Dick Vitale

[quote name="baddog" post="1186766" timestamp="1330365734"] Uandme, you seem level headed. DV was the one who said Ozen was caught up in the moment, or spirits run high (or something to that effect) yet he is one of the first on here to condemn these girls and they assaulted no one. I will leave it at that. I got my message across....to some anyway. [/quote] I said NOTHING OF THE SORT...Please refrain from putting words in my mouth, for the sake of YOUR argument...stand on your own, and OWN your comments...I do...And I NEVER said ANYTHING about Ozen being caught up in any moment...I said IF they were taunting, THEY WERE WRONG TOO...Get it together, or leave it alone, sir.

[quote name="bullets13" post="1186823" timestamp="1330370202"] no, you also implied that Nederland fans were either ignorant or just plain stupid for wondering why they weren't favorites. [/quote] Did I say it? or did you make the assumption as to what I was thinking? There is a BIG difference there...

[quote name="vp32" post="1186776" timestamp="1330367005"] Dickie wanna make a lil wager with me again? You have my word that this time i won't be "shady" or try and get technical with you this time. [/quote] No. shady is as shady does. [quote author=bullets13 link=topic=96704.msg1186798#msg1186798 date=1330369048] Dickie, you're acting like Ozen is a much better team than Nederland.  I've seen nothing in the past 3 years to back that up.  Is Ozen capable of beating Nederland?  Obviously.  But are they so much better than Nederland?  Obviously not.  If they were, they wouldn't have finished behind them in district.  I personally have no problem with Ozen being the favorite in this game based on recent play and their last result against Nederland, but i do have a problem with you acting like nederland fans are being ridiculous for questioning it. [/quote] Never said they were a better team..I am saying that Nederland, although, well coached, and being co-champions of the district, I don't think they have enough in the tank to beat a more talented, hot Ozen team right now..just like I did 2 weeks ago.. ::)...Its kinda like making Indiana a favorite over Murray State, who is at the top of their conference and having a pretty good season...They are not the Indiana of years past, but at the end of the day, they are Indiana, and they are STILL....Murray State.

[quote name="LR2014" post="1186700" timestamp="1330360505"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96667.msg1186690#msg1186690 date=1330359330] [quote author=LR2014 link=topic=96667.msg1186629#msg1186629 date=1330355854] Hey DICK!!! Give it a rest! You abviously think pretty highly of yourself. It's also not a good thing to sit in judgement. What I can tell you and anyone else that is reading this thread, is this. I have witnessed the traveling Ozen circus. The "bow tie wearing" water boys, the actions of the assistant coach, the head coach coaching from the stands while the freshmen and jv are playing and so on.... The taunting during the games by the water boys that sit in the stands right behind the players bench amking fun of the opposing team's players. All the while, the head coach just looks back at them with amusement. So you want to talk about KARMA..... I said earlier in the season that I was proud of the fact we (20 4-A) had the number 1 team in state. I would have been proud for them to win the whole thing. My girls have played select with some of the girls from Ozen. I agree that the signs were not a good idea. I'm sure the BH coach will address it. I didnt see any sign of poor sportsmanship we BH beat us in the first round. Good LUCK BH! [/quote] Its obvious you're a kid in the Lumberton school system so I will excuse your lack of understanding...However, in your opening sentence you say that I must think pretty highly of myself, which had NOTHING to do with anything, then you say I am being "judgemental"....BUT you agree that the signs were not a good idea in the end of your rant... ??? ???...Note to LISD: get a hold of your students, and get them off of those computers and TEACH them...PLEASE.. ::)...Go back to class son, and out of that computer lab!! ;) [/quote] No Dick. Not a student here. If you read my post , I stated that my girls(daughters) have played with girls from Ozen. And yes, If I used the name of a well known college basketball analyst, one might get the impression that I thought highly of myself or expected people to respect my baskeball opinions. I do get it. I simply gave you examples of what I have witnessed this season.  [/quote] OK...You're good, then!  8)

