Dick Vitale

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1197809" timestamp="1331849664"] Has nothing to do with this season, last season, or next season. U asked a question to RockinA, and I simply gave my opinion. As usual, since I've only been around bball for 37 years, my opinion is not 'THE TRUTH'-although at least 10 other people on this board have said the exact same thing... [/quote] Your opinion matters...its just that sometimes you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about... 8)...Seriously, I don't discredit anyone's opinion on here, I just have issue with you guys wanting to dissect what I say, because of HOW you PERCEIVE I say it...I have been around the game for some time now, as well, and not just a casual fan either...You guys will NEVER give me credit (other than stevenash) for knowing this game the way I do, and thats OK...You don't have to...Thats because you really don't know me, because if you did, you would know where I am coming from when I speak (or type) on the game.  Don't worry, when I land on a staff again this spring, I will no longer comment on here, so you guys will be able to debate to your hearts content without ole DV putting his 2 cents in! (although most of the time I am ASKED to do it) :D..... By the way..........Magic was better! :P 8)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1197803" timestamp="1331848974"] Magic vs Bird- Since you have done what you have done, that makes your statement to be definite and without question?  Sorry it doesnt work that way.  As stated earlier, both had 3 league MVPs and Bird was rookie of the year the year that they BOTH entered the NBA.  So obviously, others perceived Bird as being as good as Magic.  It is simply NOT cut and dried because you think so.  There are other opinions with very valid reasons behind them and yes, believe it or not, they count also.  Other backgrounds aside from yours can make someone competent in the basketball field.  There happens to be one from "my background" who, without a doubt, knows everything you know about the game and has a track record that documents same.  .  Brad Stevens got to his position quite differently than Roy Williams got to his, but I'll bet you a dollar to a dime his opinion is equally worthy and credible. [/quote] No, they are BOTH valid opinions...I agree with you...I do not know why this Nederland guy, NB-Dawg keeps stepping in and stating otherwise...Wait..I know why....Let it go, man....The season is long over... ;)

[quote name="NB-Dawg" post="1197800" timestamp="1331848402"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197798#msg1197798 date=1331847514] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97596.msg1197794#msg1197794 date=1331846707] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197760#msg1197760 date=1331841165] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97596.msg1197756#msg1197756 date=1331840733] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197746#msg1197746 date=1331839873] [quote author=Rockin A link=topic=97596.msg1197735#msg1197735 date=1331838649] Majic or Magic? Magic & Bird are about as equal as two stars can be.  I'll admit I'm biased, and as such, Bird would be the focus of my team.  I'd take a quiet leader over a flashy one any day.  P.S.  Who is this "Majic" the former assistant coach keeps referring to? [/quote] Auto correct on my cell phone...it is MAGIC....The "former assistant coach" has forgotten more basketball than most of you know...think about that one for a moment..... Once again I don't know HOW this became about ME again, but it is only one man's HUMBLE opinion. [/quote] I suspect you are underestimating the basketball credentials of a number of posters on here (me NOT included) and, as a result, that corridor between your knowledge and theirs may very well not be as wide as you believe it is.  I am curious about this oxymoron- " Has forgotten more basketball than most of you know" vs " one man's HUMBLE opinion" [/quote] Pure SARCASM....The HUMBLE opinion part....I know what I know, Nash...Not going to back down about that... [/quote] Don't expect you to back down.  Do expect you to understand (and this is where you are a little Naive) that there are lots of opinions out there and a sufficient number of them are valid ( the question then becomes "valid in whose eyes". This is where you create the impression that you believe only your eyes matter)  You know basketball but you ARE NOT, under any circumstance, the last word on it.  There are a million ways to skin a cat, and your way is simply one of them. [/quote] Indeed, but understand this...Knowing basketball or not, I do value others' opinion, but for some reason mine is always highly scrutinized due to the nature in which I say it...Some who do not know basketball would say that because Ralph Sampson was one of the most dominant college players in the game, it would equate to NBA greatness...I say no, because I KNOW better..AND I know WHY as well...People can't always relate, and thats fine, but my thing is, don't knock me because I CAN...As far as the Magic/Bird debate goes, I hold firm that Magic was a better athlete, and a better basketball player, though some may disagree...AND I still KNOW that Larry Bird was one of the best to ever do it. [/quote] Sampson actually had a good career going before injuries sidelined him. Averaging about 20 ppg/12 rpg/2 bpg during his 1st 3 years. So u knew he was going to have injury issues?  ??? [/quote] I was saying that I KNEW WHY...Stop trying so hard to disprove or discredit what I am saying...Some people.... ::) ::)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1197794" timestamp="1331846707"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197760#msg1197760 date=1331841165] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97596.msg1197756#msg1197756 date=1331840733] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197746#msg1197746 date=1331839873] [quote author=Rockin A link=topic=97596.msg1197735#msg1197735 date=1331838649] Majic or Magic? Magic & Bird are about as equal as two stars can be.  I'll admit I'm biased, and as such, Bird would be the focus of my team.  I'd take a quiet leader over a flashy one any day.  P.S.  Who is this "Majic" the former assistant coach keeps referring to? [/quote] Auto correct on my cell phone...it is MAGIC....The "former assistant coach" has forgotten more basketball than most of you know...think about that one for a moment..... Once again I don't know HOW this became about ME again, but it is only one man's HUMBLE opinion. [/quote] I suspect you are underestimating the basketball credentials of a number of posters on here (me NOT included) and, as a result, that corridor between your knowledge and theirs may very well not be as wide as you believe it is.  I am curious about this oxymoron- " Has forgotten more basketball than most of you know" vs " one man's HUMBLE opinion" [/quote] Pure SARCASM....The HUMBLE opinion part....I know what I know, Nash...Not going to back down about that... [/quote] Don't expect you to back down.  Do expect you to understand (and this is where you are a little Naive) that there are lots of opinions out there and a sufficient number of them are valid ( the question then becomes "valid in whose eyes". This is where you create the impression that you believe only your eyes matter)  You know basketball but you ARE NOT, under any circumstance, the last word on it.  There are a million ways to skin a cat, and your way is simply one of them. [/quote] Indeed, but understand this...Knowing basketball or not, I do value others' opinion, but for some reason mine is always highly scrutinized due to the nature in which I say it...Some who do not know basketball would say that because Ralph Sampson was one of the most dominant college players in the game, it would equate to NBA greatness...I say no, because I KNOW better..AND I know WHY as well...People can't always relate, and thats fine, but my thing is, don't knock me because I CAN...As far as the Magic/Bird debate goes, I hold firm that Magic was a better athlete, and a better basketball player, though some may disagree...AND I still KNOW that Larry Bird was one of the best to ever do it.

