Bigdog

[quote name="Boneyard Boys" post="1377158" timestamp="1361458112"] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=109276.msg1374915#msg1374915 date=1360986716] [quote author=Razor link=topic=109276.msg1374897#msg1374897 date=1360985181] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=109276.msg1374825#msg1374825 date=1360981092] [quote author=Razor link=topic=109276.msg1374803#msg1374803 date=1360978682] no doubt that png is our rival, however, indian faithful, the rivalry would be a bit more fun if you guys played along...this year's game really was about as uninteresting as any I have been to and IMO it was mostly because you guys had resigned yourself to being hammered...it seemed to me that png played "not to lose" rather than trying to win and it made for a very uninteresting game. vidor, please stop with the rivalry junk...you aren't Nederland's rival today, you weren't yesterday and won't be tomorrow...you guys just had 2 of your best teams ever and still fell short both times...go strike up something with LCM or somebody who doesn't have a real rival...heck that should work since I hear that LCM wants to be png's rival (and can't)...it can be the "We really want a rival" bowl. (here is where rob chimes in) [/quote] Hey don't be acting like we started this. We have kept out mouths shut cuz someone is too scared to be our rival. It was your guys who did this razor. [/quote] ...or mytwocents chimes in...why would Nederland be scared to be vidors rival...the overall record is EXTREMELY lopsided in Nederland's favor...and Nederland does not "start" talk of a rivalry with vidor...vidor spews hatred and animosity towards Nederland and Nederland just keeps beating vidor. [/quote] Look who started the thread man. Come on man. Hatred and animosity?? Really?? [/quote] The hatred and animosity is coming from Nederland, remember you are the ones who vandalized our school before the game. [Hidden Content] [/quote] Whatever, there is no proof it was anyone from Nederland, in fact didn't they question some Vidor students??

Not to mention installing a system, hiring assistants ( if needed) and evaluating players.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1376838" timestamp="1361396825"] NED Vidor PNG [b]Central[/b] ***per today*** [/quote] I don't know BG, since there are currently no BISD coaches running a 4a program right now, its getting late in the year!

[quote name="cougar14" post="1376359" timestamp="1361334834"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109433.msg1376351#msg1376351 date=1361334357] [quote author=cougar14 link=topic=109433.msg1376331#msg1376331 date=1361333027] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109433.msg1375435#msg1375435 date=1361199164] [quote author=fisherman2 link=topic=109433.msg1375419#msg1375419 date=1361190273] Kelly getting back on the winning track did nothing for them! I am still 100% sure they are better than every team ahead of them besides Kountze. [/quote]Since the rankings are not comparing apples to apples, they should be based on the 'eyeball' method rather than wins/losses, IMO. Hard to do when there are so many teams to watch for consideration of the rankings. Nobody has seen Crosby or Humble play more than one game a piece, yet their number of wins place them high in the rankings since they were both 15-1 in district. I guess Crosby is ahead of Humbe bc they won the coin flip for the 1st seed! ;D [b]Humble won at Crosby early in district. Crosby won at Humble late in district, so Crosby is AHEAD by two spots. [/b] Ozen won at Ned early in district. Ned won at Ozen late in district, however Ned is two spots BEHIND Ozen. Ned also beat Silsbee twice, yet Silsbee is ahead of Ned. Also , HJ beat Ned, yet HJ is behind Ned in the rankings. They don't always make sense, but I realize they are just opinions. Kelly will never have a chance to prove they are better than the other schools bc they won't play this year. Again, way too hard to compare apples to oranges. Now that the playoffs are here, everyone has a chance to prove how good they really are! 8) [/quote]Crosby finished second because we lost AT Humble by two points and won at home by 12. Looks like y'all proved their point anyway with an 8 point loss to the 3rd place 20-4a team. [/quote]Huh?? Loss to a 3rd pl team?? We beat a #1 team by 8 who lost a flip and was seeded 2nd. [/quote]Ned finished 3rd in 20-4a but I was talking about why you said Crosby was in front of Humble. We lost in Humble by 2 pts and won at Crosby by 12 pts. Maybe we beat the sense of y'all so bad in football your memory is still bad. [Hidden Content]-(crosby,tx)/basketball/schedule.htm [/quote] You might need to revisit the football board and check the Ned vs Crosby score before you pop off.