[quote name="EAGLE07" post="1186684" timestamp="1330359046"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96667.msg1186495#msg1186495 date=1330319511] [quote author=bh146 link=topic=96667.msg1186042#msg1186042 date=1330262673] Here is a link to a few game photos by the Chronicle's Bob Levy.  Bob is one of the Houston area's best pro photographers. [url=[Hidden Content]] [/quote] Saw the BH girls holding the dry erase boards saying "bye bye Ozen"....CLASSLESS....I hope they go to Austin and get BLASTED, so I can watch those same girls cry afterwards! THATS HORRIBLE! >:( >:(...I am SHOCKED that no one else has said anything about this classless act on here.....AWFUL SPORTSMANSHIP...I really hope that get blown out Thursday... [/quote] Wow.....you got to be kidding....pleeeeeeeeeeeease....Maybe what you saw was a response to all the garbage from the day before....from players and parents... Guess you missed all that.  :o [/quote] So the trend of thought in BH is this: If the other team does it to you, its OK to be classless and do it right back to them...Not that you did your talking on the floor, already by winning the game, which is how good teams and programs are supposed to respond...thats not enough...Is that right? Great role models in Barbers Hill... ::)

[quote name="LR2014" post="1186629" timestamp="1330355854"] Hey DICK!!! Give it a rest! You abviously think pretty highly of yourself. It's also not a good thing to sit in judgement. What I can tell you and anyone else that is reading this thread, is this. I have witnessed the traveling Ozen circus. The "bow tie wearing" water boys, the actions of the assistant coach, the head coach coaching from the stands while the freshmen and jv are playing and so on.... The taunting during the games by the water boys that sit in the stands right behind the players bench amking fun of the opposing team's players. All the while, the head coach just looks back at them with amusement. So you want to talk about KARMA..... I said earlier in the season that I was proud of the fact we (20 4-A) had the number 1 team in state. I would have been proud for them to win the whole thing. My girls have played select with some of the girls from Ozen. I agree that the signs were not a good idea. I'm sure the BH coach will address it. I didnt see any sign of poor sportsmanship we BH beat us in the first round. Good LUCK BH! [/quote] Its obvious you're a kid in the Lumberton school system so I will excuse your lack of understanding...However, in your opening sentence you say that I must think pretty highly of myself, which had NOTHING to do with anything, then you say I am being "judgemental"....BUT you agree that the signs were not a good idea in the end of your rant... ??? ???...Note to LISD: get a hold of your students, and get them off of those computers and TEACH them...PLEASE.. ::)...Go back to class son, and out of that computer lab!! ;)

I am NOT!! >:(...OK, yes I am!! ;D...By the way, I got Kingwood Park in this one by 5! 8)

:o..cessation? You got it, buddy! No problem from me... 8)

