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Yes, that is what the 5A supers will be voting on a referendum ballot. If they approve it, it would go into effect for the 2018 alignment.

If that is what you are looking for, I fear you may not find it. In other threads which kind of deal with the same issue, there seems to be only one deficiency which is consistently (and I feel for the most part, wrongly) noted. Of course, none of us will probably ever know every key to putting a championship team on the field. If we did, we probably would not be posting here but rather setting up meetings with Neumann, Faircloth, Harrison, Mathews et al and commanding a large fee to do so. And that is probably because we would probably find out that those keys can be pretty fluid.

I agree that Central's omission from the vype rankings is probably one of the chief reasons that it should be discounted. Of course, in vype's defense, the Jags have not gotten out to their usual fast start.

Yes, I saw those. And I wasn't referring to your comments but to others.

It's a long season and I am sure that these rankings will change quite a bit over the next few months. So if you don't like the rankings as they currently are just wait, they'll probably change. Of course, many will find something to gripe about even then.

Vidor 47 Tarkington 45, FINAL

If you call averaging nearly 4 total TD's a game "about average" then I guess so.

While I understand what you are saying and I know you so I know that you are not suggesting this, I kinda bristle at how this post is worded because it leaves open the implication that WO-S' recent success is due to playing "inferior" teams. WO-S is playing in the class and division that it size dictates as stated by the UIL. Neither they nor Navarro nor Gilmer nor Sweetwater should have to apologize for where they are for all they did was what every school in the State of Texas did, count the heads of students attending (well, okay Livingston didn't do that) and wait for the UIL to tell them what class, division and district to play in. The playoff opponents have not been determined by them but again by the UIL. I realize that I have furthered your argument and I didn't mean to dispute it. But let's all remember, smaller schools don't always mean inferior schools.

I am still not crazy about classes being split into divisions at the start of the season as I don't care for some of the administrative and other problems that is causes. Some of those are more important than we think, while I'll acknowledge that others are merely aesthetic. That being said, if the purpose of the DI/DII split at the beginning of the season is to level the playing field as the UIL has claimed, then to not have it exist in the two classes (6A and 5A) where the playing field is not anywhere near level, goes against the historical intent of the UIL's starting a DI and DII in the first place. Recall that in 1990, when two champions were recognized in a UIL classification for the first time, it was done in only one class...Class 6A (then 5A). It was 8 years before this was tried in any other class and 14 years before it was done in any class below 5A (then 4A). Yet since then the inequity has occurred in the smaller classes and not in the larger ones since that time, leading to a need for a preseason split in all classes except the 2 largest ones? I think not and it is this odd manner of UIL dealing that opens it up to the criticism that its decisions are based primarily on financial considerations. To sum it up, I think the split needs to be an all or nothing proposition and, if you are going to do it, extend it to all classes.

I get a little nervous about WO-S being appointed the standard bearer in this subject. Remember that for all of the success WO-S has enjoyed, even we Mustang fans had to wait 28 years between state championships.

I agree to an extent, but the DII numbers this year don't completely bare this out. Yes, College Station (1743) enjoyed almost a 300 student ADM advantage over PN-G (1447), but Fort Bend Marshall (1280) went into its game sporting a nearly 400 student ADM deficit to Crosby (1668). But without searching further, it would appear that the Fort Bend Marshall/Crosby situation is more the exception than the rule. To better level things, the 5A supers need to approve the provision which will be set before them dividing Class 5A, Division I and Division II.

I understand what you are saying and the frustration that more runs aren't made. And it appears, usually, that the frustration is greatest in the 5A ranks. So I will focus on that. I think we sometimes underestimate how difficult is is to win a state championship in the UIL's 2nd largest classification. The last time it was done by an SETX team was 29 years ago (West Orange-Stark in 1987). Heck, only 3 schools since then have even played in the finals for one (West Orange-Stark in 1988 and 2000, Port Neches-Groves in 1999, Dayton in 2008). Yes, this area has loads of football talent....so do other areas. And this year provides the textbook example and leads me to ask this question, "Of the 21-5A and 22-5A teams that survived bi-district this year, can you objectively say that the teams that eliminated them possessed less talent?" My answer would be no. The 4 schools that were survived bi-district from 21-5A and 22-5A (Crosby, New Caney, Port Neches-Groves and Port Arthur Memorial) were eliminated by the four schools that played for the Regional Championships in 5A, DI and 5A, D2 (Manvel, Temple, College Station and Fort Bend Marshall). Two of those schools (Temple and College Station) remain potential state champions. Again, the deep runs that we crave are a lot rarer than we think and much more rarer than we desire.

My understanding is that Coach Thompson is still in possession of a little friend called "POT." However, today's rules and regulations probably limit how much he can use it.

