fwoodfan

The issue here isn't whether the coach of the winning team should have had his girls stop trying to score at all, but he could have done several things to prevent the score from being this lopsided:

 

1) Have your girls stop shooting threes.  If you want them to keep shooting and get the practice of shooting in a game just have them step on or just inside the three point line to shoot.  Almost the same shot, but only 2/3s the points.

 

2) Call off the half court trap/ press etc after the first quarter.  Take the opportunity to have your team work on their half court defense, their zone defense etc.

 

3) Make your girls pass it 4 or 5 times before shooting.  This way they can still shoot, but they work on their passing skills as well.  And, it takes time off the clock.

 

4) Tell your team they can only score on layups.

 

What many are overlooking here is that the winning coach missed an opportunity to have his players work on things that would make them better in a game situation.

 

The thing that makes me mad is the attitude of the winning coach.  He knows all the things listed above and could have instituted all or some of them.  His team would have gotten to practice things that will make them a better team moving forward all without humiliating a bunch of high school kids.  The score still would have been 80 or 90 to 10.  Surely that's enough.  There's big difference between everybody gets a trophy and not showing up a defenseless team.  The coach's suspension was warranted.

Not going to lie.  I'm worried about Friendswood's team next year.  This year we graduated one of the most talented and deepest group of seniors in the history of the program.  Coach Koopman will have to replace 3 starting o-linemen, our throwing QB, our four year starting RB and his primary back up, three receivers, 4 of the six d-linemen who played, three linebackers who played, the best cornerback and the best safety in school history.  To make matters worse many of these young men played both ways and our corner was our kicker.

 

We have two returning olinemen, two returning d linemen, one very good linebacker returning, one corner, and Tyler Page at QB.  Lots of guys are going to have to step up and contribute who had limited playing time this season.

Football has gotten a black eye in the media over the past few years with news of abuse by players and increased concerns about head injuries. Many in the media and in our society seem convinced that the game teaches kids to be violence and is driven by parents trying to live out their own dreams of glory at the expense of their son's health.  But those people overlook the real heart of the game and the benefits it provides to the young men who play.

 

My own son's football career came to an end this season when his team lost in the second round of the playoffs.  There were tears on the field and in the crowd when the last seconds ticked off the clock.  As the weeks since have passed I have had time to reflect on my son's experience as a football player and what football has done for him and for other young men across the state and country.

 

My son was not a star player on his team.  In fact, he only got to play in four games, always in "garbage" time at the end of games.  But we celebrated all thirty or so snaps he took, because they represented the payoff of all the hard work and pain he endured to earn them.  Football taught my son so many things -- how to work with others, how to commit to something bigger than yourself, how to support others, how to overcome adversity,  how to accept responsibility for actions that impact others, that success has to be earned, and that the most rewarding things in life are the product of hard work. These are the lessons that football teaches. 

 

When you combine those things with the fact that football encourages young men to be better students and gives them extra incentive for staying in school, I believe that football benefits our society much more than it harms it.  I'm thankful for the game, those who sacrifice their time to coach it, and those coaches who care about the development of the young men under their supervision as men and not just players.

Friendswood wins 50-26.  It was a pretty solid effort by the Lady Mustangs, but its hard to tell because Goose Creek seems to be way down this season.  Faith Cook is a great player.  She scored at least half of Goose Creek's points, but there doesnt seem to be much support from her teammates.

in the beginning this was about the golden triangle. i'm comparing a 6a powerhouse to nederland. i'm comparing classification to classification. there is no reason a 5a school from the GT to be getting smashed year in and year out. 6A is a little tougher, but still doable. maybe SETX need it's own championship lol. i find it funny that  it's the same teams in the hunt EVERY YEAR for a big title run and nobody around can get out the freaking 3rd most of the time. not the kids fault. and you of all people know what i mean. dean colbert and PAM. you was right there calling for this guys head. well that type of mentality is spreading. nobody wants to fix anything.