[quote name="cougar14" post="1376349" timestamp="1361334127"] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=109433.msg1376334#msg1376334 date=1361333256] [quote author=cougar14 link=topic=109433.msg1376331#msg1376331 date=1361333027] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109433.msg1375435#msg1375435 date=1361199164] [quote author=fisherman2 link=topic=109433.msg1375419#msg1375419 date=1361190273] Kelly getting back on the winning track did nothing for them! I am still 100% sure they are better than every team ahead of them besides Kountze. [/quote]Since the rankings are not comparing apples to apples, they should be based on the 'eyeball' method rather than wins/losses, IMO. Hard to do when there are so many teams to watch for consideration of the rankings. Nobody has seen Crosby or Humble play more than one game a piece, yet their number of wins place them high in the rankings since they were both 15-1 in district. I guess Crosby is ahead of Humbe bc they won the coin flip for the 1st seed! ;D [b]Humble won at Crosby early in district. Crosby won at Humble late in district, so Crosby is AHEAD by two spots. [/b] Ozen won at Ned early in district. Ned won at Ozen late in district, however Ned is two spots BEHIND Ozen. Ned also beat Silsbee twice, yet Silsbee is ahead of Ned. Also , HJ beat Ned, yet HJ is behind Ned in the rankings. They don't always make sense, but I realize they are just opinions. Kelly will never have a chance to prove they are better than the other schools bc they won't play this year. Again, way too hard to compare apples to oranges. Now that the playoffs are here, everyone has a chance to prove how good they really are! 8) [/quote]Crosby finished second because we lost AT Humble by two points and won at home by 12. Looks like y'all proved their point anyway with an 8 point loss to the 3rd place 20-4a team. [/quote] [b]And you squeaked by the fourth place team.  Whats your point?[/b][/quote]Point is with both teams having nearly identical bodies of work there's a ten point +- differential for Crosby. I guess you think Ned squeaked by Humble too since y'all only won by 8? I wouldn't call a 9 point win a squeak though. Crosby unfortunately played to their competition instead of winning that on by 15 as they should have, look at PN-G's body of work and you can see they played up to theirs. Like I said before though, good job by the Indians even making it that close. [/quote] We beat the 15-1 (28-8) team,  by 8.  You beat a team that was fourth place and was 7-7 and 12-18.

[quote name="cougar14" post="1376331" timestamp="1361333027"] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=109433.msg1375435#msg1375435 date=1361199164] [quote author=fisherman2 link=topic=109433.msg1375419#msg1375419 date=1361190273] Kelly getting back on the winning track did nothing for them! I am still 100% sure they are better than every team ahead of them besides Kountze. [/quote]Since the rankings are not comparing apples to apples, they should be based on the 'eyeball' method rather than wins/losses, IMO. Hard to do when there are so many teams to watch for consideration of the rankings. Nobody has seen Crosby or Humble play more than one game a piece, yet their number of wins place them high in the rankings since they were both 15-1 in district. I guess Crosby is ahead of Humbe bc they won the coin flip for the 1st seed! ;D [b]Humble won at Crosby early in district. Crosby won at Humble late in district, so Crosby is AHEAD by two spots. [/b] Ozen won at Ned early in district. Ned won at Ozen late in district, however Ned is two spots BEHIND Ozen. Ned also beat Silsbee twice, yet Silsbee is ahead of Ned. Also , HJ beat Ned, yet HJ is behind Ned in the rankings. They don't always make sense, but I realize they are just opinions. Kelly will never have a chance to prove they are better than the other schools bc they won't play this year. Again, way too hard to compare apples to oranges. Now that the playoffs are here, everyone has a chance to prove how good they really are! 8) [/quote]Crosby finished second because we lost AT Humble by two points and won at home by 12. Looks like y'all proved their point anyway with an 8 point loss to the 3rd place 20-4a team. [/quote] And you squeaked by the fourth place team.  Whats your point?

[quote name="cougar14" post="1376307" timestamp="1361331403"] Come on SC, y'all have nearly twice the kids Ozen does. Don't tell me Sharp is all y'all got over there. [/quote] Sounds like it.  19-4a has only one left in the playoffs.

[quote name="Farmer Fran" post="1376082" timestamp="1361316070"] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=108568.msg1376074#msg1376074 date=1361315479] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=108568.msg1376062#msg1376062 date=1361313013] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=108568.msg1376028#msg1376028 date=1361309375] There have already been two HJ threads locked, my advise is to stick to the topic and knock off the personal stuff or this one will follow the other two. [/quote] We are sticking to the topic!! Who's getting personal? [/quote] I am not going to back through all of the pages and list it for you.  I saw several comments that were out of line. Sure boss!!! Anything you say boss!! ;D [/quote] Check your pms Farmer Fran.

[quote name="Farmer Fran" post="1376062" timestamp="1361313013"] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=108568.msg1376028#msg1376028 date=1361309375] There have already been two HJ threads locked, my advise is to stick to the topic and knock off the personal stuff or this one will follow the other two. [/quote] We are sticking to the topic!! Who's getting personal? [/quote] I am not going to back through all of the pages and list it for you.  I saw several comments that were out of line.

