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11 hours ago, nativetransplant said:

Best I could find is below (dates are off a day but the bracket teams are correct).  My bet is that the winner of Hallettsville & Beaumont Legacy will play Legacy Prep.

 

Would be a good one!  Legacy Prep has a very good player in Talisha Brown, who was previously at Wheatley High School, and last year led the nation in scoring. 

13 hours ago, Hoopster-007 said:

Your logical reasoning is Interesting. Particularly, without chatting with Carter or her parents.

Let's remove Coach Harris, however, maintain your logical reasoning. What if I coached Karima Christmas-Kelly (Duke University) who is currently with Minnesota Lynx? What if I coached quite a few D-1 players, such as Kelli Griffin (Baylor),  Lauren Flores (UT), Damitria Buchanan (A&M), Tia Jackson (Tulane), Jasmyne Watson (Missouri State), Shaye Montgomery (A&M Corpus), Whitney Smith (Sam Houston), Nia Torru (Incarnate Word), Tamara Torru (North Texas), Deltrice Daniel (A&M Commerce), Sandra Maldonado (A&M Kingsville), Audri Garcia (Harding University), Taujhnae Travis (Oklahoma Baptist), and others?? At least 5 of the above played point guard. What if I have championship trophies that fill a room? So, am I automatically "qualified?"

 

 

 

X and O wise you may not be "qualified" but imo you are "qualified" to deal with alpha players unless you are the type of coach where you allow your top player to do anything they want and you say nothing lol.  I dont know about anything that goes on behind the scenes but BH is a good situation for a player of that magnitude.  BH has a winning culture.  But lets be honest tho, all of the extras whether it be positive or negative comes with the territory of high school athletics.  Carter is the type of player that it doesnt matter where she goes to school at, 1A to 6A, if she stays healthy her parents WONT be having to pay for college and isnt that the goal?  She plays on a big platform during the summer playing on a circuit team and this is where she is being evaluated. 

I think that Carter will be just fine where she is.  BH made a very good hire with Coach Harris.  Coach Harris has a State Championship with Manvel and has coached quite a few D-1 players including All-American and Notre Dame standout Brianna Turner.  Coach Harris has obviously given Carter the keys to the team and after the way he coached Makenzie Green for 4 years, I would definitely say that he knows what he is doing.  I see a lot of similarities between Carter and Green and Coach Harris in my opinion is coaching them the same, I would say tho that he has given more freedom to Carter then he did Green when she was a freshman.  Carter being at BH will help her in a lot of ways and prepare her for the big stage that she will play on in college namely in teaching her how to lead a team.  Now of course she will definitely need some help but BH always comes up with something lol. 

Good luck WO-S!! I believe that they can get it done and beat Livingston

On 2/15/2020 at 8:12 AM, BMTSoulja1 said:

Thanks yall.  There was rumblings that said that BU should've tanked this game because we'd avoid undefeated Cy-Creek in the 3rd round.  I say, if you gotta play those kind if teams, you're gonna play them sooner or later.  Lace em up and let's go...

The game against Cy-Creek should be a good one!  Cy-Creek has probably the best back court in the state with ESPN #20 Rori Harmon (2021) and #32 Kyndall Hunter (2021), and they are as advertised.  And I agree, you still gotta lace em up and play the game no matter the opponent.  

Coach Sneed has been a HUGE asset for HJ's basketball program and for the community!  

Didnt Orangefield lose some key players before the season started?

Their matchup Friday vs Carthage is HUGE now.  Jasper has to pull it out for a chance to still win district, if they win they will be tied with Carthage for first.  

I think you have to slow the game down.  Sprint back on defense and keep players in front of you, everyone else should have a foot in the lane....NO LAYUPS!!  Offensively you have to hit shots and dont be afraid to attack especially off of screens. Gotta make BH uncomfortable, they want more pace so you gotta take some of the air out of the ball lol.

I also think that it will be a 2 team race for the top spot between United and BH.  I think United will win this district tho, they will have more pieces while BH will probably have the best player with Carter even tho United's Anderson will also be in that discussion before its said and done.  I will take Crosby for the third spot based off of coaching, Coach Trotter will get that team going in the right direction.  Then the 4th spot will be a toss up.

