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Couldn't agree more.

Wait a moment! There are other factors aside from coaching, that a coach can't avoid losing seasons in half of the seasons that he coached after a magical run? And then a coach with 7 state semifinals appearances and, yes, a state championship appearance in 2005, 16 straight seasons of 10 or more victories (1988-2004) doesn't make your list? A don't consider that too bad considering the program he took over hadn't been in the playoffs the previous 28 years. In fact, I would consider that elite coaching. I think Danaher provides a better example for your argument.

I agree. Plus districts like this are to me the most interesting as you never know what is going to happen from week to week.

I agree he was an elite coach. But why is it that an elite coach could not avoid 3 losing seasons and a was able to muster only a .535 record in his final six years as coach. It is the same elite coach that led PN-G to that 4 year run from '74-'77? Again, what is the answer?

Not sure you got that right. One state championship (1975), two finals appearances (1975, 1977), two semi appearances (1974, 1976).

Do you know what Ethridge's record after his 4 year run to the semis, finals and one championship? 1978 - 6-4, home for the playoffs 1979 - 4-5-1, home for the playoffs 1980 - 7-3, home from the playoffs 1981 - 3-7, home from the playoffs 1982 - 4-6, home for the playoffs 1983 - 6-3-1, home for the playoffs Ethridge's record from '78 to '83 when retired was 30-26-1. Not really what I would call elite. What? Did the 1977 finals loss to Permian knock the coaching ability out of him? OF COURSE NOT! He is still the same coach who lead the Indians to 4 semis, 2 finals and 1 championship from 1974-1978. Then what is the answer?

Well, you know, I find it curious that you stopped in presenting Buda Hays season records in 2010. Did they do any better with subsequent coaches, here is the answer. 2011 - 8-4 - Blake Feldt 2012 - 10-2 - Blake Feldt 2013 - 9-3 - Neal La Hue 2014 - 4-6 - Neal La Hue 2015 - 5-5 - Neal La Hue 2016 - 3-7 - Neal La Hue 2017 - 4-7 - Neal La Hue 2018 - 8-3 - Les Goad 3 coaches who did no better than Coach Shelton Notes on a few of these coaches: Ector County ISD held the bar so low that they hired Feldt, who came to Hays from Pilot Point where he led them to the Class 2A, Division I State Championship in 2009, away from Hays to coach Odessa Permian. La Hue is currently the offensive coordinator at Texas Lutheran University. Goad, when he took the job in 2018, was just 2 years off of leading Navarro to a Class 4A Division II State Semifinal game. BTW, don't expect Hays to improve their records any in the near future as since 2014, they have been in the same district as Austin Westlake and Lake Travis currently reside in the same district as they do. So how did dispel my theory again? OH! You mean the PN-G example? Do you know what Ethridge's record after his 4 year run to the semis, finals and one championship? 1978 - 6-4, home for the playoffs 1979 - 4-5-1, home for the playoffs 1980 - 7-3, home from the playoffs 1981 - 3-7, home from the playoffs 1982 - 4-6, home for the playoffs 1983 - 6-3-1, home for the playoffs Ethridge's record from '78 to '83 when retired was 30-26-1. Not really what I would call elite. What? Did the 1977 finals loss to Permian knock the coaching ability out of him? OF COURSE NOT! He will still the same coach who lead the Indians to 4 semis, 2 finals and 1 championship from 1974-1978. Then what is the answer?

I'm quite sure that he had some talent that went through Hays High as he led the Rebels to 18 playoff appearances and 5 district titles, just not enough to make a deep run. BTW, trying to make a point and answering a question are two different things. On this thread you now have 2 questions you haven't answered.

Nobody wishes to diminish the role of a coach in a championship team....I know I don't. By the same token, the role of talented players or the community support shouldn't be diminished either. Who thinks so? Cornel Thompson, who on regional television uttered the now famous, "You can't win the Kentucky Derby with a mule." And W.T. Johnson, God rest his soul, who just a couple of years later on the very same regional network, gave the impassioned post game interview as so how it just plain different in Newton, Texas. They are two men who work around the clock, training and motivating their kids, attending conferences how to get even better than they were. But there is so much a coach can do. A coach has only so much clay to mold. Curtis Barbay went 24 years between the Eagles' first title in 1974 and their second in 1998. Dan Hooks and Thompson went 29 years the Mustangs' 2nd and third state titles. Same coaches, same training techniques. Is someone trying to imply that in those periods of time the these men, Hall of Fame coaches all, were out coached during those droughts? It may not occur to some, but this area is blessed a number of coaches like Monte Barrow. They have hard working and talented players. But ask yourself this and be honest.....can anybody here recall a team who you think should have had a deep playoff run that didn't because they underachieved due to coaching?

Thanks, bud!

