20-4a All District Picks

[akifan94]

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[quote author=baddog link=topic=76798.msg922416#msg922416 date=1291077216]
I like all the picks. Let's just leave it like it is. They didn't just throw it together. It was thought out.

Go Bulldogs!!!
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Then justify this.

Livingston    4 catches for 73 yards 1TD
[b]Nederland    13 catches for 172 yards 1 TD[/b]
Lumberton   7 catches for 109 yards 0 TD
Ozen           6 catches for 90 yards 1 TD
LCM            3 catches for 66 yards 1 TD
Vidor          3 catches for 29 yards 0 TD ........ Chase Bertrand ran it 32 times for 200+ so there was no need to throw much
Central       2 catches for 35 yards 2 TD

But not good enough for first team WR? Okay. Whatever.
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akifan94, not going to read all prior threads, who we talking about?
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Sorry. Jayce Nelson not making first team WR when he led the district in yards and touchdowns and was second in receptions.
[/quote]Sonnier from LCM had the most receiving yards, playoffs are not included in these picks. The list was made before they even started. Although I do believe Nelson should be on first team before a couple of the others.
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You are correct. Their district stats were very close.

But when a kid makes first team WR while having 12 catches for 104 yards and 1 TD over seven district games you know it is a bogus choice and made on reputation alone.

[ndn78]

I thought I was joking in a earlier post about stats not counting, but now that it has been confirmed does say a lot about our district. Sure thought we were above this low of standards. Just like daily high school life it's all a popularity contest, great job in teaching our kids to work hard coaches. Congratulations to all those who play.

[loopswoop12]

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[quote author=baddog link=topic=76798.msg922416#msg922416 date=1291077216]
I like all the picks. Let's just leave it like it is. They didn't just throw it together. It was thought out.

Go Bulldogs!!!
[/quote]

Then justify this.

Livingston    4 catches for 73 yards 1TD
[b]Nederland    13 catches for 172 yards 1 TD[/b]
Lumberton   7 catches for 109 yards 0 TD
Ozen           6 catches for 90 yards 1 TD
LCM            3 catches for 66 yards 1 TD
Vidor          3 catches for 29 yards 0 TD ........ Chase Bertrand ran it 32 times for 200+ so there was no need to throw much
Central       2 catches for 35 yards 2 TD

But not good enough for first team WR? Okay. Whatever.
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akifan94, not going to read all prior threads, who we talking about?
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Sorry. Jayce Nelson not making first team WR when he led the district in yards and touchdowns and was second in receptions.
[/quote]Sonnier from LCM had the most receiving yards, playoffs are not included in these picks. The list was made before they even started. Although I do believe Nelson should be on first team before a couple of the others.
[/quote]

You are correct. Their district stats were very close.

But when a kid makes first team WR while having 12 catches for 104 yards and 1 TD over seven district games you know it is a bogus choice and made on reputation alone.
[/quote]yeah I completely agree, but here's the deal. Coaches from each team nominate as many players as the want for their team for each position. Some coaches nominated the ones that they thought were deserving from their team, bit some coaches just nominated almost all the kids from their team.

So with that being said, if a kid had only two good games the whole district race....even if the others he didn't do anything. Then he would get two votes to be on first team, and sometimes that's all you need. So stats account for nothing, its all about how he did against two or so teams.

Also, kids that were tied for votes on first team were not separated into first and second team. They were all just put on first team resulting in the unusual amount of kids on the teams.

I hope I answered some of your questions.

[akifan94]

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[quote author=baddog link=topic=76798.msg922416#msg922416 date=1291077216]
I like all the picks. Let's just leave it like it is. They didn't just throw it together. It was thought out.

Go Bulldogs!!!
[/quote]

Then justify this.

Livingston    4 catches for 73 yards 1TD
[b]Nederland    13 catches for 172 yards 1 TD[/b]
Lumberton   7 catches for 109 yards 0 TD
Ozen           6 catches for 90 yards 1 TD
LCM            3 catches for 66 yards 1 TD
Vidor          3 catches for 29 yards 0 TD ........ Chase Bertrand ran it 32 times for 200+ so there was no need to throw much
Central       2 catches for 35 yards 2 TD

But not good enough for first team WR? Okay. Whatever.
[/quote]

akifan94, not going to read all prior threads, who we talking about?
[/quote]


Sorry. Jayce Nelson not making first team WR when he led the district in yards and touchdowns and was second in receptions.
[/quote]Sonnier from LCM had the most receiving yards, playoffs are not included in these picks. The list was made before they even started. Although I do believe Nelson should be on first team before a couple of the others.
[/quote]

You are correct. Their district stats were very close.