Ummm. . .  I think you have me confused with someone else.  I have no affiliation with  PAM and dont know who dean colbert is.  I think this response was meant for someone else.

 

However, to offer another more suitable comparison: Compare the success of the 6A/5A/4A teams that would be encompassed by a triangle drawn on a map connecting Tyler Longview and Lufkin.  By your standards schools in that area are failing as well because a think it has been two or three years since any of them got past round 4.

Pretty sure South Lake Carroll went to five or six in a row and won all but one of them

mighymouse:

 

The problem with your argument is that you are comparing regions that are not the same in area, population, number of schools, etc to one another.  You want to say that SETX football programs are failing because they arent as successful those of the San Antonio, Austin, and the Metroplex, but this is a false comparison.  A more fair comparison would be to compare the success of NETX (East of 59 and North of Newton.  Also, if your standard of success is only those schools that have made the state semis in the past four years, I'm afraid you will find few schools outside of the major populations centers and the perenial 1A level powers that meet those standards.  Bottom line your standards are unreasonably high given the limited are you are criticizing.

District 24 6A sweeps 23 6A in the first round of the playoffs.  On to 22 6A.  Its only Manvel, Pearland, Pearland Dawson and one game v. 21 6A North Shore.

 

No disrespect intended toward Pearland Dawson (there are no easy games in the 2nd round), but I think my Friendswood Mustangs literally have the luck of the draw in the next round.

Friendswood v. Dawson -- Saturday 2:30  Rice Stadium

Friendswood overcame  29 -15 deficit with 7:30 to go in the 4th quarter to send the game into overtime then scored a TD on the first possession in overtime and held Hightower on 4 downs inside the 15 to win the game.  Friendswood's D held the Hurricanes  on two fourth and shorts in the fourth quarter to set up scoring drives. Amazing game and a big win for Friendswood in its first 6A playoff game.

I dont know what the folks over at Dave Campbell's see in Pearland Dawson.  They have four losses -- George Ranch, Pearland (close), Manvel (blowout), Dobie (?) -- and not one signature win over a quality opponent.  On top of that Friendswood beat George Ranch the only common opponent.  I honestly dont see Dawson getting by LaPorte.

I dont know if anyone has mentioned this on the other thread about Scarborough, but to me a hidden negative is that some lucky team gets to play them -- a guaranteed playoff win -- while another team has to play a much tougher team with their entire season on the line.  The luck of regional seeding of the tournament guarantees one a win and one a contest.  It doesnt seem right somehow.

Barber's Hill girls looked really good tonight in our scrimmage.  Big, fast, quick to the basket, and can shoot.  Don't know what your district looks like, but my money is one you.  Good Luck.

Friendswood's offense goes straight shotgun 99.9% of the time.  The .1% is 3rd or 4th down and goal/ first down to go.  In that situation we do get under center and go every once in a while.  The down side is that if you are a shotgun team and you get under center in that situation the other team pretty much knows what you are going to do.

I think all of the things you are suggesting would make the blow out worse because most of them would stop the clock, are unlikely to work, and would make the winning coach mad.  Coaches who are blowing you out will usually play their subs at some point and run the football to eat clock and slow their own offense.  If you start pulling out trick plays and throwing hail mary's when you are clearly beaten the opposing coach might decide to play his starters and throw the ball as well.  Managing a blowout is an almost cooperative effort by both coaches.  The coach of the team that is winning big should stop trying to score (if you are running between the tackles and the other team still cant stop you there isnt a lot you can do, but otherwise) and in return the coach of the team that is losing doesnt try to trick or miracle his way to touchdowns to make his stat line look better.  If I'm getting blown out, I run my regular offense through the third quarter, then pull my starters in the 4th, and run the ball to kill the clock. 

