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[quote name="TEL" post="990332" timestamp="1301463687"] What are your thoughts on High School kids throwing 100 pitches or more in a game? I was basically told I was ignorant for speaking up about this. Anyone in 19-4A remember what happened to Smesney from Dayton when he got to Angelina after throwing 100+ on several outings? Why take a chance with a kids future? [b]Should parents not be able to speak up about the welfare of their children or others?[/b] [/quote] not if they're hurtin'...

[quote name="bbjunkie" post="988085" timestamp="1301069784"] Who take it and why?  Seems like the winner is in the driver seat in the district. Got to assume it will be Stallings (Splendora) vs West or DeBerry (Huffman). Good luck to both teams. [/quote] Didn't Stallings throw alot of pitches Tuesday in the win over Coldspring? Either way, Splendora is scrappy, can they give Huffman a game in Splendora? After two blowout wins might the Falcons take one for granted?

[quote name="jettyman" post="981334" timestamp="1299878643"] This statement is not not intended to create controversy but awareness.  Without a doubt, the world is a imperfect environment, therefore, our children need to be prepared to deal with adversity and less than ideal situations. School and athletics are a practice for the real world that lies beyond school and sports (employment). As a former coach and a current educator I have diligently tried to instill the following qualities in my kids: Integrity, Humbleness, Loyalty, give a 100% and never give up. Also, as a parent I have tried to always back the teacher or coach even if the situation is less than ideal.  On the other hand, if I thought my sons health were in jeopardy I would immediately intervene. Otherwise, I advise my kids to respect authority and if they thought it was bad enough go speak with the coach or teacher themselves. I have many times bitten my tongue enduring a long season. Consequently, I truly believe if I publicly or at home bashed the coach or teacher then my sons would never respect that individual. If respect is never established then there will be conflict which results in hard feelings then discontent. Life lesson: If my son goes to work and he is unhappy with his boss for whatever reasons, he has been taught there are 2 options: [b]Find employment elsewhere[/b] or endure, adapt and conform. It does not take a legend for our kids to be winners. If they give their best ,learn to adapt, no matter the situation they will be better in long run. In conclusion, be careful for what wish for because change does not always guarantee happiness. Bluedove, I have heard that you are a very good person but I feel the need to stand for our profession. No hard feelings and I hope to meet in person and have meaningful conversation. [/quote] jetty i agree with MOST of what you're saying, especially, to paraphrase, "the devil you know" aspect. but there comes a time when you'd rather take a chance with the devil you don't know. in real life people DO have the option of finding different employment if they can't cope with their boss, or perhaps address the situation with HIS boss. but kids can't really do that at school so it puts them in somewhat of an unfair disadvantage. thats why it's incumbent on the administrations to make wise choices about who handles our children in the first place. i'm speaking in generalities as you were, i'm not calling a particular coach "the devil" or saying anybody was doing a bad job. you're right kids do need to learn to adapt and "conform" (to a lesser degree), but there are limits, and again they don't really have the option of "shopping around". people shouldn't have to uproot their lives and families to get away from a bad situation, in fact, UIL specifically regulates that....just saying.

[quote name="stevenash" post="976540" timestamp="1299174975"] [quote author=speechless link=topic=81003.msg976515#msg976515 date=1299173165] yep cause hj gonna just flat run outta pg's when gus leaves ::) [/quote] Yeah, and HJ is having a down year, the talent pool is dry, and they will probably discontinue basketball. [/quote] nah, i hear bluedove is house shopping somewhere north and west  :o

It's hard not to like HJ basketball....Congrats to the Hawks again.

How are first base times measured? From ball impact to foot on first? From recoil (bat drop) to foot on first? My guess would be from impact since that's what matters, but I don't know so I'm putting it out there. What are good times at the high school level?

Tarkington 8-4

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="974218" timestamp="1298931807"] I listened to it on Friday night after I got home from the game.  We got loud but it was good, I just need to turn it down so it does not go out so loud!!!!  Keep doing what your doing Poppa........although at one time I thought that the roof was caving in.......Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god!!!!  It was classic!!!!   ;D ;D ;D [/quote] when i heard it i fully expected to hear "ohhhhh the humanity of it all...!!"

having seen them play, i honestly think cleveland was better last year, they do have some great players, don't get me wrong but i believe they will be in for a short run once again.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="966263" timestamp="1297748011"] [quote author=hitchpin link=topic=80276.msg966260#msg966260 date=1297747443] yeah it would i think, they didn't let garbage fouls go, they called what was obvious without getting ticky tack and kept the game under control, unlike most games this year where the refs let it get out of hand early and then start throwing techs out like candy in a parade. i didn't see any tempers flare which usually happens when they just let the kids "play". there were bonus free throws in both halves on both sides so it wasn't like they weren't calling anything. they called traveling when it was traveling, the only thing they let go was kids slapping the backboard on a shot but i'm not even sure thats a violation these days. [/quote]Wow!  Ref's that call the game as they actually see it!!! Incredible!  And not letting any biases creep into their calls. Maybe that can become the norm rather than the exception.... I don't know.... come to think of it, it will never work.  ;) [/quote] :D