But when a kid makes first team WR while having 12 catches for 104 yards and 1 TD over seven district games you know it is a bogus choice and made on reputation alone.
[/quote]yeah I completely agree, but here's the deal. Coaches from each team nominate as many players as the want for their team for each position. Some coaches nominated the ones that they thought were deserving from their team, bit some coaches just nominated almost all the kids from their team.

So with that being said, if a kid had only two good games the whole district race....even if the others he didn't do anything. Then he would get two votes to be on first team, and sometimes that's all you need. So stats account for nothing, its all about how he did against two or so teams.

Also, kids that were tied for votes on first team were not separated into first and second team. They were all just put on first team resulting in the unusual amount of kids on the teams.

I hope I answered some of your questions.
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Yes you did. It is a popularity contest and has no merit on game performance. The kids give 110% throughout the year and some coaches give 10% when it comes to rewarding them for their achievements. Got it. The coaches should be ashamed.

[SgtRey]

[quote name="1696dogs" post="922373" timestamp="1291074197"]
[quote author=akifan94 link=topic=76798.msg922101#msg922101 date=1291058385]
That is a horrible list then. J. Nelson not being first team is about the biggest goof I have seen on one of these lists.

Here are some final stats...

T. Sonnier 20  188      1
B. Salenga 28  444      4
J. Nelson   74  1123    12 

it is not even close. Take away the two extra games and Nelson still had more catches, yards, and TD's than those two combined. And he is a second teamer?
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Not trying to keep this going, but the stats on Sonnier are wrong from the top of my head.  And why only compare Nelson to the two Nederland boys. Did the rest on the list have over 1000 yards too?
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I'm no rocket scientists, but if coaches nominate their own players...I just think coach nelson did not nominated his own son...I couldn't do it either...IMO.

[akifan94]

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[quote author=1696dogs link=topic=76798.msg922373#msg922373 date=1291074197]
[quote author=akifan94 link=topic=76798.msg922101#msg922101 date=1291058385]
That is a horrible list then. J. Nelson not being first team is about the biggest goof I have seen on one of these lists.

Here are some final stats...

T. Sonnier 20  188      1
B. Salenga 28  444      4
J. Nelson   74  1123    12 

it is not even close. Take away the two extra games and Nelson still had more catches, yards, and TD's than those two combined. And he is a second teamer?
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Not trying to keep this going, but the stats on Sonnier are wrong from the top of my head.  And why only compare Nelson to the two Nederland boys. Did the rest on the list have over 1000 yards too?
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I'm no rocket scientists, but if coaches nominate their own players...I just think coach nelson did not nominated his own son...I couldn't do it either...IMO.
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What are you talking about? There is no Coach Nelson at PN-G.

[SgtRey]

[quote name="football04" post="922554" timestamp="1291091407"]
Last time I checked there where 11 positions on offense and 11 on defense, that's the # of 1st team and 2nd team players there should be, having 23 1st team offensive people is rediculous. I also think once you've been chosen to a spot that should be it and consider other players for the other spots. Sonnier from Nederland was easily the MVP of the district and not 1st team WR, that's meant as a compliment to Trevin not a gripe, has was the most valuable player in the district, Gonzales should have been 1st team QB. As for Nelson from PNG, the stats don't lie, he should have been 1st team, I just don't think we need 5 WR's on 1st team, 2 or 3 at the most, I think it takes away from what the better players did when you water it down this much, might as well give out participation ribbons like the elementary track meets do. Coach of the year was debatable, Coach Crouch was deserving as where 2 or 3 others, I think it shows the respect the other coaches have for Coach Crouch that he was chosen, even though he didn't make the playoffs he did an outstanding job.
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[quote author=1696dogs link=topic=76798.msg922373#msg922373 date=1291074197]
[quote author=akifan94 link=topic=76798.msg922101#msg922101 date=1291058385]
That is a horrible list then. J. Nelson not being first team is about the biggest goof I have seen on one of these lists.