Coached (high school and college) played, and have been around and in and out of gymnasiums for longer than most on here...yeah..I'm THAT guy...However, I am not "talking down" on anyone on here! My OPINION is that Magic was better than Bird...What in the world is wrong with THAT? No, you do NOT have to be a coach to have basketball knowledge, but to question MY intellect as it pertains to it, just does not make much sense.  I know what I know...WHY do you folks on here want me to just back down when it comes to what I KNOW? My opinion holds no more weight than the next man, but MINE IS based on years of experience...Hands on, and sideline...You can't just discount that.  Arrogant? No...I just know what I know, and some of you just don't know what you really don't know..SOME OF YOU...NOT ALL.  Not just about THIS topic either...I see some of the most RIDICULOUS comments in the world on here...Its downright laughable at times.  I just try to help educate when I can.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1197756" timestamp="1331840733"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197746#msg1197746 date=1331839873] [quote author=Rockin A link=topic=97596.msg1197735#msg1197735 date=1331838649] Majic or Magic? Magic & Bird are about as equal as two stars can be.  I'll admit I'm biased, and as such, Bird would be the focus of my team.  I'd take a quiet leader over a flashy one any day.  P.S.  Who is this "Majic" the former assistant coach keeps referring to? [/quote] Auto correct on my cell phone...it is MAGIC....The "former assistant coach" has forgotten more basketball than most of you know...think about that one for a moment..... Once again I don't know HOW this became about ME again, but it is only one man's HUMBLE opinion. [/quote] I suspect you are underestimating the basketball credentials of a number of posters on here (me NOT included) and, as a result, that corridor between your knowledge and theirs may very well not be as wide as you believe it is.  I am curious about this oxymoron- " Has forgotten more basketball than most of you know" vs " one man's HUMBLE opinion" [/quote] Pure SARCASM....The HUMBLE opinion part....I know what I know, Nash...Not going to back down about that...