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="966256" timestamp="1297746873"] [quote author=hitchpin link=topic=80276.msg966253#msg966253 date=1297746655] [quote author=Cowboys1981 link=topic=80276.msg966187#msg966187 date=1297740919] 86-48 [/quote] ok, technically (or more accurately ACCURATELY) it was 86-60, the interesting part of this game was that the refs didn't show up so some qualified refs were pulled off the sidelines.... get this, one of them is the father of a cleveland player, one of them the father of one of the tarkington players girlfriend and well known by several other players, and the other i think someone with a cleveland connection. [b]BEST CALLED GAME I'VE SEEN THIS YEAR[/b], sure they missed a few but no big deal, NO BIAS, and we rarely get that in a game with refs that shouldn't have any interest.  :D. good job guys. [/quote]Would it presumptuous to summarize your post with "the refs let the kids play"? [/quote] yeah it would i think, they didn't let garbage fouls go, they called what was obvious without getting ticky tack and kept the game under control, unlike most games this year where the refs let it get out of hand early and then start throwing techs out like candy in a parade. i didn't see any tempers flare which usually happens when they just let the kids "play". there were bonus free throws in both halves on both sides so it wasn't like they weren't calling anything. they called traveling when it was traveling, the only thing they let go was kids slapping the backboard on a shot but i'm not even sure thats a violation these days.

[quote name="Cowboys1981" post="966187" timestamp="1297740919"] 86-48 [/quote] ok, technically (or more accurately ACCURATELY) it was 86-60, the interesting part of this game was that the refs didn't show up so some qualified refs were pulled off the sidelines.... get this, one of them is the father of a cleveland player, one of them the father of one of the tarkington players girlfriend and well known by several other players, and the other i think someone with a cleveland connection. [b]BEST CALLED GAME I'VE SEEN THIS YEAR[/b], sure they missed a few but no big deal, NO BIAS, and we rarely get that in a game with refs that shouldn't have any interest.  :D. good job guys.

[quote name="6thman" post="960876" timestamp="1296786310"] [quote author=LilBobcatMom link=topic=79404.msg957581#msg957581 date=1296395020] [quote author=Team Game link=topic=79404.msg957193#msg957193 date=1296314273] Why would it be considered acceptable to use profanity in a coaching situation. In reality, coaching is "teaching" a sport and there would be issues if the teachers were using it in the classroom. There would be all source of discipline if the students/athletes were using it as well. It all comes down to respect and being responsible as leaders. [/quote] I agree.  HS coaches *should* conduct themselves with the same professional behavior that a teacher would since they are employed within the education system and many also teach classes. That being said, I think there are different "degrees" of profanity.  I probably wouldn't be bothered by (and might not even notice) a coach hollering "move your a$$", but I would have a problem with something like "lazy SOB" or "worthless m.f."  Cussing directly AT someone is not motivating. [/quote] Profanity is profanity no different levels!! It SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN in school sports at ALL!!!  [size=12pt][b]If a coach need to yell profanity or belittle his players he/she is not much of a coach!!![/b][/size] How will he gain more respect and motivation with this kind of behavior!!! If you think a coach should use these tactic should his players cuss him back while answering him? "Attitude reflects leadership" [/quote] :D  ::)

Tarkington 77-62

[quote name="mfd814" post="958924" timestamp="1296593456"] [b]Safety concerns for travel of players and fans. [/b]   Hardin at Warren, sub varsity cancelled,    Boys Varsity play at 5pm, Girls Varsity to follow, its Warren's girls Senior night, so boys will play 1st tonight.  [/quote] well i tried reckoning that, but roads are fine according to txdot and if it were safety why just cancel sub-varsity and not all? thanks for the response nonetheless.

are games being postponed/canceled due to travel conditions? most games are played indoors and with no threat of rain roads should be good.......what am i missing here? i'm sure theres some rationale i'm just not seeing it.

[quote name="nuthinbutnet" post="957583" timestamp="1296395718"] As a player I was cursed at during practices and in the locker room, but never on the floor. I have since seen coaches curse at players during games. Does it happen, yes. Does it happen in the real world? Yes. I find it interesting that when a person askes the other at work if he/she curses at home in front of the kids, most of of the time they say no. So, why then do they think it is acceptable to do it all? Why then does a coach, which let us not forget one of the roles of a coach is to be a ROLE MODEL, do it even on the floor during a game? [b]The definition of profanity is: "Profanity is a weak mind trying to express itself strongly."[/b] Enough said. [/quote] that's not a definition, that's a quote, huge difference.