There have already been two HJ threads locked, my advise is to stick to the topic and knock off the personal stuff or this one will follow the other two.

This topic has been moved to [url=[Hidden Content] School Boys Basketball[/url]. [iurl][Hidden Content]]

[quote name="badndn" post="1375839" timestamp="1361296257"] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=109428.msg1375802#msg1375802 date=1361292287] [quote author=DOGS1988 link=topic=109428.msg1375749#msg1375749 date=1361287918] This will probably not happen anytime soon but here goes.... 1.  Switch the Home side with Visitor side and have the sun at our backs. 2.  Improve the Pressbox and BATHROOM situation. 3.  Better lighting under and around the stands, I personally saw several elderly people fall because they couldn't see the walkways under the stands. 4.  IMPROVE the parking!!!!!! 5.  I feel like I am wasting my time so I'm not mentioning anything else.  ;D [/quote] You pretty much covered it, although I don't know about switching sides.  If turf is put down they could use some or all of the field next to the stadium for parking. [/quote] How about building a new stadium next to the actual high school. Nederland would probably spend just as much money with all of the renovations as it would if they started from scratch. They deserve a nice stadium on campus...course they kinda deserve a new campus also!  ;D [/quote] I think that has been discussed.  There would have to be improvements made to 18th st and Canal to handle the traffic though.

[quote name="DOGS1988" post="1375749" timestamp="1361287918"] This will probably not happen anytime soon but here goes.... 1.  Switch the Home side with Visitor side and have the sun at our backs. 2.  Improve the Pressbox and BATHROOM situation. 3.  Better lighting under and around the stands, I personally saw several elderly people fall because they couldn't see the walkways under the stands. 4.  IMPROVE the parking!!!!!! 5.  I feel like I am wasting my time so I'm not mentioning anything else.  ;D [/quote] You pretty much covered it, although I don't know about switching sides.  If turf is put down they could use some or all of the field next to the stadium for parking.

Enough!  Locked.  Bedelmon , last warning about attacking posters.

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1374692" timestamp="1360961531"] Sounds like someone is scared to be Vidor's new rival.  ;D  ;D  8) [/quote] Keep telling yourself that. or shall i bring up records?

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[quote name="mytwocents" post="1374620" timestamp="1360951707"] Good lord what has this world come to? Elementary schools?? Really?? [/quote] Thats why its a big rivalry, twocents.

Ain't that the truth! :)

Knock it off. There is no reason for this thread.  >:(

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1373944" timestamp="1360805247"] [quote author=mytwocents link=topic=109276.msg1373940#msg1373940 date=1360804715] Oh dang buddy. I think you just started a war. But I would love to see a Nederland Pam game. That would definitely be an interesting thread. That's for sure. [/quote] I feel like if PNG can summon up enough nerve power to at least scrimmage PAM (both scrimmages in which were very physical) I would think a great program like their fellow Mid-County counterparts would at least play a pre-district game versus them. They used to play TJ when i was younger [b]and TJ was 5A[/b] so that excuse is out the window.  ;) It would make for a great rivalry IMO, way better than PAM vs Central or PAM vs Ozen. [/quote] You are starting this again?  Nederland was 5A with TJ in the 80s.  And 4A in the 90s.  Maybe they played a couple of years between when Ned moved down and TJ moved down , but that was it. 

[quote name="mytwocents" post="1373816" timestamp="1360787290"] Finally a Nederland fan who admits it. Where is Ron when you need him lmao. [/quote] Admitted what?

LOL.  Don't start this again, its not even football season yet!