[quote name="Rockin A" post="1197735" timestamp="1331838649"] Majic or Magic? Magic & Bird are about as equal as two stars can be.  I'll admit I'm biased, and as such, Bird would be the focus of my team.  I'd take a quiet leader over a flashy one any day.  P.S.  Who is this "Majic" the former assistant coach keeps referring to? [/quote] Auto correct on my cell phone...it is MAGIC....The "former assistant coach" has forgotten more basketball than most of you know...think about that one for a moment..... Once again I don't know HOW this became about ME again, but it is only one man's HUMBLE opinion.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1197722" timestamp="1331837007"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197716#msg1197716 date=1331836592] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97596.msg1197705#msg1197705 date=1331835255] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197697#msg1197697 date=1331833974] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97596.msg1197684#msg1197684 date=1331832444] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197650#msg1197650 date=1331828286] The thing is, I actually AGREE with you on the topic...Last night Vermont was the better basketball team, which emcompasses a lot of those attributes, however, intellectual or not, they will get HAMMERED on Friday when they face a more talented North Carolina team...Its just that simple....Do you not think that the UNC players have a certain amount of basketball IQ to go along with that ability? I would BET that they do. And by the way...as "intellectual" as Larry Bird was, he was not as good as Magic, and not even close to MJ...BUT he was still a great player...There is always going to be a difference when athleticism comes into play. [/quote] When you get to the North Carolinas, Dukes, Mich States, etc there is plenty of athletecism and intellect.  I will respectfully disagree with you on Bird/Magic. [/quote] So was Magic not as intellectual as Bird? Because he was definitely more athletic....Magic played 5 positions...won more championships (both played on storied franchises)...and was SURGICAL with the basketball...Magic was better..beat him on both college and pro levels...Although Bird was STILL a Legend in my estimation...What about MJ? Do You agree with that one? [/quote] Beat him on the college level?  Give me a break.  We both know there was quite a difference in the supporting casts.  Jordan better than both.  The number of positions played has nothing to do with what we are discussing, so drop that one although I saw Larry bring the ball down the court many a time and would take him vs Magic in the post position any day of the week. [/quote] How else do we compare the two? wins and losses...Magic was better on that page as well..Come on Nash, you cannot be THAT biased...You can acknowledge that MJ is better, but not Majic? I am saying that Bird was a GREAT player, but Majic was better....Ask ANY person that knows basketball who they would start a team with Bird or Majic...I am sure the vast unbiased majority would say Majic Johnson...its pretty obvious. [/quote] If you are going the wins/losses/championships route as the criteria, then Bill Russell, unequivocally, is the best player ever.  What does "THAT BIASED" mean?  Is this going to become a racial issue as well? [/quote] NO, it just meant that you are obviously a Larry Bird fan...THAT is the biased that I am referencing....Come on Nash... ::)...Robert Horry won more than Charles Barkley too, but it doesn't make him better either...I was just talking head to head competetion in the Bird/Magic example....we all know who the better player is Nash....Magic... ::)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1197705" timestamp="1331835255"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197697#msg1197697 date=1331833974] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97596.msg1197684#msg1197684 date=1331832444] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197650#msg1197650 date=1331828286] The thing is, I actually AGREE with you on the topic...Last night Vermont was the better basketball team, which emcompasses a lot of those attributes, however, intellectual or not, they will get HAMMERED on Friday when they face a more talented North Carolina team...Its just that simple....Do you not think that the UNC players have a certain amount of basketball IQ to go along with that ability? I would BET that they do. And by the way...as "intellectual" as Larry Bird was, he was not as good as Magic, and not even close to MJ...BUT he was still a great player...There is always going to be a difference when athleticism comes into play. [/quote] When you get to the North Carolinas, Dukes, Mich States, etc there is plenty of athletecism and intellect.  I will respectfully disagree with you on Bird/Magic. [/quote] So was Magic not as intellectual as Bird? Because he was definitely more athletic....Magic played 5 positions...won more championships (both played on storied franchises)...and was SURGICAL with the basketball...Magic was better..beat him on both college and pro levels...Although Bird was STILL a Legend in my estimation...What about MJ? Do You agree with that one? [/quote] Beat him on the college level?  Give me a break.  We both know there was quite a difference in the supporting casts.  Jordan better than both.  The number of positions played has nothing to do with what we are discussing, so drop that one although I saw Larry bring the ball down the court many a time and would take him vs Magic in the post position any day of the week. [/quote] How else do we compare the two? wins and losses...Magic was better on that page as well..Come on Nash, you cannot be THAT biased...You can acknowledge that MJ is better, but not Magic? I am saying that Bird was a GREAT player, but Majic was better....Ask ANY person that knows basketball who they would start a team with Bird or Magic...I am sure the vast unbiased majority would say Magic Johnson...its pretty obvious.