[quote name="Wildcatter" post="957310" timestamp="1296329956"] If in a baseball game the ball reaches the defensive players glove before the runner touches the base is he? a.  safe b.  out c.  don't know d.  know the call, but the kid hasn't had a hit, he runs slow but sure is cute so therefore I rule him safe as my interpretation of the rule. Why should it be any different in baskeball?  You are not there to interpret you are there to enforce the rule. [/quote] he's out. did this land in the wrong thread? i miss the reference.

there seems to be three distinct lines of thought here: 1.) it's ok and necessary ALL the time 2.) it's ok here and there if used judiciously 3.) it's NEVER ok maybe it should just be a poll. i guessed the option 3 folks would come out in the AM  :D i think it depends on the coach AND the kids. but to say a coach doesn't have good character because he uses option 2 is unfair, and i don't think one NECESSARILY needs to use it, but the whole rational is shock factor, to get attention, to make a point. if used judiciously it can be a very effective device.

[quote name="Two-Dogs..." post="955897" timestamp="1296158951"] So under what circumstances would a ref end up taking the ride to austin? It seems to me there is no way that happens in reality. [/quote] thats a good question. i've been careful to avoid "specifics" in my posts, so i'll keep this is vague as possible because this thread is about changing the system (or at least some viewpoints that believe it should be changed) not lashing out about one particular incident. this is what i saw tonight - no material impact on game, losing team just got beat, but to add insult to injury : in pretty much a blow out game a personal foul "miss-assigned" to a player (losing team) who was around nobody when the whistle was blown. apparently it was corrected eventually, but its not the first time this year this has happened. refs should be looking at [b]jerseys not faces[/b], some of our players "look similar", that shouldn't be penalized. i'll note that the "fouler" was under the goal and had a player piggy back riding him on a rebound attempt when he tried to dismount the rider with an elbow trying to get the offender off his back (he had just been forearmed in the back of the head) and the late whistle came after the opposing coach pointed it out to official (watch the game film coach, your guy was in the wrong, applauding that call showed alot of class-not). same game a few plays later. personal foul called on player A (losing team), not a hard foul, typical holding foul on a breakaway layup. fouled player mouths to "fouler" and bumps into fouler. tech is called. we thought it was on the player who was fouled running his jaw but no, turns out it's on the fouler who is walking away from confrontation (if he "said" anything i don't see how any official could have heard him based on their positions). [b]this is where it gets good[/b]. tech is assigned to another player (who contacts no one anywhere in the play or after), who if he hadn't hustled his butt off to even get down court wouldn't even have been in the picture (theres some reward for you). just so happens to be same player who was ridden like a fair pony a few plays before, same official making the call....hmmmmm. it gets better. team has new policy that if they get teched up they sit remainder of game and whole of next game. and even though the coach KNEW there had been an error benched him shortly after and his one game suspension is "pending". so an official, without recourse, has carelessly and wrongfully caused a kid hustling his butt off for a team that quite regularly gets drummed to sit part of a game and possibly the entire next game. somebody needs to be blowing that whistle when they use the toilet because he is obviously either biased or incompetent. in retrospect thats lashing out a little, but come on, how about some accountability.... ps - should add that until tonight i've seen a few fairly well called games in row, i guess its feast and famine. missing a call is one thing, calling the wrong number (especially when its called to your attention) seems fairly inexcusable.

[quote name="FanintheStands" post="957092" timestamp="1296280384"] [quote author=hitchpin link=topic=79473.msg957087#msg957087 date=1296280059] [quote author=Wildcatter link=topic=79473.msg957082#msg957082 date=1296279432] regular striped white and black [/quote]UIL thanks, well who is in the light grey with black stripes? [/quote] [/quote] blank reply Fan, does that mean white = light grey?

[quote name="Wildcatter" post="957082" timestamp="1296279432"] regular striped white and black [/quote] thanks, well who is in the light grey with black stripes?

what color shirts are TASO?

[quote name="Eagle11" post="957035" timestamp="1296277042"] [quote author=6thman link=topic=79404.msg956995#msg956995 date=1296274946] [quote author=HAWKS24 link=topic=79404.msg956617#msg956617 date=1296252998] whatever it takes to get the point across [/quote] This is what is wrong with our country today excepting this kind of behavior. How do you expect the players to give the coach and administrators respect if they don't get any and everyone thinks its ok as long as you are getting your "point across". This is not the way a coach should conduct him/herself. It doesn't take cursing anyone to get your point accross. This is unexceptable behavior!!!! [/quote] I am with you 6thman........I think it weak character. [/quote] i knew 6th wouldn't be on that island all alone for long  :D

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="956615" timestamp="1296252432"] What's ur take? [/quote] you talking practice, game, where everybody can hear or whispered? we talking about the "a" word or the "f" word? there'll be a ton of "thats not acceptable" either way, lets hear some pros and cons. i'd be happy if my kid's coach would just yell at him......an emphatic "come on daisy" can go a long way sometimes. ps-i predict this thread will last 2 weeks on the front page