23 hours ago, WOSgrad said:

21-6A

Atascocita

Beaumont West Brook

Galena Park North Shore

Humble

Humble Summer Creek

Kingwood

Sheldon C.E King

This district will be very competitive! 

23 hours ago, WOSgrad said:

23 hours ago, WOSgrad said:

21-4A

Hamshire-Fannett

Hardin-Jefferson

Huffman Hargrave

Liberty

Livingston

Shepherd

Splendora

 

I am not a fan of this district for HJ. But it is what it is, HJ will have to schedule a very tough preseason schedule.

IMO the thing to do would be to come together and sort out all ejections and techs, then if the situation or environment is still hostile clear the gym and finish the game with just players and coaches. 

HJ is really starting to gel together!  The way they share the ball is crazy!  And they defend!! Coach Fogo and Coach Sneed are brewing something special in Sour Lake.

I think that summer basketball can be a blessing and a curse.  In this day and time IMO summer play or AAU is highly beneficial in the recruitment of players because colleges arent beating down doors of high schools looking for talent unless they have already evaluated the player during the viewing periods at a NCAA certified tournament.  But how a lot of AAU organizations do things is NOT beneficial.  A lot of people out here use summer basketball as a money grab or a way to chase clout by being able to say that they had such and such on their team.  Yes playing in front of scouts during the NCAA viewing periods is what you need to do, but those are only a couple of weekends in April May and few days in July.  Playing in 12 to 15 tournaments is excessive!  When you look at the number of games that these players are playing it is amazing!  They play anywhere between 30 to 40 games in a high school season then turn around and play up to 60 games during the summer thats 80 to 100 games played in less than a year with NO rest in between.  That is way to much and the results that it brings is injuries.  Then on top of all of these games you have certain media outlets telling you that you need to come to this "elite" camp so that you can be evaluated or ranked.  When you get there all it is is nothing but some "trainers" putting you through some drills then the players play up to 6 games in front of these basketball "gurus".  All this does is put even more miles on a players body.  

Players must be able to get adequate rest!!  And honestly that is not being promoted by a lot all they tell you is that you have to be at this event or that event.  Honestly speaking tho AAU does provide the best way for a player to get exposure, but they must know that not EVERY team gets that exposure.  Just because the tournament flyer says that college scouts will be there doesnt mean that these scouts will be at courts to watch you play.  I think that both players and parents must do their homework before embarking on the path of playing in the summer on an AAU team.  Dont just fall for the hype of nice looking uniforms and team shoes!  Parents must also MAKE sure that their players get adequate rest.  What worked for me is making sure mine had weeks where she was not allowed to pick up a ball or even be in the gym.  Especially after that last viewing period in July I didnt let her touch a ball till school starts, she wasnt allowed to do anything but to be a kid lol.  Remember that YOU have ALL of the control over your player not that AAU guy.  Adequate rest and maintenance is essential for a player to get through the grinds of basketball and is very important for injury prevention.

26 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

In my complete opinion, it seems that schools locally are so hindered by not only numbers but by players with completely different skill sets it seems to me that it would be a nightmare to come up with something that your specific group of girls can actually do (system) from year to year.  It also seems that the reason so many girls teams in the area are so "pressure, steal, layup" oriented is because they may not have 5 kids capable of a conventional half-court basketball style of play.  Not sure.  Can your "shooters" create their own shots?  Because I wouldn't put it past a lot of these area schools to junk defense your shooters.  Do you do dribble drive stuff because you see a lot of man defense?  I love dribble drive stuff but I rarely see high school girls teams capable of doing it.  It's pretty much all what most NBA teams do nowadays.  If so that's kind of great.  That you see man AND you have the personnel necessary to run a dribble drive type of offense.  