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1371148" timestamp="1360270930"] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=108974.msg1371144#msg1371144 date=1360270592] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108974.msg1371130#msg1371130 date=1360269890] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=108974.msg1371121#msg1371121 date=1360269362] I don't disagree, but talent wise he had more to work with.  I think that is the point that others are trying to make.  It wasn't exactly a blank slate like Ned and Vidor. [/quote] OK, but would you agree that Westbrook, Silsbee, and Central for example ALL had talented enough teams to win or even GO to state, but did not make it? It takes MORE than talent alone to win it all...Coaching plays a HUGE factor in winning big. Particularly at the 4A and 5A level...These guys REFUSE to acknowledge what was done by him was special over the years, by making the excuse of built in talent as if NO WORK was involved..THAT is what burns my hide about it! >:( [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108974.msg1371122#msg1371122 date=1360269496] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108974.msg1371115#msg1371115 date=1360268833] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=108974.msg1371114#msg1371114 date=1360268672] Your barking up the wrong tree DV. No one is saying Boutte can't coach.  He has proven himself. [/quote] Proven himself more than once at at multiple schools, and with different groups of kids, and with different levels of talent....And saying that he couldn't do what English did at Vidor is utterly ridiculous...The guy's resume speaks for itself. [/quote] Nobody is questioning Mr. Bouttes ability to coach.  What is being questioned is your suggestion/inference that he is the Messiah and that nobody can compare to him.  You are simply wrong about that.  He would not have had the same degree of success( in terms of titles- which seems to be your only barometer) if he had taken jobs at Dayton and Liberty instead of Lincoln and Ozen.  Also, why is his stint at Kountze never discussed by you? [/quote] He was at Kountze from 87-89...He did well there, just had not won state yet in HIS FIRST TWO YEARS OF COACHING, period...Right out of college, mind you...Come on! :o...However, went to Lincoln, went to state, won it all twice and NO ONE ELSE did it after he left...Gamble came out of retirement and went to Austin in 99....ANOTHER great coach...If it were Sutherland, you would be on here talking about what a MAGNIFICENT achievement it was....typical... ::) [/quote] I am not questioning that coaching has a lot to do with it, in fact that is the my point.  I am also not saying that English is a better coach.  my point is that Boutte had more to work with from that start at Ozen, and wasn't exactly hurting at Lincoln either, as they had already one 4 or 5 Championships by the time he got there. ( I don't know when he started at Lincoln)  ,  Also quit trying to make this a racial issue. [/quote] A racial issue? HOW? :o...Are you saying that starting a BRAND NEW high school is "working with" something? He had what Beaumont ALWAYS had!! and they had not won a title since Hebert in 1982. [/quote] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108974.msg1371564#msg1371564 date=1360346201] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108974.msg1371555#msg1371555 date=1360345768] Believe it or not, there is a position located between "highly" and "lowly"(when it comes to self perception) and you might find it an attractive position to embrace. [/quote] I do realize that some of you "old fashioned, SE Texas way" thinkers may want a person of my "persuasion" to be meek and mild, but I'm just not that guy...I know who I am, I know what I am worth, and no one will tell me different. I am at the top of the food chain, as far as my family, career, knowledge, and wealth go, (Praise God) and some "old fashioned, SE Texas thinkers" just cannot get used to that fact. Not my problem... ;)..Now...lets get back on topic!! ;) [/quote] You still trying to say you are not making this about race?  After that comment?  Get back on topic.

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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1371130" timestamp="1360269890"] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=108974.msg1371121#msg1371121 date=1360269362] I don't disagree, but talent wise he had more to work with.  I think that is the point that others are trying to make.  It wasn't exactly a blank slate like Ned and Vidor. [/quote] OK, but would you agree that Westbrook, Silsbee, and Central for example ALL had talented enough teams to win or even GO to state, but did not make it? It takes MORE than talent alone to win it all...Coaching plays a HUGE factor in winning big. Particularly at the 4A and 5A level...These guys REFUSE to acknowledge what was done by him was special over the years, by making the excuse of built in talent as if NO WORK was involved..THAT is what burns my hide about it! >:( [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=108974.msg1371122#msg1371122 date=1360269496] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=108974.msg1371115#msg1371115 date=1360268833] [quote author=bigdog link=topic=108974.msg1371114#msg1371114 date=1360268672] Your barking up the wrong tree DV. No one is saying Boutte can't coach.  He has proven himself. [/quote] Proven himself more than once at at multiple schools, and with different groups of kids, and with different levels of talent....And saying that he couldn't do what English did at Vidor is utterly ridiculous...The guy's resume speaks for itself. [/quote] Nobody is questioning Mr. Bouttes ability to coach.  What is being questioned is your suggestion/inference that he is the Messiah and that nobody can compare to him.  You are simply wrong about that.  He would not have had the same degree of success( in terms of titles- which seems to be your only barometer) if he had taken jobs at Dayton and Liberty instead of Lincoln and Ozen.  Also, why is his stint at Kountze never discussed by you? [/quote] He was at Kountze from 87-89...He did well there, just had not won state yet in HIS FIRST TWO YEARS OF COACHING, period...Right out of college, mind you...Come on! :o...However, went to Lincoln, went to state, won it all twice and NO ONE ELSE did it after he left...Gamble came out of retirement and went to Austin in 99....ANOTHER great coach...If it were Sutherland, you would be on here talking about what a MAGNIFICENT achievement it was....typical... ::) [/quote] I am not questioning that coaching has a lot to do with it, in fact that is the my point.  I am also not saying that English is a better coach.  my point is that Boutte had more to work with from that start at Ozen, and wasn't exactly hurting at Lincoln either, as they had already one 4 or 5 Championships by the time he got there. ( I don't know when he started at Lincoln)  ,  Also quit trying to make this a racial issue.