Here are some final stats...

T. Sonnier 20  188      1
B. Salenga 28  444      4
J. Nelson  74  1123    12 

it is not even close. Take away the two extra games and Nelson still had more catches, yards, and TD's than those two combined. And he is a second teamer?
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Not trying to keep this going, but the stats on Sonnier are wrong from the top of my head.  And why only compare Nelson to the two Nederland boys. Did the rest on the list have over 1000 yards too?
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I'm no rocket scientists, but if coaches nominate their own players...I just think coach nelson did not nominated his own son...I couldn't do it either...IMO.
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What are you talking about? There is no Coach Nelson at PN-G.
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[quote author=1696dogs link=topic=76798.msg922373#msg922373 date=1291074197]
[quote author=akifan94 link=topic=76798.msg922101#msg922101 date=1291058385]
That is a horrible list then. J. Nelson not being first team is about the biggest goof I have seen on one of these lists.

Here are some final stats...

T. Sonnier 20  188      1
B. Salenga 28  444      4
J. Nelson  74  1123    12 

it is not even close. Take away the two extra games and Nelson still had more catches, yards, and TD's than those two combined. And he is a second teamer?
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Not trying to keep this going, but the stats on Sonnier are wrong from the top of my head.  And why only compare Nelson to the two Nederland boys. Did the rest on the list have over 1000 yards too?
[/quote]
I'm no rocket scientists, but if coaches nominate their own players...I just think coach nelson did not nominated his own son...I couldn't do it either...IMO.
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What are you talking about? There is no Coach Nelson at PN-G.
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I'm referring to Ozen's Coach...on why Nelson is not on the first team

[akifan94]

[quote name="Sgt Rey" post="922623" timestamp="1291125147"]
[quote author=football04 link=topic=76798.msg922554#msg922554 date=1291091407]
Last time I checked there where 11 positions on offense and 11 on defense, that's the # of 1st team and 2nd team players there should be, having 23 1st team offensive people is rediculous. I also think once you've been chosen to a spot that should be it and consider other players for the other spots. Sonnier from Nederland was easily the MVP of the district and not 1st team WR, that's meant as a compliment to Trevin not a gripe, has was the most valuable player in the district, Gonzales should have been 1st team QB. As for Nelson from PNG, the stats don't lie, he should have been 1st team, I just don't think we need 5 WR's on 1st team, 2 or 3 at the most, I think it takes away from what the better players did when you water it down this much, might as well give out participation ribbons like the elementary track meets do. Coach of the year was debatable, Coach Crouch was deserving as where 2 or 3 others, I think it shows the respect the other coaches have for Coach Crouch that he was chosen, even though he didn't make the playoffs he did an outstanding job.
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[quote author=Sgt Rey link=topic=76798.msg922619#msg922619 date=1291124925]
[quote author=1696dogs link=topic=76798.msg922373#msg922373 date=1291074197]
[quote author=akifan94 link=topic=76798.msg922101#msg922101 date=1291058385]
That is a horrible list then. J. Nelson not being first team is about the biggest goof I have seen on one of these lists.

Here are some final stats...

T. Sonnier 20  188      1
B. Salenga 28  444      4
J. Nelson   74  1123    12 

it is not even close. Take away the two extra games and Nelson still had more catches, yards, and TD's than those two combined. And he is a second teamer?
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Not trying to keep this going, but the stats on Sonnier are wrong from the top of my head.  And why only compare Nelson to the two Nederland boys. Did the rest on the list have over 1000 yards too?
[/quote]
I'm no rocket scientists, but if coaches nominate their own players...I just think coach nelson did not nominated his own son...I couldn't do it either...IMO.
[/quote]

What are you talking about? There is no Coach Nelson at PN-G.
[/quote][quote author=akifan94 link=topic=76798.msg922621#msg922621 date=1291125037]
[quote author=Sgt Rey link=topic=76798.msg922619#msg922619 date=1291124925]
[quote author=1696dogs link=topic=76798.msg922373#msg922373 date=1291074197]
[quote author=akifan94 link=topic=76798.msg922101#msg922101 date=1291058385]
That is a horrible list then. J. Nelson not being first team is about the biggest goof I have seen on one of these lists.

Here are some final stats...