You should come out and watch some games!  There are more half court offense teams in this area then you may think!  Now some teams do lack overall athleticism to just "pressure, steal, layup" but there definitely are some half court offenses being played.  Now what you dont see, is a lot of man to man defense in the area, only a handful of teams play it.  As far as being able to create their own shot, there are so many in the area, here is just a small list of some of them:

Ashlon Jackson - HJ                                       

Delana Carter - Barbers Hill

Kaden Morris - Lumberton

Jayda Argumon - Woodville

Jordyn Beatty - Woodville

Asia Mitchell - Jasper

Princess Anderson - United

Cassie Chavez - Legacy

Mollee Priddy - PNG

Faith Fregia - Orangefield

17 minutes ago, Coach.Shu said:

What teams/schools does HJ lil dribblers compete against?  

HJ usually has a good turnout for lil dribblers where they are able to put together about 6 teams or so.  If the numbers are down and they cant, then they get together with HF, Devers, Liberty Silsbee or whoever wants to play games.

17 minutes ago, Coach.Shu said:

here is another thought to get some discussion on the original topic.  Shooters vs scorers.  

Depends a little on the system they are in.   We are a pressure defense and dribble drive offensive team.  (if you can't dribble drive then your minutes are limited a little) We are trying to develop players that can drive, score, and shoot.     We have two players shooting about 30-35% from behind the line.  One has made 47 3's and the other has made 38 - (29 games) not sure how those numbers compare to the other "shooters" in the area but I know the opposing coach's yell "SHOOTER SHOOTER" every time one of them catches the ball... Lol 

 

Our gym is available a lot during the off season for our girls and the past 3 years we have had great turnout in numbers of girls that access it.   There has been a direct correlation between this group putting in work in the off-season and having team success in the season.

Yes shooters are different than scorers and yes it does has a lot to do with systems.  You guys have #15 and #22 who I think are shooters.  I love how you guys put one in each corner against zones.  You doing things the right way and making things accessible to your players and it is definitely paying off.

12 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

10-4.  And btw.. I can think of very few situations where girls can't access the gym during the summer.  I know that a lot of schools have volleyball nets up but that doesn't effect shooting or ball handling work.  They probably won't have access like being described at MM but it's there. 

And yeah.. I personally get tired of looking on this forum and can't even see scores posted.  Not that I have a vested interest but I usually like to keep up with all sports to an extent. 

Oh boy dont get me started on this lol.  Yes the girls may be able to walk in but as soon as they commit the "cardinal sin" of dribbling or shooting a basketball all hell breaks lose and they are made to get out because they may corrupt volleyball aspirations lol.  But that is a WHOLE different conversation.  I cant speak on everybody but i do know about a lot lol. 

52 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

I'm pretty certain that the cons far outweigh the pros in terms of little dribblers.  To be clear, I'm not advocating for ZERO youth basketball experience.  I definitely think that even bad experience can be better than no experience especially in terms of learning some concept of the game.  However, if a kid is relying on little dribbler ONLY for their skills training then they're going to be in a bind in the long run.  I'll guarantee you that there aren't many youth basketball programs that do it the way it should be done.  I personally think that all youth basketball coaches should attend at least one sort of seminar with the school's varsity head coach for ideas, useful drills, and maybe some preferred concepts to focus on every practice.  I'm fairly certain that no towns are doing that.  If so, please enlighten me.

I noticed you mentioned HJ.  I would never take anything away from their accomplishments or the volunteers coaching their youth sports.. but.. they have a player on their team with multiple big time D1 offers and another player on their team that had a father who was a varsity head coach for several years.  Is the youth program responsible for ALL of the success they're seeing?  Or do they maybe have some players that spend a huge amount of time working on the game outside of the season?

I completely agree with you!  Little dribblers IF used correctly can be a good START but must not be the ONLY avenue to use.  I can speak on HJ because i am highly familiar, and the fathers of those players were also involved with that group of girls' development more so Jackson's dad simply because he was there longer.  The other player's dad immediately became involved as soon as they moved to the area a few years ago.  Also they worked hand and hand with the varsity coaches in doing so, which is how its supposed to be done and my point when I said that its all about who is leading the way.  Coach Fogo and the powers that be have ALWAYS made the gyms accessible 24/7, if they away on vacation they still made sure that the gyms were open for the girls.  And because of this majority of the players of that group have spent countless hours in the gym over the years working on their games and have spent many summers even playing together.  All that work is the reason for their success, thats why they are such a joy to watch play.  Yes they do have a VERY dominant player but she has been right there with that group since 1st grade and when they got older and she is away during the summer playing with her national team, the others were still in the gym getting better so when they all got together it is definitely fun to watch!