[quote name="vp32" post="1186662" timestamp="1330357198"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1186653#msg1186653 date=1330356908] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96657.msg1186644#msg1186644 date=1330356411] Call it a miniature farm system if you like.  The fact is that in a place like HJ, there is a relatively small population from which to draw potential players and it is one way to get kids interested in the game.  Please don't be foolish enough to try to say/infer that the HJ/Silsbee/HF/Orangefield coach has an advantage on a Yates coach when it comes to selecting potential playing personnel. [/quote] The "selection" for the Yates coach begins when they hit the campus in the 9th grade...NOT as elementary aged kids, as it is in some rural areas...Little Dribblers, if ran correctly, gives a high school basketball program a really good advantage...There is no such entity in Houston...Kids can PLAY little dribblers, but the local coaches have NO CLUE as to where these kids live or where they will attend school...its an advantage, Nash...[/quote] Come on dickie i know your not that dumb. Are you seriously trying to say that if some kid that is 5'10 and in 7th grade and has been playing basketball since he was 5 he doesn't know which school he's going to? That ridiculous man. And last time i checked the little dribblers basketball program in hj wasn't reserved just for hj kids. Now if i am wrong correct me on it. So technically they don't know which school they will be going to. [/quote] In HOUSTON? No they don't! Thats what I am trying to tell you all on here...Could ANYONE that saw Nic Wise play with the Houston Hoops AAU program as a 5th grader (as I did) predict he would play at KINGWOOD? The FOUNDER of the Houston Hoops is a Kingwood guy, and didn't expect it! NO...You NEVER know where a kid will end up. [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96657.msg1186660#msg1186660 date=1330357108] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1186653#msg1186653 date=1330356908] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96657.msg1186644#msg1186644 date=1330356411] Call it a miniature farm system if you like.  The fact is that in a place like HJ, there is a relatively small population from which to draw potential players and it is one way to get kids interested in the game.  Please don't be foolish enough to try to say/infer that the HJ/Silsbee/HF/Orangefield coach has an advantage on a Yates coach when it comes to selecting potential playing personnel. [/quote] The "selection" for the Yates coach begins when they hit the campus in the 9th grade...NOT as elementary aged kids, as it is in some rural areas...Little Dribblers, if ran correctly, gives a high school basketball program a really good advantage...There is no such entity in Houston...Kids can PLAY little dribblers, but the local coaches have NO CLUE as to where these kids live or where they will attend school...its an advantage, Nash... [quote author=ABSENT! link=topic=96657.msg1186647#msg1186647 date=1330356591] Nick Wise does not have to recruit... His record says it all... He has been a winner in Houston and everybody knows it.  If you have a kid thatg is focussed on BBALL and is strong enough to avoid peer issues and succed in the classroom.... I would send mine there too!  Now if my kid ias a weak minded follower, he goes to Pearland! [/quote] No, NIC Wise does not...(Thats Greg's son) ;D ;D...But Greg does not either, you're correct! 8) [/quote] Go ahead and tell me that you would prefer to reside in an area where probably 10 kids out of 200 stay with the little dribblers program long enough to play at the high school level(whether they have any ability or not) vs a place where you dont see the kids until the 9th grade (but they have been playing under other coaches until then) but you get to choose from several hundred. [/quote] Several HUNDRED?...Thats a fallacy about Houston....although it very well MAY be several hundred kids, there are also MORE than a 100 schools to choose from as well, so for each program, that number gets smaller and smaller....Its not what some of you think it is in Houston.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1186654" timestamp="1330356963"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96634.msg1186636#msg1186636 date=1330356084] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96634.msg1186623#msg1186623 date=1330355622] Of course, at this point, we are ASSUMING that your perspective is 100% accurate and covers all that happened there.  Dicky, I know how much you know your basketball, but I have a strong gut feeling that you may not be in the know on this situation as much as you think you are.  I say that because the Lamar President is a good friend of mine and you would be surprised how different he explains things as compared to how they come out from people in the know. [/quote] At Texas Southern? I don't profess to know EVERYTHING about that situation, but Ronnie, just like Greg Wise are close to our family and another mentee of my father, and mentor of mine..I was coaching at Prairie View A&M during that time, so I had a good idea as to what was going on at Texas Southern...we talk! If I am not 100% "in the know", I sure am about 98.9% there... ???....not sure what your president bud has to say, but I know, what I know about that situation. [/quote] You always "know what you know".  The problem is that you sincerely believe that your "knowledge" is always superior to that of everyone else and I am sorry, that just isnt the case.  It never has been and never will be and you would be well served to adjust your theory in that respect.  There have been two Lamar coaches that were close personal friends of mine, but I learned over time that the fact that they were good friends did not make them as pure as the wind driven snow. [/quote] Apparently I am missing what you are getting at..You asked me about what happened with Coach Courtney since he left Willowridge...I answered...then you say there is MORE? Well, if you KNOW more, why ask ME? ???...I don't understand...another teaching moment, perhaps...I am never beyond that, you know... ;)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1186644" timestamp="1330356411"] Call it a miniature farm system if you like.  The fact is that in a place like HJ, there is a relatively small population from which to draw potential players and it is one way to get kids interested in the game.  Please don't be foolish enough to try to say/infer that the HJ/Silsbee/HF/Orangefield coach has an advantage on a Yates coach when it comes to selecting potential playing personnel. [/quote] The "selection" for the Yates coach begins when they hit the campus in the 9th grade...NOT as elementary aged kids, as it is in some rural areas...Little Dribblers, if ran correctly, gives a high school basketball program a really good advantage...There is no such entity in Houston...Kids can PLAY little dribblers, but the local coaches have NO CLUE as to where these kids live or where they will attend school...its an advantage, Nash... [quote author=ABSENT! link=topic=96657.msg1186647#msg1186647 date=1330356591] Nick Wise does not have to recruit... His record says it all... He has been a winner in Houston and everybody knows it.  If you have a kid thatg is focussed on BBALL and is strong enough to avoid peer issues and succed in the classroom.... I would send mine there too!  Now if my kid ias a weak minded follower, he goes to Pearland! [/quote] No, NIC Wise does not...(Thats Greg's son) ;D ;D...But Greg does not either, you're correct! 8)