Congrats Lumberton Raiders Seniors.  As the father of a senior myself (not at Lumberton) I know how much these games mean to the kids and how much pride those seniors must feel in the progress the program has made over the last few years. 

WEEK #10

 

PA Memorial
Channelview 1 
La Porte
Dayton 2
Nederland
Beaumont Ozen 3
Vidor
Port Neches-Groves
Silsbee 4
Cleveland 5 
Jasper 6
Diboll
Tarkington
Hamshire-Fannett 7
Hardin-Jefferson
Hardin
East Chambers 8
Kirbyville 9
Buna 10
Newton 11
Cushing
Shelbyville 12
West Sabine 13
Centerville 14
Lovelady 15

15

Mustangs lost to the Gators last night after putting up a valiant effort.  Mustang Defense held the Gators to about 280 and 17 points.  It was almost 10 points because the Mustang D stopped them on three consecutive plays from the 3 only giving up the decisive score on 4th and 2 from the 2.  Mustang offense moved the ball well and Do-It-All player Blake King (DB, KR, PR, WR, and Kicker) hit three field goals from 30 yards plus, but we were missing too much offense.  Tyler Page is still out and the Districts leading rusher Sam Longbotham missed the game with an injury as well.  Together they account for 19 touchdowns and almost 2000 rushing yards.  If we were completely healthy I dont think Dickinson would have won, but they have some serious speed on defense.  They close on the ball better than any team we have played.

1. North Shore 1
2. Channelview
3. Crosby  2
4. Humble
5. Port Neches-Groves 3
6. Goose Creek Memorial 4
7. Vidor
8. Bridge City
9. Jasper 5
10. Silsbee  6
11. Diboll  7
12. Tarkington
13. West Orange-Stark 8
14. Orangefield 9
15. Buna
16. Kirbyville 10
17. Warren
18. Woodville
19. Garrison  11
20. Deweyville 12
21. Newton  13
22. Shelbyville 14
23. Anderson-Shiro 15
24. Sabine Pass
25. Normangee 16

16

My Mustangs took a tough home loss last night.  Adjusting to life after Tyler Page is not going to be easy, but there were some good things last night despite the score.  But, you cant turn it over three times -- one pick returned to the 3, one fumble at midfield and one going in at the 18 -- against a talented, well coached team and expect to win.  We were soundly beaten.  Hopefully, we'll pull ourselves together before we play Dickinson next week.

Okay, you talked me into it. 

 

I have been on message boards a long time, but your attempt at divisiveness on this message board is one of the most poison tipped I have ever seen.  It shows that you have no love for the West Orange-Stark Mustangs but you really seek to sacrifice my beloved team for your own selfish ends.

 

Before I go further, an admission.  I never played a down of football at West Orange-Stark.  I was too small and too slow, thus I used the judgment that my entering the field with my much larger and faster friends would merely result in danger to myself.   But they were friends of mine no less and every Friday night for over 40 years I followed Mustang football.  While I know that will now make me a target in your world of hate, but I think that might give me a clearer perspective.  You see, in following the Mustangs, I have always cared about one thing, winning.  If the Mustangs put a W, by one or by fifty, I'm good.  And, unlike you, I have trusted the head coach, first McCarty, then Hooks and now Thompson, to put together a plan to do just that.  I have not had a care of who starts, who doesn't start, who is on varsity and who is not on varsity and so forth.  I do so because, unlike me and unlike Saturday morning quarterbacks like you, they have years of ACTUAL high school coaching experience.

