Dick Vitale

2 hours ago, Whoa said:

To counter Dicks no blacks allowed statement 

what are the chances of a White person being in Admin of BISD OR PAISD?? Unless the state appoints them as in the BISD situation

 

FACT

WRONG...Ever hear of a guy named RODNEY CAVENESS? Port Neches Supt.? Yeah well he was an ADMIN in BISD without state intervention. There were PLENTY more too...How many black coaches are even EMPLOYED in Lumberton? Well there are white coaches in Port Arthur AND Beaumont! Any black coaches at HJ? I would venture to say NO to that as well...Non since Carey Palmer...no assistants even...PLENTY black kids playing there....no coaches...Vidor? Bridge City? Port Neches? Nederland MAY have ONE assistant. Come on man, that argument is GARBAGE! Its not proportionate, no matter HOW you slice it! Port Arthur Lincoln had coaches for YEARS, just on the basketball staff alone...EVEN Houston WHEATLEY! They had white coaches on staff too, in case you were wondering...Central's head coach...WHITE...Think a black coach would even get an INTERVIEW at Evadale? NO. Buna? HA! NOPE! That's not something you want to compare Mr. Whoa....try again.

3 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

You don'the know anything about me and you have never seen a racist comment from me. You, however, spew them out on a regular basis...Confederate flag on the double wide...coach didn't get recognized by the "good old boy" system...blah, blah,blah.

Of course, all the other folks you're going back and forth with must be from Lumberton too, right?

smh

 

 

How many black kids go to Lumberton schools? How many black families are allowed to buy homes there? I know one that tried to, and the realtor thought she was white and explained how they try hard to keep black people out of Lumberton. THAT happened, so sorry if I have drawn the conclusion that Lumberton residents are, for the most part, card carrying racists.

What about the black man that was found hung in Ohio? YES hung in 2016....That almost happened at the same time...They say suicide...I say BS.....Can you guys say DISTRACTION? SMH

2 minutes ago, baddog said:

Did you see the Ali Holmes fight? OMG.....that fight should have been stopped. Even Holmes looked stopped punching, looked at the ref, the ref didn't stop it and he went back to pounding Ali. If that didn't bring on shaken brain syndrome (not sure if that is what it is called) I don't know what can.

You are dead wrong on how people felt about Ali. You are always going to have haters no matter who it is. People didn't know what to think about Ali. There was no one prior that had a mouth on him like Ali. He took some warming up to, and really, you know this. Go ask any white man who the greatest boxer ever is. You just like to blow off steam

Can one get Parkinson's from brain trauma? Michael J. Fox didn't get that memo! Whenever someone is outspoken, yes, certain people that are not used to someone of that "skin tone", if you will, being so brash and fearless, will automatically not like him. YES....I can FULLY relate...Stevenash knows that I am a quite likable guy, but I have the tendency to call it as I see it, and that may take some getting used to by many on here that don't look like me....You ask some white men on here who the greatest boxer was and they might answer "Rocky Marciano"! LOL....Its funny, but somehow I don't think I am 100% wrong on that assumption!

12 minutes ago, stevenash said:

Dickie- No stereotyping by you, right?

 

And  just how was the grand scheme to  "inject him" carried out?  Since Parkinsons is a somewhat gradual disease, couldnt he have told on "the good ol folks of the US of A" before he could no longer speak?

You think he would KNOW that this was done to him? Kind of like the TUSKEGEE EXPERIMENTS? Ohhhh, you guys forgot about that huh? Don't act like it's not possible..SMH

13 minutes ago, baddog said:

Injectible Parkinson's Disease.......what an idea. Only you could come up with something like that. Your education precedes you. Dick, you are so full of it and full of yourself you make inane statements such as that. The anti-black conspiracy.....man oh man.

I couldn't resist posting about that comment.

Look it up....I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it's been said in MANY circles, and if it IS possible, I think it was done. Just a theory. 

26 minutes ago, team first said:

What's the hold up, thought this was a done deal?

They have to hire a principal FIRST, and secondly Boutte's PAISD contract does not end until June 28. Its done.

12 minutes ago, stevenash said:

Agree- thought that was pretty much universally accepted

In theory, yes, I guess anyone could be. However, in order to be racist, you must feel as though your race is superior to others. And we all know who really feels that way. I will give you a clue. Those who want to make America "great" again....smh.