Thanks, I had posted that in the subforum that has the previews, but here it is over here: July 1: Newton, Beaumont West Brook, Grapeland July 2: Nederland, Diboll, Elkhart July 3: Goose Creek Memorial, Buna, West Sabine July 4: Dayton, West Hardin, Tarkington July 5: Woodville, Kingwood Park, Montgomery July 6: Off July 7: Off July 8: Silsbee, San Augustine, High Island July 9: Lumberton, Huffman Hargrave, Galena Park July 10: Vidor, New Caney, Channelview July 11: Bridge City, Splendora, Hardin July 12: Beaumont United, Shepherd, Shelbyville July 13: Off July 14: Off July 15: West Orange-Stark, East Chambers, Sabine Pass July 16: Orangefield, Santa Fe, Montgomery Lake Creek July 17: Crosby, Liberty, Coldspring-Oakhurst July 18: Barbers Hill, Porter, Hull-Daisetta July 19: Hamshire-Fannett, Livingston, Evadale July 20: Off July 21: Off July 22: Jasper, Galena Park North Shore, Katy Paetow July 23: Baytown Sterling, Houston Austin, Huntington July 24: Little Cypress-Mauriceville, Center, Chester July 25: Deweyville, Franklin, Gilmer Union Hill July 26: Kirbyville, Huntsville, Crockett July 27: Off July 28: Off July 29: Port Arthur Memorial, College Station A&M Consolidated, Leverett's Chapel July 30: Hardin-Jefferson, Hemphill, Houston Wisdom, Kountze July 31: Beaumont Legacy Christian, Lovelady, Palestine Westwood, Trinity Aug. 1: Sheldon C.E. King, Fruitvale, Oakwood, Orange Community Christian Aug. 2: Baytown Lee, Baytown Christian, Apple Springs, Anderson-Shiro Aug. 3: Off Aug. 4: Off Aug. 5: Cleveland, New Waverly, Rosenberg Lamar Consolidated Aug. 6: Anahuac, Bryan Rudder, Trinidad Aug. 7: La Porte, Port Neches-Groves, Warren Aug. 8: Beaumont Kelly Catholic, Colmesneil, Groveton Aug. 9: Deer Park, Corrigan-Camden, Burkeville

Didn't say that. But to totally dismiss the quality of the players that you have in a quest for a state title is a bit silly. It appears that Reagan is doing just that.

With the start of the work week here, we start up again with the team previews. Here are today;s Silsbee: San Augustine: High Island: We will be back with these tomorrow with: Lumberton, Huffman Hargrave, Galena Park

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Too bad it took for you to answer the question that Reagan wouldn't. Reagan's response not only doesn't bother to answer my question. The suggestion that a team can bring home a state championship with mediocre players is laughable.

Got what he deserved.

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No, it is not you. There are a number of folks who do not frequent this board that I have heard from who have their criticisms of Coach Crouch.

LC-M, figured you were. I would love to see every school in Orange County go far into the playoffs on a regular basis. Believe me, I don't deny the fact that WO-S has has the fortune of having a series of great coaches since its opening and, yes, they have played a big part in the Mustangs' winning ways. But as one of those 3 said, "You can't win the Kentucky Derby with a mule." And by my posts, I don't mean to diminish that. However, to talk about how great Mustang coaches are and imply that the rest of Orange County schools have trash as coaches is a slap in the face to excellent coaches in the county like Jeff Mathews, Josh Smalley, Allen DeShazo and while I know many disagree, Randy Crouch. While Reagan seems all too willing to take that slap, I don't.

Attended elementary school and part of middle school in Orange.

WO-S has been open since 1977......Newton has been playing football annually in a UIL district since 1944.

If you would bother to answer my question as to how many NFL or CFL players the other Orange County schools have produced, you'd know the answer to yours.

2019 FOOTBALL TEAM PREVIEWS CROCKETT BULLDOGS 2018 Record: 7-4 Overall, 4-2 District 3rd Place in District 11-3A-I The 2018 season was another successful one for the Crockett Bulldogs as a 7-4 overall record and 4-2 district mark was enough to qualify for Jimmy Thompson's Bulldogs to again make the playoffs. But a one game stay in the playoffs is not what folks in Crockett expect. In order to get farther in playoffs, the Bulldogs will rely on seven returning offensive starters and nine returning starting defenders. Head Coach: Jimmy Thompson Assistant Coaches: Ronnie Nelson (Defensive Coordinator), Cash Thompson (Offensive Co-Coordinator), Edward Arledge (Offensive Co-Coordinator), Tony Peoples, Jimmy Evans, Cole Permberton, Randy Redkey, Kadrian Bryant, Zach Dowell, Gary Grubbs, Johnny Ervin, Frederick Davis Offense: Seven starters return to the Crockett offense in 2019. Senior quarterback Jordan Bedford (1st team all-district) will return to guide the Bulldog offense. Senior running back Joseph Porter returns to spearhead the Crockett rushing attack along with sophomore back Keshun Easterling and freshman Courtney Byrd. Senior tight end Allen Horace (2nd team all-district), senior wide out Shannon Bacon and senior slot Cristian Brice will again be the primary receivers in the Bulldog passing game. Senior lineman Carlos Navarro (1st team all-district) and senior center Walker Robinson return to solidify the offensive line. Defense: Nine starters return to the Crockett defense in 2019. Horace (1st team all-district) returns to his defensive end spot and senior linemen Jared Gilford and Weston Reeves will return to the offensive line. Senior linebackers Jakecian Jones (2nd team all-district) and Amyron Dixon return to the linebacker corp. Senior cornerbacks Christian Brice (1st team all-district) and Ja'Lynne Carruthers (1st team all-district) return to a secondary that will also include Byrd and fellow freshman Xzavian Walker. Special Teams: Sophomore Antonio Cruz (1st team all-district) will return to do the place kicking for Crockett and sophomore Omar Garcia will do the punting. Porter will be the primary kick returner. Schedule: Aug. 30 - Buffalo, 7:30 pm Sept. 6 - Garrison, 7:30 pm Sept. 13 - at Grapeland, 7:30 pm Sept. 20 - OPEN Sept. 27 - at Trinity, 7:30 pm* Oct. 4 - Diboll, 7:30 pm* Oct. 11 - at Tomball Christian, 7:30 pm Oct. 18 - at Coldspring-Oakhurst, 7:30 pm* Oct. 25 - Elkhart, 7:30 pm* Nov. 1 - at Palestine Westwood, 7:30 pm* Nov. 8 - Franklin, 7:30 pm*