 

Your chants of hypocrisy had me in thoughts ranging from "Me doth thinks she protests too loudly" to "Doctor, heal thyself" to the plain old fashion "pot calling the kettle black."  You see, I could care less who is the starting quarterback for the Mustangs on Friday night.  If it is Jack Dallas, fine.  If it is Will Johnson, fine.  I choose not to question the judgment of a coach who has been in the game for since before both you and I were born (BTW Coach Thompson, by that last sentence, I was not meaning to call you old, but hey, facts are facts).  But you use my choice to say that I am trying to hurt a kid's feelings and "protect" a coach.  Nothing is further from the truth.  If no one is "attacking" a coach, why should he need my protection, right?  Or are you now admitting that you have been involved in an attack campaign on Coach Thompson and are using Will as a pawn in the vehicle driving that attack?  You see, you are using my choice of deference as a vehicle to divide this team, seemingly along racial lines via your elegant use of "egalitarian."   You are correct, kids read this board, but that is not all.  parents read this board, too.  And you have used this forum in an effort not to galvanize support, but for attack and divisiveness.  You sir, have no support for the Mustangs and any of its players, including Will Johnson, who is from what I see is an outstanding athlete and from what I hear is an equally outstanding young man.  You merely come on here to push your twisted agenda.  You see, there are very fair minded people on this board, many who usually never agree me, who see what this really boils down to, YOU ARE THE HYPOCRITE!!!!

 

And then you extend your hypocrisy by coming onto a thread about what if anything, should happen to a Baytown area coach for posting a facebook post and a whiteboard picture and compare that to a coach using his discretion as to starting players as a matter of continuing your attack of said coach.  And I won't even take credit for exposing you, as you have done a pretty good job of that, yourself.

 

As one of the alleged hypocrites that you have tried to gun for, I remain,

 

Todd Broussard

Graduate, West Orange-Stark High School

Graduating Class of 1986.

 

I eagerly await your response as I am quite sure there will be one.  And to those who have attempted to stay on topic, I apologize for this brief stray from it.

 

Boom!

Ok Coach.  Thanks for the pep talk.  Here we go

 

Week #8

Beaumont West Brook 1
North Shore 2
PA Memorial
Crosby 3
New Caney
Vidor 4
Lumberton 5
Beaumont Central 6
Port Neches-Groves
Little Cypress-Mauriceville 7
Huffman-Hargrave 8
Splendora
Madisonville 9
Tarkington
Hardin-Jefferson 10
West Orange-Stark 11
Woodville 12

Hardin
Buna 13
Warren
Newton 14

Beckville
Anderson-Shiro 15
West Hardin
Evadale 16

16

Coach Comeaux:

 

I really appreciate all that you do to make this pick'em thing possible.  So, as  a sign of appreciation and as a gesture of respect I am not going to participate in the pick'em anymore this season.  Lets face it, I stink and there is no reason to make you keep counting my terrible picks.

 

Thanks again,

 

fwoodfan

I have no problem with the picture of the whiteboard drawing. That's pretty funny, and harmless. We used to have signs around school like "scalp the Indians", "kill the cats" or whatever. So yeah, who cares about the picture. The comment by the teacher/coach wouldn't bother me much if he wasn't a teacher/coach, or at least if it wasn't on facebook. I feel like there's a certain amount of professionalism and sportsmanship that coaches should be held to. It's one thing to say something like that to your own team, and as a player coaches might say something like that to us, which isn't a big deal (in the locker screaming "we kicked their ..., they're the worst team in town! now we're the best team in town! etc.), it's another thing completely when posted online where it could be read by hundreds of people and possibly spread to the media. It's an insult that is derogatory to a whole team of high school kids, who have now ALL been exposed to the putdown through the media, and that is the age group that this coach has been hired to promote and lift up, not degrade and embarrass. So on a whole, I don't think it's the biggest deal in the world, but if you're going to sign on to be a teacher and a coach, and at least theoretically devote a good part of your life to educating young people, you should provide a better example and make sure that you're not doing anything that might negatively affect the kids you're supposed to help.

All that having been said, to answer the question of "too far or oversensitive?", the correct answer is "yes."

 

I agree with everything in the post above.  The Facebook post because it was public and contained an explitive was unprofessional.

TX

That's what I thought. That's terrible news for us. We are a lot less explosive without him. D, receivers and senior qb will have to step up.