58 minutes ago, LumRaiderFan said:

No he wasn't...but this is country gave him the opportunity to use his talent to accumulate that kind of wealth and influence.

Stevenash asked a good question...why was he proud enough to fight in the Olympics for this oppressive country AND carry the torch in 2012 but not fight for them when drafted?

He was a great boxer, probably the greatest, but he was also a draft dodger...that was the original question posed in the thread and that's my opinion on the matter.

And you being from Lumberton, I KNOW how you feel about other races that do not look like you, but I won't expand on that today.  How can you say that THIS country gave Muhammed Ali ANYTHING in those days? In the Olympics he fought under the name "Cassius Clay".  Him carrying the darn torch is not the same as going into another country and KILLING people that did nothing to him! I am also quite sure he was ASKED to carry the torch and was not forced to...Fact is, he was not accepted by the vast majority of whites until he was no longer able to speak publically about his plight and the plight of others that look like him, due to having Parkinson's disease, which by the way, I believe he was injected with by the good ol folks of the US of A, in an effort to silence him. That's what most people like you do...Find SOME way to discredit a person that's obviously one of the greatest sports figure of our time, by saying things like "he was great, but he dodged the draft though". We all know why...Its ok...No matter what YOU people here in good ol SE Texas feel, Muhammed Ali was and IS still THE GREATEST. Rest in POWER, champ.

8 minutes ago, baddog said:

I opposed the Vietnam war, but if I had been drafted, I would have gone. Too many other young men of all colors had died so that I could enjoy living in America. I had a high draft number and was the sole surviving male in the family (my Dad and brother died in '68). 

Funny how we are told to look up the definition of racism, while we are all at the mercy of Dickie's 'interpretation' of the definition of draft dodger. Ali's dodging of the draft does not make me hate him. He broke the law and paid for it, albeit lightly.

Sorry, had to post that. I'm truly done now Dick.

Did you even look up the word racist yet? Is my interpretation not accurate? Did he face this situation without running to Canada as many whites did during that era? Don't worry....I'll wait...Dog.

4 hours ago, LumRaiderFan said:

I think his net worth was $50 million when he died...doesn't sound like he was too oppressed.

A country that can afford you that kind of opportunity sounds like one worth fighting for.

You best believe when he was drafted into the army, he was not worth that much. As a matter of fact, he was hated by the majority back then. Fight for them? For WHAT???

3 minutes ago, stevenash said:

Now I understand.  If one does not view a word/phrase semantically as you do, they are wrong in their interpretation?  I thought the left was the champion of tolerance and diversity?

It is what it is....He didn't DODGE anything. And for any of you to paint him as such, in death, is wrong.

1 minute ago, REBgp said:

Haha Dick, you're still flunking reading comprehension.  And it appears, comprehension in general.   

Did you or did you not call Ali a draft dodger? 

1 minute ago, stevenash said:

Did he dodge the draft?

He decided not to go and fight for people that oppressed him, and FACED THEM HEAD UP....He didn't RUN anywhere.  To me to run is to dodge....Ali didn't do that.

17 hours ago, team first said:

Lil Boutte ???

Says he wants to stay in the Houston area....this would be a good job for him, if they would hire him though....but he wants to stay in the big city...

25 minutes ago, REBgp said:

I don't blame you baddog.  A thread started to recognize the death of a great boxer, got turned into into something ugly.  Smh

Only because you both decided to tarnish his greatness somehow, by calling the man a draft dodger, unnecessarily so, and to no avail....shame...why?

So you don't think any blacks own double wide trailers? I doubt very many of us would  hang a confederate flag from the front door of one, but it's definitely possible. So how was that assumption racially motivated again? Muhammad Ali was a WORLD WIDE figure...you expect the sitting president to have NO response? Are you people INSANE? FYI, Jack Nicklaus is no where NEAR the world figure as Ali was, and he never will be. Sorry. I know you won't agree but it's true.

2 minutes ago, Whoa said:

Dick Vitale. You sound too young for Nam.  Congratulations on your successful career.  

Ali -- great boxer- great philanthropist- DRAFT.  DODGER -RACIST-

it is what it is. He avoided - dodged the draft he hated White men. He gave generously and contributed to racial equality that IS a fact

Yes Nam was before my time...If you look up the definition of RACIST and seriously look read it for comprehension, you will realize that NO black person can be considered a racist...Ali STOOD up to OPPRESSION...You people call that being racist...ITS NOT. Go read the definition...seriously.