[quote name="ABSENT!" post="1186641" timestamp="1330356226"] SO DV????? aint this the Ned vs. Mag thread... Statrt a TX Souther and Ronnie thread with Nash and Bulldog on the college board! [/quote] Not YOU TOO!! I was ASKED about that situation and I answered...what do you want me to do? :o :D

[quote name="stevenash" post="1186628" timestamp="1330355851"] The kid who is, today, in the 4th grade little dribblers program, likely will not be coached at the high school by the coach who is there now.  The Little Dribblers program is normally located in relatively small towns where kids participate in all sports, thus diluting your theory. [/quote] Call it what you like...I know a miniature "farm system" when I see one! 8)...No pun intended, of course! ;D

[quote name="stevenash" post="1186623" timestamp="1330355622"] Of course, at this point, we are ASSUMING that your perspective is 100% accurate and covers all that happened there.  Dicky, I know how much you know your basketball, but I have a strong gut feeling that you may not be in the know on this situation as much as you think you are.  I say that because the Lamar President is a good friend of mine and you would be surprised how different he explains things as compared to how they come out from people in the know. [/quote] At Texas Southern? I don't profess to know EVERYTHING about that situation, but Ronnie, just like Greg Wise are close to our family and another mentee of my father, and mentor of mine..I was coaching at Prairie View A&M during that time, so I had a good idea as to what was going on at Texas Southern...we talk! If I am not 100% "in the know", I sure am about 98.9% there... ???....not sure what your president bud has to say, but I know, what I know about that situation.