Well, I don't know if those are all the factors in the formula, but these are at the very least some of the essential elements. I think we need to step back and consider one thing in reviewing this subject...a deep run in the playoffs is not a birth right. Over 700 teams started 5 weeks ago on a quest for a UIL state championship in their respective classes and divisions. Out of those over 700 teams, only 44 (40 in 6A-2A, 4 in 1A) are still playing football this weekend. Several great teams will not be among those suiting up this weekend. I only mention that because some here seem to infer, and some go as far as to suggest, that a long playoff run, regardless of the sport, is a birth right and that if it doesn't occur that something or someone is to blame. Occasionally, that might be the case. Yes, in addition to having talent, you have to have breaks go your way to navigate this gauntlet. However, that situation is much rarer than is suggested here. As hard as it is to accept, it is more often than not just the fact that the team that the bracket lines your team up against is simply better than yours. I have had to accept that all but 3 times for my beloved Mustangs, may have to accept that this weekend or next and will probably have to accept it for years to come. Don't take it for granted and don't try too hard to analyze why it doesn't occur more often. Just enjoy it when it happens, even if it is just once, because you never know if it will ever happen again.

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We currently have no schedule/bracket information, but Brookeland, Colmesneil, Hemphill, Hull-Daisetta and Leggett have on their schedules that they will be participating in this tournament.

We currently do not have schedule/bracket info, but Anahuac, Cleveland, Deweyville, Goodrich, Hamshire-Fannett, Tarkington and Vidor have listed on their school schedules that they are participating.

Frankston Thursday games: 12:00 pm - Palestine Westwood vs. Tenaha 12:00 pm - Neches vs. Onalaska 4:30 pm - Onalaska vs. Palestine Westwood 6:00 pm - Tenaha vs. Frankston Tuluso-Midway Thursday games: Deer Park vs. Roma Montgomery Streater-Smith Thursday games: 3:00 pm - Beaumont West Brook vs. Brazoswood 4:30 pm - Goose Creek Memorial vs. Aldine Eisenhower Lufkin 10:00 am - Lufkin vs. Diboll 2:45 pm - Diboll vs. Nacogdoches Fort Bend ISD 9:00 am - Baytown Sterling vs. Fort Bend Hightower 1:30 pm - Silsbee vs. Baytown Sterling 4:30 pm - Fort Bend Hightower vs. Silsbee Moulton Thursday Chireno vs Cuero - 4:30 Brownsboro 3:00 pm - Crockett vs. Van

Thursday games: 9:00 am - Huffman Hargrave vs. Conroe Oak Ridge 9:00 am - Tatum vs. Little Cypress Mauriceville 10:30 am - Lufkin Hudson vs. Kountze 12:00 pm - Pollok Central vs. Nederland 12:00 pm - Shepherd vs. Buna 1:30 pm - Hardin-Jefferson vs. Tyler Chapel Hill 1:30 pm - Lumberton vs. Aransas Pass 3:00 pm - Little Cypress-Mauriceville vs. Huffman Hargrave 4:30 pm - Kountze vs. Corpus Christi King 4:30 pm - Longview vs. Lufkin Hudson 6:00 pm - Nederland vs. Buna 6:00 pm - Shepherd vs. Pollok Central 7:30 pm - Hardin-Jefferson vs. Lumberton

11:00 am - Jasper vs Evadale 2:00 pm - Orangefield vs Jasper 5:00 pm - Beaumont Legacy Christian vs Liberty

4:30 pm - Port Arthur Memorial vs. Cypress Ranch 4:30 pm - Beaumont Ozen vs. Cypress Ridge 4:30 pm - Galena Park North Shore vs. Cypress Lakes 6:00 pm - Humble Summer Creek vs. Klein Collins

10:00 am - Nacogdoches Central Heights vs. New Summerfield 1:00 pm - Newton vs. Sulphur Springs 1:00 pm - Woden vs. Rusk 2:30 pm - Center vs. Bridge City 4:00 pm - Coldspring-Oakhurst vs. CHSM 8:30 pm - Nacogdoches Central Heights/New Summerfield winner vs. Woden/Rusk winner

9:55 am - Gary vs. Timpson 9:55 am - Douglass vs. Broaddus 12:45 pm - Beckville vs. Wells 12:45 pm - Alto/West Sabine 3:35 pm - Price Carlisle vs. Joaquin 6:25 pm - Douglass/Broaddus winner vs. San Augustine

Thursday games: 9:00 am - Latexo vs. Warren 10:20 am - Zavalla vs. Chester 11:40 am - Garrison vs. Huntington 1:00 pm - Dallardsville Big Sandy vs. Cushing 2:20 pm - Latexo/Warren loser vs. Garrison/Huntington loser 3:40 pm - Zavalla/Chester winner vs. Spurger 5:00 pm - Shelbyville vs. Latexo/Warren winner