T. Sonnier 20  188      1
B. Salenga 28  444      4
J. Nelson   74  1123    12 

it is not even close. Take away the two extra games and Nelson still had more catches, yards, and TD's than those two combined. And he is a second teamer?
[/quote]
Not trying to keep this going, but the stats on Sonnier are wrong from the top of my head.  And why only compare Nelson to the two Nederland boys. Did the rest on the list have over 1000 yards too?
[/quote]
I'm no rocket scientists, but if coaches nominate their own players...I just think coach nelson did not nominated his own son...I couldn't do it either...IMO.
[/quote]

What are you talking about? There is no Coach Nelson at PN-G.
[/quote]
I'm referring to Ozen's Coach...on why Nelson is not on the first team
[/quote]

Gotcha. We have been discussing Jayce Nelson from PN-G.

[SgtRey]

Oh...I had not heard of him...I always here the Jalili (sp) kid's name...

[football]

GOOD JOB BY ALL!

[akifan94]

[quote name="Sgt Rey" post="922628" timestamp="1291125698"]
Oh...I had not heard of him...I always here the Jalili (sp) kid's name...
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Jalali had more catches but Nelson led the team in yards and TD's.

[SgtRey]

Congrats to everyone who made the list...but I agree that the first 11 should be 1st Offense, next 11 should be 2nd Offense, etc.. K, UT...the list that we see should read

1st Team

2nd Team

3rd Team

4th Team

;D

[desethion]

let me start off by saying this. no disrespect to coach crouch cause he is trully a good coach and deserved to be recognized, but the man had 18 starter returning and finished in 5th place. on the other had coach washington for central had to replace 17 starters and finished with the first out right district title since 86 i think. not only does the award annual go to the coach that wins district title, but this year they decided to be political with the award. some of you will say that central was picked to finish first but as chris berman says that is why they play the games. there was lot of b/s choices like kids not playing in any  or few district that got elected for 1st or 2nd teams. neuman and faircloth kids both played had and made it to the playoff but did not and shouldnt have won coach of the year also.

[BMTSoulja1]

[quote name="desethion" post="922644" timestamp="1291126663"]
let me start off by saying this. no disrespect to coach crouch cause he is trully a good coach and deserved to be recognized, but the man had 18 starter returning and finished in 5th place. on the other had coach washington for central had to replace 17 starters and finished with the first out right district title since 86 i think. not only does the award annual go to the coach that wins district title, but this year they decided to be political with the award. some of you will say that central was picked to finish first but as chris berman says that is why they play the games. there was lot of b/s choices like kids not playing in any  or few district that got elected for 1st or 2nd teams. neuman and faircloth kids both played had and made it to the playoff but did not and shouldnt have won coach of the year also.
[/quote]Very good post...

[AggiesAreWe]

[quote name="PNG Proud" post="922568" timestamp="1291092817"]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=76798.msg922278#msg922278 date=1291066216]
The coaches make these picks, no media involved. The media does not have an all-district team, only their publication team for the area (All Orange Leader Team, All BE team, ect. ect.)

Also, only district games and the stats compiled in those games are used for these picks. No non district or playoff stats are used.
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AAW,  according to Coach Faircloth (tonight)  NO STATS were considered in the selections.  It was up to the individual coaches to do research (if they felt like it).  He said that some coaches even submitted receivers with [b]TEN CATCHES[/b]!  Now, what coach, with a clear conscious could possibly submit a receiver that caught 1 pass per game???    And the selection of Crouch as COTY, confirms just how asinine this whole process is.
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Let me clarify myself. ONLY district games and those stats COULD be used to help determine the all district picks. Non district and playoff games and the stats compiled in those games do not count and cannot be used in determining all district picks.


There, is that better? ;D

[AggiesAreWe]

I agree, Coach Washington should have been COY.

[loopswoop12]

[quote name="desethion" post="922644" timestamp="1291126663"]
let me start off by saying this. no disrespect to coach crouch cause he is trully a good coach and deserved to be recognized, but the man had 18 starter returning and finished in 5th place. on the other had coach washington for central had to replace 17 starters and finished with the first out right district title since 86 i think. not only does the award annual go to the coach that wins district title, but this year they decided to be political with the award. some of you will say that central was picked to finish first but as chris berman says that is why they play the games. there was lot of b/s choices like kids not playing in any  or few district that got elected for 1st or 2nd teams. neuman and faircloth kids both played had and made it to the playoff but did not and shouldnt have won coach of the year also.
[/quote]well all the coaches from the district voted on Crouch as coy, so I guess all the coaches in the district( including your teams coach) are all wrong ???