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1186615" timestamp="1330355216"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1186598#msg1186598 date=1330354452] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96657.msg1186595#msg1186595 date=1330354180] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1186591#msg1186591 date=1330353877] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96657.msg1186553#msg1186553 date=1330350873] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=96657.msg1186501#msg1186501 date=1330321431] Now with saying that, I can see where Wise's involvement in AAU could lead speculation that he has a way of recruiting through said involvement.  But maybe it just gives these kids and  their parents a chance to see him in action and therefore decide to transfer to Yates. [/quote] Bingo! We have a winner! Exactly what BD3 said a few months ago. Not sure where he has gone lately, but he brought this up about another coach. Don't remember who it was, but basically saying that by exposing kids to AAU ball, one recruits others to that program, whether intentionally are not. [/quote] EVERY coach can coach AAU...Its used to be against the rules, but that has changed...Its not illegal..I don't like it either, but, thats just the way it is...Its not recruiting, however. [/quote] I agree that it's not a traditional way of recruiting, but do you not see how it could be a dress rehearsal for other kids to see? It may not be directly recruiting, but it is a non-traditional form of recruiting, no? When one sees Duke (not comparing anyone  ::) ) on TV, do you think a HS kid might be more influenced to pick that school over another (NC State) who is not on TV as much? [/quote] Yes I can agree with that...But, do you realize how many kids are LOST by attending the "suburban" schools? I think it balances out, really...But to say that Coach Wise is recruiting is just wrong...He has made his program attractive by winning, and thats ok...and legal..kinda like being involved in little dribblers...right? ;) [/quote] By winning and getting city-wide (heck National) attention, the Yates program indirectly recruits kids to attend their school, just like my example regarding Duke and NC State. Can a Little Dribbler's program indirectly recruit a kid to attend a different school, yes but on a much smaller scale. Little Dribbler's is not getting National coverage anywhere, right? That's what Wise is doing as well. By coaching an AAU team (I know the rules, not his own players), others can see what he's doing and say, "I want to play for Yates". He IS doing that, and it's an indirect method of recruiting, IMO. [/quote] EVEN if it IS "indirect", its not ILLEGAL...Little Dribblers is RAISING KIDS TO EAT, SLEEP, AND BREATHE your program from the time they are small kids...I would call that a huge advantage for any program. Those kids know your entire coaching staff from the time they are 5, 6, 7 years old....Most others in Houston and Beaumont particularly do not get to know their coach until they reach 9th grade...in MOST cases....Its an advantage.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1186609" timestamp="1330355082"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96634.msg1186602#msg1186602 date=1330354855] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96634.msg1186588#msg1186588 date=1330353778] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96634.msg1186587#msg1186587 date=1330353698] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96634.msg1186581#msg1186581 date=1330353104] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96634.msg1186580#msg1186580 date=1330353039] [quote author=DOGS1988 link=topic=96634.msg1186575#msg1186575 date=1330352737] I am curious.....what size fanbase does Yates have in attendance at their games? [/quote] Around 5,000 per game if they can get in the venue...Of course in Houston, the fan base is cyclical...They will follow the best team year in and year out, but Yates has a pretty good following anyway...It used to be Willowridge like that in their day, but it has clearly shifted. [/quote] Why has Willowridge been unable to maintain their dominance like Yates has? [/quote] Because of TWO reasons...Ronnie Courtney (now the head coach at FB Bush) took the Texas Southern job, and they built Marshall, which greatly pulled from Willowridge's feeder pattern initially...They used to be the LARGEST school in Ft. Bend, attendance wise, now they are the smallest...Side Note: Ronnie Courtney won ANOTHER state title at FB Bush in 2010....ANOTHER coincidence, huh? 8) [/quote] How did Mr. Courtney do at Texas Southern? [/quote] Well lets see, he won the league and made two NCAA tourney appearances...more than any Lamar coach in the last 12 years, huh? ::)...They had some problems recruiting after the academic scandals and issues with the president at Texas Southern during that time, and it hurt the program, ultimately costing him his job there...he immediately rebounded, landed at FB Bush, and won another 5A State Title, while building another solid HS program there...why? [/quote] If his performance at Texas Southern was that great, there should have been a bunch of other d-1s knocking at his door.  I have a hunch you might very well be minimizing some of the issues you mentioned and possibly even omitted some? [/quote] The fact that he and the AD did not see eye to eye? That happens...The AD even CUT his budget at one point, sabotaging his program...I didnt go into all of that because it wasn't relevent to the conversation.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1186604" timestamp="1330354966"] Nope- Little Dribblers is a LOCAL development program that simply allows mostly amateur coaches to work with kids who are growing up in your locale. [/quote] Brought up...RAISED, eating, breathing, and sleeping Hardin Jefferson basketball...ADVANTAGE HJ  8)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1186588" timestamp="1330353778"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96634.msg1186587#msg1186587 date=1330353698] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96634.msg1186581#msg1186581 date=1330353104] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96634.msg1186580#msg1186580 date=1330353039] [quote author=DOGS1988 link=topic=96634.msg1186575#msg1186575 date=1330352737] I am curious.....what size fanbase does Yates have in attendance at their games? [/quote] Around 5,000 per game if they can get in the venue...Of course in Houston, the fan base is cyclical...They will follow the best team year in and year out, but Yates has a pretty good following anyway...It used to be Willowridge like that in their day, but it has clearly shifted. [/quote] Why has Willowridge been unable to maintain their dominance like Yates has? [/quote] Because of TWO reasons...Ronnie Courtney (now the head coach at FB Bush) took the Texas Southern job, and they built Marshall, which greatly pulled from Willowridge's feeder pattern initially...They used to be the LARGEST school in Ft. Bend, attendance wise, now they are the smallest...Side Note: Ronnie Courtney won ANOTHER state title at FB Bush in 2010....ANOTHER coincidence, huh? 8) [/quote] How did Mr. Courtney do at Texas Southern? [/quote] Well lets see, he won the league and made two NCAA tourney appearances...more than any Lamar coach in the last 12 years, huh? ::)...They had some problems recruiting after the academic scandals and issues with the president at Texas Southern during that time, and it hurt the program, ultimately costing him his job there...he immediately rebounded, landed at FB Bush, and won another 5A State Title, while building another solid HS program there...why?