[quote name="east texas bb" post="1197698" timestamp="1331834179"] Vermont beats Lamar 9 times out of 10 or maybe even 10.  They ran much better sets and played much better defense.  Lamar played too much 1 on 1 (aka real basketball)  and their defense was poor at best, or at least Vermont made it look very poor.  Will they get beat by NC, more than likely yes, because NC has both. Your only argument against Larry Bird is Magic and Michael Jordan?  Three of the top players of all time.   [/quote] The title of the topic is athleticism vs. intellect....The Bird/Jordan references THAT....Jordan had BOTH and so did Magic....Bird is DEFINITELY one of the top five of all time, while being a "smart" basketball player...But being 6'9, a gifted shooter, and one of the toughest SOB's to ever come out of French Lick, Indiana didn't hurt his case either... ;)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1197684" timestamp="1331832444"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197650#msg1197650 date=1331828286] The thing is, I actually AGREE with you on the topic...Last night Vermont was the better basketball team, which emcompasses a lot of those attributes, however, intellectual or not, they will get HAMMERED on Friday when they face a more talented North Carolina team...Its just that simple....Do you not think that the UNC players have a certain amount of basketball IQ to go along with that ability? I would BET that they do. And by the way...as "intellectual" as Larry Bird was, he was not as good as Magic, and not even close to MJ...BUT he was still a great player...There is always going to be a difference when athleticism comes into play. [/quote] When you get to the North Carolinas, Dukes, Mich States, etc there is plenty of athletecism and intellect.  I will respectfully disagree with you on Bird/Magic. [/quote] So was Magic not as intellectual as Bird? Because he was definitely more athletic....Magic played 5 positions...won more championships (both played on storied franchises)...and was SURGICAL with the basketball...Magic was better..beat him on both college and pro levels...Although Bird was STILL a Legend in my estimation...What about MJ? Do You agree with that one?

[quote name="Rockin A" post="1197657" timestamp="1331829061"] Since the former assistant coach said it, Nash, I guess it must be true.  [/quote] Its true no matter WHO says it... ::)

The thing is, I actually AGREE with you on the topic...Last night Vermont was the better basketball team, which emcompasses a lot of those attributes, however, intellectual or not, they will get HAMMERED on Friday when they face a more talented North Carolina team...Its just that simple....Do you not think that the UNC players have a certain amount of basketball IQ to go along with that ability? I would BET that they do. And by the way...as "intellectual" as Larry Bird was, he was not as good as Magic, and not even close to MJ...BUT he was still a great player...There is always going to be a difference when athleticism comes into play.

That (Roc being there) didn't matter at all...Too much was riding on this game to let something like that distract them like that. Vermont was just better..Great turnaround season for Lamar....Hopefully it just gets better from here for them.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1197625" timestamp="1331826248"] Vermont was a better team ;) [/quote] Stole my thunder!! 8)

[quote name="stevenash" post="1197605" timestamp="1331825564"] You bring up another interesting issue in Vermont, Dove.  In the contest last night, would you( you too DV) say that intellect or athleticism prevailed?  Please, no spin, just an honest appraisal. [/quote] Vermont was a better TEAM.....They defended well, and played with great patience and poise..That program has won a tournament game in the last few years (vs. Syracuse in 2005)......Having greater "intellect" played no part in their win last night... ::)

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1197602" timestamp="1331825486"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97275.msg1197597#msg1197597 date=1331825020] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=97275.msg1197444#msg1197444 date=1331779971] Oak Hill 109 Silsbee 44 Get Real son! [/quote] I don't think he was talking about SILSBEE PLAYING Oak Hill, he was talking about the kid from Dallas Lincoln possibly going there next season.... ::) ::)..Which, by the way, isn't happening either.... ;) [/quote] You mean Dallas Kimball. Frazier plays for Kimball, not Lincoln. [/quote] THATS what I meant....Thanks...maybe while being in Austin last week, that 2002 state game against them was embedded in my mind again!!! >:( >:( ;D....I corrected it.. 8)

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1197444" timestamp="1331779971"] Oak Hill 109 Silsbee 44 Get Real son! [/quote] I don't think he was talking about SILSBEE PLAYING Oak Hill, he was talking about the kid from Dallas Kimball possibly going there next season.... ::) ::)..Which, by the way, isn't happening either.... ;)