1 hour ago, oldschool2 said:

I have a lot of friends in the coaching world on every level all the way up to college.  I think you're grossly underestimating how much gym availability these kids have during the summer.  

I do also, thats why I am able to say that the ones who do make gyms available are greatly outnumbered by the ones who dont especially for girls in our area. Or they say its gonna be open gym but lets be honest.....it is primarily for the boys.  Then the girls have to "get in where they fit in" which in that case some will but most wont. 

29 minutes ago, Jacks03 said:

2 Shooters that have been overlooked are Jayda Argumon and Shannon Whitehead from Woodville.  Whitehead has unlimited range with her 3 pter and Argumon has the ability to shoot the mid range as well as the 3 Ball with an absolute pure shot. 

I like both of those players!  I completely agree with you on Whitehead being a shooter, however I would put Argumon in the scorers category especially in the role that she plays for Woodville.

1 hour ago, oldschool2 said:

No argument here.  In fact, I think little dribblers is the single biggest contributor to bad basketball in rural America.  Kids don't learn anything except bad habits.  Girls especially (with shooting) are often times not big enough or strong enough at very young ages to get the ball to the rim so they are encouraged to get it up there however they can.  That's so detrimental.  Small school basketball is a cesspool of 2 handed shooting, right handed dribbling, and stupid fouls / tie-ups. It's hard for me to even watch high school basketball anymore (locally) because I just stay mad the entire time. 

Little dribblers can also be a very instrumental tool for the development of kids.  It just depends on the people who are leading the way.  Now finding people who are knowledgeable in basketball fundamentals and are able to teach them is an entirely different subject lol.  I cant speak on every small school in the area but I know for a fact that for schools like HJ little dribblers was VERY beneficial.  Fundamentals were emphasized and taught to those girls at an early age (form shooting, man to man defense with no hands, passing etc) and those things are paying off for them.  Now I do agree that little dribblers can also be the reason for lack of knowledge and bad habits for a lot of girl players but I put that on the people who are involved with their development.

Everyone is making great points and I am extremely happy that we are even discussing girls basketball, because in our area the culture for girls basketball isnt very strong or is vastly under valued. 

4 hours ago, oldschool2 said:

Piss poor excuse.  I didn't have a shooting machine and made more three pointers in the state than any kid that played.  Any classification.  

Larry Bird didn't have a shooting machine either.. in fact.. it was because of him exactly why I was able to shoot so well.  He said one time when asked what needed to be done to become a great shooter like him: "Wake up before the sun comes up and shoot game shots until school starts, go in the gym during lunch and shoot game shots while your opponents eat, stay after practice and shoot game shots until it's time to eat/sleep.  Repeat everyday.  Do that, and you may be able to shoot as well as I can."

I too am from the pre shooting machine era lol, but I think that this can also allude to a bigger problem, and that is exactly how much is that type of work ethic actually being promoted. Now times have definitely changed since our days and that is ok. But outside of the 1% or less of girl players who are willing to work on their craft NO MATTER WHAT or have put in countless hours in the summer developing their craft whether its AAU or just skill training,  how many are there to encourage or make things accessible for the girls to get better.  Im not saying every Coach doesnt want their players to get better, but there are some who talk that good talk but when players actually reach out during the summer or off season in an effort to get in the gym to get better....nothing is accessible.  How many Coaches actually took advantage of UIL's new rule concerning off season and summer skill training?  Now i know some are gonna say that if the kids cant get in the gym then just go to the neighborhood park or put up shots in their driveways but lets be realistic....in these days and times it probably wont happen.

1 hour ago, OneChance said:

I’ll be a homer, my kid (Mollee Priddy) has one of the nicest looking shots you will see, but sometimes her shot is off and then she just becomes a scorer.

I agree! Priddy does have a nice looking stroke. I just considered her to be more of a scorer tho.