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1186595" timestamp="1330354180"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96657.msg1186591#msg1186591 date=1330353877] [quote author=NB-Dawg link=topic=96657.msg1186553#msg1186553 date=1330350873] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=96657.msg1186501#msg1186501 date=1330321431] Now with saying that, I can see where Wise's involvement in AAU could lead speculation that he has a way of recruiting through said involvement.  But maybe it just gives these kids and  their parents a chance to see him in action and therefore decide to transfer to Yates. [/quote] Bingo! We have a winner! Exactly what BD3 said a few months ago. Not sure where he has gone lately, but he brought this up about another coach. Don't remember who it was, but basically saying that by exposing kids to AAU ball, one recruits others to that program, whether intentionally are not. [/quote] EVERY coach can coach AAU...Its used to be against the rules, but that has changed...Its not illegal..I don't like it either, but, thats just the way it is...Its not recruiting, however. [/quote] I agree that it's not a traditional way of recruiting, but do you not see how it could be a dress rehearsal for other kids to see? It may not be directly recruiting, but it is a non-traditional form of recruiting, no? When one sees Duke (not comparing anyone  ::) ) on TV, do you think a HS kid might be more influenced to pick that school over another (NC State) who is not on TV as much? [/quote] Yes I can agree with that...But, do you realize how many kids are LOST by attending the "suburban" schools? I think it balances out, really...But to say that Coach Wise is recruiting is just wrong...He has made his program attractive by winning, and thats ok...and legal..kinda like being involved in little dribblers...right? ;)

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1186553" timestamp="1330350873"] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=96657.msg1186501#msg1186501 date=1330321431] Now with saying that, I can see where Wise's involvement in AAU could lead speculation that he has a way of recruiting through said involvement.  But maybe it just gives these kids and  their parents a chance to see him in action and therefore decide to transfer to Yates. [/quote] Bingo! We have a winner! Exactly what BD3 said a few months ago. Not sure where he has gone lately, but he brought this up about another coach. Don't remember who it was, but basically saying that by exposing kids to AAU ball, one recruits others to that program, whether intentionally are not. [/quote] EVERY coach can coach AAU...Its used to be against the rules, but that has changed...Its not illegal..I don't like it either, but, thats just the way it is...Its not recruiting, however.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1186581" timestamp="1330353104"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96634.msg1186580#msg1186580 date=1330353039] [quote author=DOGS1988 link=topic=96634.msg1186575#msg1186575 date=1330352737] I am curious.....what size fanbase does Yates have in attendance at their games? [/quote] Around 5,000 per game if they can get in the venue...Of course in Houston, the fan base is cyclical...They will follow the best team year in and year out, but Yates has a pretty good following anyway...It used to be Willowridge like that in their day, but it has clearly shifted. [/quote] Why has Willowridge been unable to maintain their dominance like Yates has? [/quote] Because of TWO reasons...Ronnie Courtney (now the head coach at FB Bush) took the Texas Southern job, and they built Marshall, which greatly pulled from Willowridge's feeder pattern initially...They used to be the LARGEST school in Ft. Bend, attendance wise, now they are the smallest...Side Note: Ronnie Courtney won ANOTHER state title at FB Bush in 2010....ANOTHER coincidence, huh? 8)