I've been missing out on a great debate...Guys, listen...Right now, the kids that sign in the spring either have borderline grade issues, and a high major coach thinks he is good enough to wait and see if that kid qualifies, OR they are going the Juco, D-2, NAIA, route, which EITHER WAY is a win for the kid...People, especially those AAU knuckleheads, put way too much emphasis on HIGH MAJOR D-1 options, which is in my opinion just stupid...MOST of these kids will have NO SHOT at NBA money, and few will be able to continue overseas after their college career ends...SO, the goal SHOULD be to enjoy playing the sport that they love, do well in their classes and enjoy the perks of obtaining a FREE EDUCATION...Kids that waste a college scholarship on basketball (meaning they don't graduate) should be required to pay it back! With that said I feel that Shawn Prudhomme from HJ is NOT a HIGH major D-1 talent RIGHT NOW, but he can play at the Division 1 level...SFA, Lamar, Sam Houston, or he could go the D-1 Junior college route.....He is athletic and shoots the ball fairly well, but has no real position (I would call him a "3" on the next level)..and quite honestly, a kid like that, with his kind of upside, COULD greatly benefit from a good division 1 junior college...I could see him thriving at that level for his first two seasons and moving on in division 1..He is a lot like Keena Young was (Ozen 03) who went to South Plains JC, then BYU...Its a legit option for him.

[quote name="atb63" post="1196584" timestamp="1331648829"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97235.msg1196310#msg1196310 date=1331596264] This area has ALWAYS had really good talent...Its no surprise to me...MOST of it has been at Westbrook throughout the last 20 years or so...think about it...Luke Jackson (Syracuse), Aljay Foreman (Centenary) Omar Sneed (Memphis), Paris Corner, Golden Corner, Jeremy Long, Trey McDowell, Harvey Eldridge, and the list goes on and on...Central has had their share as well....Port Arthur capitilized on their talent pool, but overall individual talent...Beaumont had much more.. [/quote] Ahhh Dickey V, I have to beg to differ regarding Beaumont having much more overall individual talent.  Port Arthur Lincoln alone has a very long list of talent as well just going back to their first State Championship team in 1981: Michael Jaco (All State -Creighton), Leonard Allen (All State - San Diego State), Anthony Allen (All State - Georgetown), Kevin Bush, Bryan Sallier (1st Team All State football & basketball Oklahoma -Pro bball overseas) B.J. Tyler (All State - Texas - 1st pick Philadelphia 76ers), Keith Harris (Tulane), Steven Jackson (Now Milwaukee Bucks) Kelvin McKyer (All State), Emmanuel McElroy (All State - Cincinnati), Brannon (Houston), of course there are many names that I have left off the list.  I just listed some of the most notable. The Golden Triangle has always had a lot of talent, in all sports.  However, until the late 80's or early 90's, it was not regarded as such, especially for basketball.  If there was a school like that in Beaumont, I would expect them to dominate. [/quote] NO QUESTION that Port Arthur had talent..BUT I said in THE LAST 20 years, means dating back to like 1992...Beaumont has had more...No knock on PA, its just that PA did MORE with less than Beaumont, riding heavily on tradition and having a great overall program.

[quote name="stevenash" post="1196576" timestamp="1331647531"] Is he going to Yates? [/quote] Somehow he may have a relative that just so happens to reside in Sour Lake..... ::)