1 minute ago, baddog said:

Draft dodging could mean jail time.

Soooo, being that it was such a great law, it must still be in effect today, right? You could also go to jail for sitting in the front of a bus in 1950, that doesn't make it RIGHT! SMH..

4 minutes ago, baddog said:

Wow, someone calls Ali a draft dodger, which he was, he got off light with the stripping of his title and he couldn't box for a few years, and here we are making it a race issue. Thanks Dickie and Pam, this is all you are about which means you have nothing. How sad.

Got off light? They took this man's livelihood, just because he refused to KILL FOR THEM FOR NO GOOD REASON...Are you serious?

2 minutes ago, REBgp said:

No Dick, I don't own a confederate flag or a double wide trailer.  I'll tell you something else, I'm not a racist, but your comments indicate you are.

Ali refused to be drafted, which was the law, based on a reason that was not valid. And of the millions called, I'd bet not one single other person was allowed CO status, ergo, he's a draft dodger.

One other thing, have you served in the military?   No?  I thought not.

Racist? me? No way! I just call it like I see it...It was a guess based on feel and context clues that's all...Me, serve in the military? HA! No way, man! I qualified academically and also earned a full basketball scholarship, so there was no need...Although I was recruited to attend West Point, I declined the offer as well. Bottom line is, Muhammed Ali had EVERY right to tell those people NO. I would have done the EXACT same thing.

1 hour ago, REBgp said:

First of all, if you can read and comprehend, and I've found few liberals who can. I was answering a query posed by PhatMack19.  He ask, how do the older people see him?  Hero or draft dodger"?  I responded with how I perceived what he did as draft dodging (he d-man sure wasn't a hero).  And added, he was only one of many.   A conscientious objector was someone who's religion forbade him from taking a life.  Ali had no problem fighting a war, only fighting it for the Christian country in which he lived.  Like most Muslims he was a scumbag.

Also, the remainder of my post was a compliment to the man.  I was being gracious.   And what gives you the right to jump on my butt?   Are you aware that this forum has rules about using words in all capitals?

The war was started by Democrat Lyndon Johnson, who won election by saying, "I'm not sending American boys 10,000 miles to fight an Asian boys war" and when elected, did just that.

What good reason?  It was the law!  Are you of the opinion that laws apply to everyone but blacks?  Hundreds of thousand black, white, brown, red, and yellow young men fought in that war.  I had six friends that died in Vietnam Nam.  What gave him the right to NOT go in the military?  

I read and comprehend better than most. MY point was why does anyone have to fight for a country that WAS NOT FIGHTING FOR THEM? And second, yes, his religious belief also came into play, but his conscious mind led him to not want to harm anyone that was not harming HIM...That's FAIR...Hey REBgp....I bet you still have a confederate flag hanging from your double wide trailer door, huh? SMH

5 hours ago, REBgp said:

To most of us who served at the time, yes,he was a draft dodger.  Only one of many at that time. That said, he had the fastest hands I ever saw on a big man.  And just as rare for a heavyweight boxer, he was very charismatic, and made boxing popular again.  His prior fight rantings, didn't come off as belligerent, but more like entertainment.

"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee".  RIP

Draft dodger? What GOOD reason can YOU give for killing people that did NOTHING to you? Or fighting for a country that treated you like a second class citizen? Don't worry.....I'll wait....SMH.

9 hours ago, TxHoops said:

He's been at Central all semester I believe.  And yes, he will be a junior next year.  

DV, Wheatley is interesting.   They return the best shooter I have seen in this area.  6'5" with a lightning fast release.  And Ds up too.  Definitely something to work with there.  

In the right hands, Wheatley could be Silsbee on Steroids! That's definitely something to think about.....

2 minutes ago, no-look said:

How does one get plugged into this transfer pipeline? All we need is five. 

AAAAAAA, AAAAAAAA, UUUUUUUUUU! LOL  Its the DEVIL, but dag-nabbit, you just might get a player or three from it if you're lucky.....or plugged in! lol

Just now, GoBigBlue1997 said:

I wont speak for everyone but that is what I thought was implied.  If that is not what was being implied, I would like to know what "certain things" you are referring to?

The "good ole boy" system and local media bias....nothing more, nothing less.