[quote name="HillGuy" post="1186577" timestamp="1330352975"] [quote author=RIP09 link=topic=96667.msg1186537#msg1186537 date=1330349452] So was it classless for the Ozen players to be talking trash to some of the BH fans the night before during the game against Clear Falls? Talking about how BH was next? Maybe but obviously not very smart. Or is it classless to walk off the court before the winning team is announced after the game? I think that's more classless myself but would have never mentioned it before you 2 idiots spoke up. Teenagers don't always make good decisions but you can't always control what they do. Don't get on here bashing the BH girls when you don't know them and you obviously don't pay attention to what your own girls are doing. It amazes me that people will turn their heads to what their own kids are doing but bash someone else for doing something similar. I don't like any of the trash talking myself but if your gonna talk it you better expect a little in return! [/quote] Thanks RIP...I knew all about this (HEARD the comments myself from the Ozen players the night before) and also that they walked off the floor during the trophy presentation, and at least two unnamed players would not shake hands, and a coach told our players in during handshake "ya'll aint gonna win nothin at state", and the completey inappropriate, moronic behavior of the assistant coach during games going all the way back to FALL LEAGUE... BUT...I chose to take high road and just give congratulations ... Thanks to DICK, now I feel the need to set the record fully straight and its no wonder that that our girls showed their emotions after the taunting from the night before... [/quote] I can see the NUTS do not fall far from the trees in Barbers Hill.... ::) ::) I was NOT in attendance, so as far as what Ozen girls did, I don't know...If they DID taunt them, it was just as wrong...I SAW the BH girls holding up the signs...If it is not addressed, then shame on your community...If it is, kudos to you...Good luck in Austin. And remember, Karma is real..what goes around....will eventually come right back around...remember that...life lesson.

[quote name="DOGS1988" post="1186575" timestamp="1330352737"] I am curious.....what size fanbase does Yates have in attendance at their games? [/quote] Around 5,000 per game if they can get in the venue...Of course in Houston, the fan base is cyclical...They will follow the best team year in and year out, but Yates has a pretty good following anyway...It used to be Willowridge like that in their day, but it has clearly shifted.

Thats just the truth of the matter...Kids need to be taught to do the right thing at all times...THIS was CLEARLY wrong, and is a true TEACHING moment...No excuses.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1186556" timestamp="1330351044"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96704.msg1186534#msg1186534 date=1330349163] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=96704.msg1186507#msg1186507 date=1330338569] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=96704.msg1186481#msg1186481 date=1330317015] It's NEDERLAND....at the end of the day... 8) [/quote] Well, as you say, "it's Nederland" and since it is "Nederland at the end of the day", I am in total shock that you haven't jumped ALL OVER my financial offer since the outcome is seemingly cut and dried. [/quote] I gotcha Nash......that bet is fine with me...I was pre occupied with all of the ridiculous statements made my the Nederland contingent, thinking for some reason they should be the "favorite" in their game against Ozen.... ::)....and had the AUDACITY to be mad about it! Ridiculous... 8) [/quote] Dicky- just for the sake of confirmation:  Our new bet (which replaces the original one) will consist of me taking Nederland plus 5 points and me giving you 5-1 odds by betting $100 against $20.  Is that the way you understand it? ( you know I will pay promptly if I lose) [/quote] I understand...I have no clue why you are so confident that Nederland will take this one, but...OK... ::) ::) 8) [quote author=uandme08 link=topic=96704.msg1186550#msg1186550 date=1330350664] [quote author=5gallonbucket link=topic=96704.msg1186526#msg1186526 date=1330347736] oh my word.....[b]you nederland and ozen fans are ridiculous[/b].....  Who cares whose favored....  just go out and win the game. truth be told i have ties to nederland and i would like to see them win this game, but right now Ozen is playing better ball and have beat better opponents in the playoffs so yes Ozen should be favored.....get over it. learn to cut your emotional ties from 'your' team and then you ll see the truth [/quote] No sir! You hardly ever find any Ozen fan on this forum talking noise, heck there are hardly any Ozen fans on this site. Not sure who Dickie V is a fan of since he criticizes all teams although at times it's quite obvious who he is not a fan of and that's his right. I have ties to Ozen (and honestly didn't feel that we'd be in the 3rd round but here we are DARN IT) but I like being the underdog just like we were in football. As soon as something is said in non-support of certain teams on this site all heck breaks loose.  Good luck to each and every school still representing this area! [/quote] I am not a "fan" of ANY team, but I have a tie to Ozen as well...As a matter of fact I am the guy in the tan suit on that giant 2001 state championship photo in the foyer at the Ozen gym.. ;)....I just tell it like it is, but a lot of the guys on here don't really want me to do that....I don't dislike any team on here at all, really, I just call it as I see it!  8)