[quote name="SHS_Mayor" post="1196334" timestamp="1331598471"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97377.msg1196280#msg1196280 date=1331592095] [quote author=pirateguy link=topic=97377.msg1196257#msg1196257 date=1331587344] [quote author=ozensfinest link=topic=97377.msg1196251#msg1196251 date=1331585914] [quote author=SHS_Mayor link=topic=97377.msg1196015#msg1196015 date=1331540956] [quote author=ozensfinest link=topic=97377.msg1195927#msg1195927 date=1331508112] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97377.msg1195874#msg1195874 date=1331499608] [quote author=ozensfinest link=topic=97377.msg1195872#msg1195872 date=1331499099] I think alot of ppl want to compare this team to the 2009-2010 team (i know thats what i was looking for) but they're not close to them i think that team might be one of the best in 4a of all time could be wrong though [/quote] Ozen 2001...  ;)....you should know that! 8) [/quote] they were better than them they won back to back [/quote] Compare the Talent Ozen Played Chris Bosh - Jermis Smith - Byron Eaton You can't name me a NBA player from the 2009-10 Team our that they played against So I say 2001 Ozen By far that Startin 5 all got D-1 scholarships [/quote] For one the 2001 team didn't play bosh i believe that was in 03 perk senior yr and yates whole starting five went on to receive D-1 scholarships and are currently playing in college and not to mention how easily Yates won states those two years there was no competition in 4a for them [/quote] Might be off topic...but I remember Perk's senior year he was taking threes at the state tournament. Had a me and a lot of other people really scratching our heads as to why that was happening. lol. [/quote] Relax...Perk took one three at the end of the fourth out of frustration... ::) [quote author=ozensfinest link=topic=97377.msg1196251#msg1196251 date=1331585914] [quote author=SHS_Mayor link=topic=97377.msg1196015#msg1196015 date=1331540956] [quote author=ozensfinest link=topic=97377.msg1195927#msg1195927 date=1331508112] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97377.msg1195874#msg1195874 date=1331499608] [quote author=ozensfinest link=topic=97377.msg1195872#msg1195872 date=1331499099] I think alot of ppl want to compare this team to the 2009-2010 team (i know thats what i was looking for) but they're not close to them i think that team might be one of the best in 4a of all time could be wrong though [/quote] Ozen 2001...  ;)....you should know that! 8) [/quote] they were better than them they won back to back [/quote] Compare the Talent Ozen Played Chris Bosh - Jermis Smith - Byron Eaton You can't name me a NBA player from the 2009-10 Team our that they played against So I say 2001 Ozen By far that Startin 5 all got D-1 scholarships [/quote] For one the 2001 team didn't play bosh i believe that was in 03 perk senior yr and yates whole starting five went on to receive D-1 scholarships and are currently playing in college and not to mention how easily Yates won states those two years there was no competition in 4a for them [/quote] The 2001 team did not play Dallas Lincoln because Lincoln lost to San Antonio Lanier in the semi finals that year...The 2002 Ozen team lost to Lincoln...AND The starting five did NOT receive D-1 scholarships from Yates...Joe Young (Providence then to UH), Brandon Peters (Western Kentucky, then to Lamar PA), and Darius Gardner (SFA)...ozensfinest, WHO are YOU getting your info from??? :o [/quote] So You Named 3 players who One Plays for Lamar PA a juco 6'10 Kendrick Perkins SO. 2001 - NBA 6'1 Bradon Chappel JR. 2001 - Lamar 6'7 Kenna Young SO. 2001 - BYU 6'6 Jason Dabney JR. 2001 - TSU 6'2 Jason Brickaridge JR 2001 - PV An You Say Yates is Better than the 36-0 Panthers That Summer All 5 Players Got Invited to the ABCD Camp Now known as Addidas Phenom Camp -- All American Camp [/quote] That Yates team was good, but was no match for the 2001 Ozen team...Mike Thomas & Albert Marshall were the starting guards and Chappell, Dabney, and Breckenridge all came off the bench! Yates had no answer for the big fella and that group of guards would not have been affected by the Yates press. They were THAT good...

This area has ALWAYS had really good talent...Its no surprise to me...MOST of it has been at Westbrook throughout the last 20 years or so...think about it...Luke Jackson (Syracuse), Aljay Foreman (Centenary) Omar Sneed (Memphis), Paris Corner, Golden Corner, Jeremy Long, Trey McDowell, Harvey Eldridge, and the list goes on and on...Central has had their share as well....Port Arthur capitilized on their talent pool, but overall individual talent...Beaumont had much more..

[quote name="no-look" post="1196302" timestamp="1331594551"] How many seniors were on Yates varsity? How many starters do they lose? Will they be as good next year? [/quote] They are going to be very good..return all of their size in 6'7 Melvin Swift (#12 soph) and 6'8 JC Washington (#5 soph)...also they return a couple of ultra athletic guards in #23 and #1....along with a really good group of JV guys that went unbeaten...They will be more talented than any 3A opening next season...thats for sure. Now, does that mean they are a lock to get back to Austin and win it all in 3A? I have seen stranger things to happen to talented teams, so the answer to that is no.... ;)

[quote name="panther blue" post="1196305" timestamp="1331595217"] back to the yates vs. kimball game, if yates was in a full court man defense in the last 30 seconds of the game, they sure left #10 torrey hunter wide open. for two 3-pointers. [/quote] Got caught scrambling....achilles heal of pressing teams sometimes...it came back to bite them in the rear end in the last few minutes..