[akifan94]

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="922667" timestamp="1291128525"]
[quote author=PNG Proud link=topic=76798.msg922568#msg922568 date=1291092817]
[quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=76798.msg922278#msg922278 date=1291066216]
The coaches make these picks, no media involved. The media does not have an all-district team, only their publication team for the area (All Orange Leader Team, All BE team, ect. ect.)

Also, only district games and the stats compiled in those games are used for these picks. No non district or playoff stats are used.
[/quote]



AAW,  according to Coach Faircloth (tonight)  NO STATS were considered in the selections.  It was up to the individual coaches to do research (if they felt like it).  He said that some coaches even submitted receivers with [b]TEN CATCHES[/b]!  Now, what coach, with a clear conscious could possibly submit a receiver that caught 1 pass per game???    And the selection of Crouch as COTY, confirms just how asinine this whole process is.
[/quote]




Let me clarify myself. ONLY district games and those stats COULD be used to help determine the all district picks. Non district and playoff games and the stats compiled in those games do not count and cannot be used in determining all district picks.


There, is that better? ;D
[/quote]


No it is not better......... [b]District Stats Only[/b]

Trevin Sonnier : 12 catches for 104 yards and 1 TD.
Jayce Nelson : 38 catches for 545 yards and 6 TD.

[akifan94]

[quote name="loopswoop12" post="922674" timestamp="1291128911"]
[quote author=desethion link=topic=76798.msg922644#msg922644 date=1291126663]
let me start off by saying this. no disrespect to coach crouch cause he is trully a good coach and deserved to be recognized, but the man had 18 starter returning and finished in 5th place. on the other had coach washington for central had to replace 17 starters and finished with the first out right district title since 86 i think. not only does the award annual go to the coach that wins district title, but this year they decided to be political with the award. some of you will say that central was picked to finish first but as chris berman says that is why they play the games. there was lot of b/s choices like kids not playing in any  or few district that got elected for 1st or 2nd teams. neuman and faircloth kids both played had and made it to the playoff but did not and shouldnt have won coach of the year also.
[/quote]well all the coaches from the district voted on Crouch as coy, so I guess all the coaches in the district( including your teams coach) are all wrong ???
[/quote]

They were wrong once for sure. Why not twice?

[AggiesAreWe]

akifan94, my post was not to defend the coaches and their picks. Just was to clarify how the picks are made and what can be used.

I have no answer as to why Nelson did not make 1st team.

[1696dogs]

Akifan, what is your problem. We all see you don't think Sonnier deserved receiver over Nelson so let it go. Nelson should be there but my goodness put the other kids stats up too to compare. You obviously have a problem with Sonnier all together no matter what you've said previously. 

[desethion]

sometimes it is buddy- buddy and some times it is political? their is a difference. coaches cant vote for themselves. so i was told the vote was 4-3-1. so two coaches got the votes and one coach got the throw everything off  vote. the political side of these things are showing more and more daily

[Cheermom4]

I say let it go and lets move on.

[desethion]

congrates to all the kids that made the selection and to all the kids that wasnt selected. remember college scouts do not look at the all district selections of the newspaper. they actually watch film 1st  and ask your coaches and other district coaches about you. so as long as the film shows good things colleges coaches will be calling

[akifan94]

[quote name="1696dogs" post="922682" timestamp="1291129902"]
Akifan, what is your problem. We all see you don't think Sonnier deserved receiver over Nelson so let it go. Nelson should be there but my goodness put the other kids stats up too to compare. You obviously have a problem with Sonnier all together no matter what you've said previously. 
[/quote]

I have no problem with your son. I think he is a great player and deserved district MVP. I have said that more than once in this thread. I feel he was put up by coach Neumann for as many positions as possible to be voted on and made WR by name only which in turn short changed a more deserving player. Again. Trevin deserves everything he gets as he always left it all on the field and was the difference maker for Nederland. I just think when you have 12 catches and 1 TD over 7 games your coach and other coaches should recognize that and do what is right.