discourage a college from recruiting either kid. All that being said it does seem that you feel that there are an over abundance of lazy kids with bad character. I agree with you, there are some of those. But there are also some petty vindictive coaches out there who don't have ALL of his kids best interest at heart. It would be nice if you saw it from both sides. You stated that you liked the movie Rudy. I suggest you watch the movie Varsity Blues and explore the other side of highschool football.

Not final say. But if I'm a coach I'm not promoting a kid that can't play according to my judgement. Wether it be judgement of talent or judgement of character.
If I did promote a kid..and they ended up sucking as a college player, flunking out of school, or even not having ability (in the eyes of the college coach) ...well that would be the last college coach that ever trusted my judgement.
Me personally...I would be careful of who I "helped".

So your answer tojkbtjc53,s question is yes a coach should have the FINAL say so weather a kid should get a scholarship. Who are you to make a decision for a college ? I don't care if the kid is an ax murderer, if the college wants him, that's their business. You my friend are what's wrong with high school football coaches. Coaches like you are the reason recruiters have no respect for the opinion of high school coaches. You value your biased opinion too much.

Admittedly haven't seen Mr. Jacquet in multiple sports but, I find it hard to believe that anyone can do what Grayland does on a football field (that's why he's going to Baylor) and then drop 43 as a sophomore in the regional final in basketball.

I have got to go see him play next year.

1. I wouldn't coach high school sports for 100k a year. Waaaayyy too many delusional parents and lazy kids to deal with. I'd get fired week 1. Because I am and have always been brutally honest....with anyone.
2. Can you not read? I said coaches can and should do some things for kids not on anyone's radar...that have the ABILITY to play. Not everyone. I honestly believe they do.
Just because PARENTS THINK their kid should've gotten a scholly doesn't mean coach didn't try to help. Only so much they can do.
By the way....do you think Jameis Winston wouldn't have gotten a scholarship to Florida St if the coach "helped" him out. Kind of sounds like that's what you're saying.

Oldschool2, I think you either missed my point or you are ignoring it.im not talking about the kid who thinks he is 5 stat but doesn't even start on his own tea because some one else is better. My point is that there are a very small percentage of coaches that for some reason go out of their way to sabotage a kid. I'm talking about when a coach deliberately and intentionally ignore attempted correspondence from college recruiters. I'm talking about when a coach will not allow certain universities on campus. I'm talking about when a coach intentionally withholds mail from universities from a kid. Regardless of what the high school coach thinks of a player, if a college wants to recruit him, that's on them. Like I said before, if whatever the kid did was not bad enough for YOU to kick him off YOUR team, then it isn't worth mentioning to a recruiter. That's means you will allow the kid to help you win games but you DONT want the kid to help himself. #selfishandpetty.

Sam Houston State offered this morning.

Total agree.
My point of the story is for people that know me off the site I assist a lot of kids in getting scholarships and putting their name out to the recruiting media.
A lot of the feedback I get from coaches is very negative regarding two SETX schools. One is WOS and the other is Nederland.
Regarding WOD I have had multiple college coaches tell me that unless the HC is in the office when they call he won't return their phones calls, a couple o. Coaches have said prospects from WOS have called them asking them to not mail their recruiting letters to the HS but instead to the recruits home because the coaches at WOS hold the kids mail and could cause them to miss some important documents.
WOS is aurguably the top program in the Triangle but unless it's a major prospect signing D1 you don't see a lot of other kids signs to smaller schools or junior colleges.
At Nederland, I've heard the same except add on the fact that I've been told by recruiting aites they have drove to Nederland to check and see what all kind of talent they have and get height and weight updates and the Nederland HC has kick those reporters off campus. This hurts a kids recruitment very very badly.
Imo if a kid goes out and busy his butt for you be a man and help the kid have a chance at a better life via a college degree. Don't try to be so much of a hard ass that you don't return a phone call or keep a kids mail.
Yes people will say the HC is to busy to return every call. I call BS, return every call if it means even just one more kid on your te getting a scholarship then it's well worth it.

I think it's part of a coaches job to inform a student athlete if a college has attempted to contact that player. Also, unless you are in prison, any mail addressed to a person is the sole property of that person. If that mail is tampered with, opened, sensored, discarded or distroyed, it is considered a federal crime. If I were in the position where this happened to my child I would press charges. There is no need for parents to cuss and fuss when there are issues concerning Their kids. You are a parent and a tax payer. EVERYONE in your ISD is accountable to you. There is nothing wrong for holding them accountable for doing anything within their job description. If you know of someone who is having issues and they are not comfortable dealing with the situation, you as a neighbor, family member, friend or co worker should offer your assistance. As Christians we are supposed to help each other. Don't listen to that bull people cay about it not being your business. If someone needs your help, help them because we are all our brothers keeper.

My guess is that coaches have very limited time. If a kid was a great kid and great leader who did what he was asked and busted his tail for the team, 99% of coaches will go to the ends of the earth for them. If your kid's coach isn't helping your kid get a scholarship, you should probably come to the realization that one of two scenario's is possible 1) your kid isn't good enough to play at the next level  2) your kid is a lazy selfish cancer...why should a coach go outside the scope of his job and use his valuable time to reach out and help a kid that didn't bother to show up to practice?, or when he did he faked injuries to not do anything, or loafed around and acted like he was doing coach a favor just by showing up? Coaches are people too, If a kid is an "it's all about me" guy, then he can take that attitude with his recruiting as well and handle it on his own.

There is a third senario. Maby the coach is a selfish, bitter, petty, egocentric, narcissistic, self serving, narrow minded shell of a coach. Who does not always have the best interest of all of his players at heart. But even when you play under a coach like this you can still be successful because what God has for you is for you.

College scouts can find out anything about anybody. Most colleges have people whose only job is to follow social media. They track some kids from middle school. There are camps for every level of kid all over the U.S. That being said there are coaches who transport their players all over the place to give them every opertunity to be successful. Some don't. I have no problem with either one. A high school coach may not be able to get you a scholarship, but they damn sure can Sabotage of prevent you from getting one. A scout may not listen to a coach raving about a player(because most coaches do that and they have seen the film) but his ears will pop up when a coach says negative things. College coaches look at 10 players that look exactly the same on paper and in person. They are looking for discriminators to help separate the talent. So, if a coach puts his player down it hurts the players chances to be offered. I have heard people on here say" the high schools coaches reputation is on the line". " the coach has to disclose all". My take on that is, if that player played for you for 3 or 4 years and what ever he or she was doing wasn't bad enough for YOU to kick him of YOUR team then why mention it to the college recruiter. To me, that's freaking selfish and petty. You have no problem letting that player bust his ass and help YOU win games, but you don't want the kid to be able to help him self at the next level. Like I said. Selfish and petty.

The offers will start rolling in real soon. I'm excited for the young man.

Brides says he likes "freakish athletes". That's what Arnald is. I'm not saying that he is Earl Thomas, but they do have a lot in common and he is about the same size as Earl was when he came out of high school.

Congrats Dillon. I also think it's pretty cool that the only other QB selected to the elite 11 also has ties to Orange. Felipe Franks was the first QB selected. He is the first cousin of the Franks boys from WOS. His dad graduated from here.