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  1. DEER IN SOUTHEAST TEXAS 13 INCH OR GREATER SPREAD

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    If there are several small acreage landowners that are like minded in their management aproach, like in our area then you can manage several small tracts like a large tract if allowed.

    Taking inferior deer will improve the herd...that is a fact.  It's a practice that all good leases follow.

    The quality of the deer in south Texas is not because they applied the 13" rule in years past.  I'm not saying it didn't help but the biggest impact is allowing the good quality deer to mature and removing the culls.

    And even if a deer did manage to reach 13" after 3 1/2 or 4 1/2 years, its not the type of deer I would want in the gene pool.  I'm sure some oppose the rule because they want to kill anything with horns, but that's not my reasons.

  3. DEER IN SOUTHEAST TEXAS 13 INCH OR GREATER SPREAD

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    [quote name="Bucof2010" post="910882" timestamp="1289945445"]
    A lot of the leases have been doing the same thing it has nothing to do with public or private land.
    [/quote]

    Leases are doing the same thing because they have to by law if they fall under the antler restrictions.  A well managed lease is not going to make a blanket rule of 13" to improve the herd.  A lot of factors determine which deer are going to be taken out as "cull" deer.  Antler restrictions don't let good leases manage as well as they could.

    I agree with the rule for public hunting land...it forces folks to let smaller bucks walk that would normally shoot anything with horns.

  4. DEER IN SOUTHEAST TEXAS 13 INCH OR GREATER SPREAD

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    [quote name="tvc184" post="910801" timestamp="1289938901"]
    [quote author=LumRaiderFan link=topic=61122.msg910497#msg910497 date=1289918338]

    I agree...if a hunting club or a private landowner wants to take out an inferior deer to improve the herd, they should be able to.  Right now they have no choice but to let poor quality deer walk (that may never reach 13")
    I see the thought process behind the law but it handcuffs clubs and landowners that are managing for quality deer,.

    [/quote]

    Except that the hunting club or private land owner do not own the deer. They belong to the people of the state of Texas even when they are crossing private property. There is very limited public hunting land in Texas. A large majority of the viable hunting land is on a hunting club or private property. Even in areas of public land, many of the deer that live there cross onto private or lease property.

    If there was such a law allowing the killing of less than the antler restrictions due to private property or a hunting lease, about 95% of the area now covered by the current restrictions would not even apply. It would be a meaningless law. Sorry, this law only applies to you poor folks that can't afford a hunting lease or have the money and simply can't find one in your area.

    As noted by Bullets, there is already a program in place for many hunting clubs through MLD.

    Look at it this way. Let's say that a guy hunts on public land in Texas. He is hunting in one of the national forests near a fence line that is on private property. A buck comes out but can't be taken by the public hunter even though he has his young son with him. Then they watch as the deer runs 50 yards and jumps over the fence and is immediately blasted by a hunter and his young son.

    The reason? The deer crossed the fence line onto "private" property. What is the guy on public property going to tell his son? Sorry but I couldn't afford $500 for a lease this year so the guy a few yards away can kill him but we can't.

    So it is the same deer in almost the exactly same location but one is on that magical private land or a lease.

    That is deer management? I don't think so.

    By the same reasoning, we could catch any fish without regard as far as size or bag limit if we were standing on a private dock. Never mind that the fish could swim a few feet and be where it could only be caught from public waters.

    Texas fish and game belong to the people of the state and one person has no more right to that game because it happens to cross onto or in front of private property.

    Let the deer grow up and the kids won't have to "settle" for that baby 4 point to get the "first deer".
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    That's my point...some deer will never grow up and will pass on poor genes for years. 

    A hunting club or private landowner should be able to take out cull bucks if needed IMO.  This rule was set up with unmanaged public land in mind (and yes there is a lot of public land...go check out a type 2 map book)where nobody has an a long term interest in improving the herd and anything with horns was taken out. 

    These magical lines between being able to take a cull buck and not being able to take him because of antler restrictions already exist because not all counties have antler restrictions.

  5. DEER IN SOUTHEAST TEXAS 13 INCH OR GREATER SPREAD

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    [quote name="ST413" post="910389" timestamp="1289882660"]
    The idea of my pics wasn't to get someone to tell me yes that is a shooter or no it isn't.  It is to give an idea of how hard it is to tell for some people.  Yes,  I want to see a more mature herd.  I need to see these deer in the daylight before I get a idea whether I want to fire a shot or not.  The pics do show me some decent deer,  at least decent for what I have seen in SETX.  I have seen pictures of some real good deer around the area already this year.  However the same biologist that told me my wife's deer needed to be taken told me the area I am hunting is known for small horned for their age deer.  I won't shoot a 13"+ deer unless it is the one I am looking for.  However SETX is not like other areas.  A lot of the areas hunting are so thick you only get to see a deer briefly.  For hunters looking to "fill their freezer" or ones still looking for that first good buck,  that makes it awful hard to make the decision.  i am like others "fill the freezer" with does or a cull buck.  But my problem comes for those trying to get their young kids into hunting.   You get a kid out there and he sees one of these good bucks that isn't wide enough and tell him he can't shoot.  Good lesson for the future but hard lesson on an excited kid or maybe wife for that matter. Not too mention if they are in that position and hunting by themselves.  And I have stated previously  that,even though I don't know how you would do it,  [b]I would like to see an exception to the rule for deer with crazy horns that need to be taken out.[/b]  Irregular non typical racks.  I killed one a few years ago that I will try to post a pic of in the next few days. His genetics needed to be stopped.
    [/quote]
    I agree...if a hunting club or a private landowner wants to take out an inferior deer to improve the herd, they should be able to.  Right now they have no choice but to let poor quality deer walk (that may never reach 13")
    I see the thought process behind the law but it handcuffs clubs and landowners that are managing for quality deer,.

  9. L-Train playoffs???

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    [quote name="Tim Riggins" post="835302" timestamp="1283214535"]
    [quote author=LumRaiderFan link=topic=72237.msg835121#msg835121 date=1283197861]
    Amazing...4 weeks ago we were destined to be the "cellar dwellers" of the district and now there's talk of us making the playoffs (which I believe we will) I love it!!! 8)
    [/quote]
    Actually, Vidor and Ozen were picked as cellar dwellers.
    [/quote]
    Check out the posts on thread "Pre-Spring 20-4A Rankings" 8)

  19. Parker to play at UT before Felts

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    [quote name="adminbaberuth" post="810632" timestamp="1276104727"]
    Parker had the best display of hitting I've seen in awhile against BC, in the Orangefield series Felts was the best player on the field imo.
    [/quote]

    Silly argument that will never be settled...not everyone falls in line that only these two should be considered for "best catcher in Southeast Texas."  I do however wish both success at the next level(s).

  22. All District Selection Process

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    [quote name="Big Stick" post="806192" timestamp="1274973488"]
    I cannot imagine that a varsity coach would not have stats being kept properly.Even some stats from teams he will see again.
    [/quote]
    Agreed...There may be some borderline calls throughout the year but I believe Varsity stats are for the most part accurate.  The argument that incorrect stats may elevate a kid to all-district status is bogus IMO.

    And anyone that felt this was going on at their school should talk to their coach and find out how stats are kept rather than posting on here and degrading the kids that were chosen.
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