FINAL — New Caney West Fork 21 at Port Neches-Groves 52 — Discussion

[ndn2016]

Both teams had several injuries, hopefully doesn't affect PNG going forward. #96 got hurt on an extra point kick. I hope he's okay and back to 100% for Friday. Also kudos to West Fork's band, students and fans for enthusiastic support throughout the the part of the game that they were actually there for. A good band with sharp uniforms love the black and green. Not sure what the deal is, but I think that's the 4th time this year that opposing bands showed up late. (Rumor was that Galena Park went to Cleveland Indians last week)  Also I was way off on my 14 point win by PNG prediction. Congrats to the Indians on a good win, everyone looked good. #18 had a couple of passes that were on the money. Very happy to see #27 getting some very good numbers. 

[prepballfan]

7 hours ago, ndn2016 said:

Both teams had several injuries, hopefully doesn't affect PNG going forward. #96 got hurt on an extra point kick. I hope he's okay and back to 100% for Friday. Also kudos to West Fork's band, students and fans for enthusiastic support throughout the the part of the game that they were actually there for. A good band with sharp uniforms love the black and green. Not sure what the deal is, but I think that's the 4th time this year that opposing bands showed up late. (Rumor was that Galena Park went to Cleveland Indians last week)  Also I was way off on my 14 point win by PNG prediction. Congrats to the Indians on a good win, everyone looked good. #18 had a couple of passes that were on the money. Very happy to see #27 getting some very good numbers. 

It was a great team win

[Matthew328]

On 11/13/2026 at 7:22 PM, Darth Texas said:

Why doesn’t png just ignore the requirement to put the game on NFHS? Other schools do. NFHS is aggressively bad, on top of being expensive AND they still have the audacity to show ads on top of being expensive. We’re just paying money to not be able to watch the game and their response is basically, “shut up and give us more money.” 

If PNG ignored the requirement NDN Press would be banned from broadcasting and not given credentials

PNG would also have to appear before the SEC....

NFHS went down last week and UIL gave emergency approval to put games on YouTube Friday night

[Darth Texas]

4 minutes ago, Matthew328 said:

If PNG ignored the requirement NDN Press would be banned from broadcasting and not given credentials

PNG would also have to appear before the SEC....

NFHS went down last week and UIL gave emergency approval to put games on YouTube Friday night

So, what’s the argument from the UIL for not simply allowing teams to do their own broadcast on YouTube from the beginning? NFHS has not for a single second of its existence had the capacity to host the product they take money for. It’s a fraud. 

[WOSdrummer99]

Just do the Facebook live and nobody will say anything

[Matthew328]

59 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

Just do the Facebook live and nobody will say anything

Ehhh I would recommend not doing that...it'll get flagged and Meta will shut your facebook down....UIL playoffs have a copyright on them...and Meta's AI has gotten very good about that and any kind of music etc...

[Matthew328]

5 hours ago, Darth Texas said:

So, what’s the argument from the UIL for not simply allowing teams to do their own broadcast on YouTube from the beginning? NFHS has not for a single second of its existence had the capacity to host the product they take money for. It’s a fraud. 

You'd have to ask the UIL that..I dont know why the UIL went w/NFHS for all sports except track...my guess its because all the other state associations have as well....

[AggiesAreWe]

8 minutes ago, Matthew328 said:

Ehhh I would recommend not doing that...it'll get flagged and Meta will shut your facebook down....UIL playoffs have a copyright on them...and Meta's AI has gotten very good about that and any kind of music etc...

I have seen this happen many times but most of it has come at basketball games.

[WOSdrummer99]

24 minutes ago, Matthew328 said:

Ehhh I would recommend not doing that...it'll get flagged and Meta will shut your facebook down....UIL playoffs have a copyright on them...and Meta's AI has gotten very good about that and any kind of music etc...

I agree it shouldn't be allowed. I'll ask if it was shutdown Friday night. Our games have been on there all season. Plus one guy that's even allowed to walk around on the field during timeouts, after TDs, and before the kickoffs

[PNGFaithful]

8 hours ago, Matthew328 said:

If PNG ignored the requirement NDN Press would be banned from broadcasting and not given credentials

PNG would also have to appear before the SEC....

NFHS went down last week and UIL gave emergency approval to put games on YouTube Friday night

NFHS and DCFB have the worst websites and live coverages. All about profits. Let the schools do there own. 

[Matthew328]

2 minutes ago, PNGFaithful said:

NFHS and DCFB have the worst websites and live coverages. All about profits. Let the schools do there own. 

That's the UILs call, no one elses...I'll apologize on behalf of Dave Campbell’s for trying to run a profitable business 

[WOSdrummer99]

1 minute ago, PNGFaithful said:

NFHS and DCFB have the worst websites and live coverages. All about profits. Let the schools do there own. 

At least if they have their own, allow them to broadcast any way they see fit. Ads or not shouldn't matter. Students are being pushed down for profit. Education 1st is supposed to always be the top priority 

[Matthew328]

3 minutes ago, WOSdrummer99 said:

At least if they have their own, allow them to broadcast any way they see fit. Ads or not shouldn't matter. Students are being pushed down for profit. Education 1st is supposed to always be the top priority 

To me thats speaking from both sides...if its truly not about profits and about the students then why need ads?

[Matthew328]

36 minutes ago, PNGFaithful said:

NFHS and DCFB have the worst websites and live coverages. All about profits. Let the schools do there own. 

Apologies on behalf of Dave Campbell's for actively trying to remain profitable and viable and not lose money

[Matthew328]

Streaming and the angst over it is a fascinating study in human behaviors.

In the early 2000s newspapers had no idea how to handle the internet so they just gave their content away for free on there....then when they realized how bad it was for them they tried to pivot and charge for it...it was too late...people had gotten used to free....

I see a similar thing in TXHSFB...the UIL allowed regular season streaming in 2020 and schools had no idea of the value their product had and just gave it away for free...and in the end hurting their gate, which hurts concessions and fundraising...most people inherently follow the path of least resistance and if a game is free for them to watch from home...why go?? And fewer people now go...

The in the playoffs when everyone is used to free they dont like having to pay, even when NFHS works well people complain about having to pay...even when NFHS uses the school broadcasts and students...they complain about having to pay...

Lets be real about it...people just dont want to pay....most can say its about the kids and educational opportunities, but then when faced with the choice of paying x amount of dollars to watch a student broadcast or watch Jim Bob go on Facebook Live or TikTok...they'll choose the free option every time...

 

[JBB99]

9 minutes ago, Matthew328 said:

Streaming and the angst over it is a fascinating study in human behaviors.

In the early 2000s newspapers had no idea how to handle the internet so they just gave their content away for free on there....then when they realized how bad it was for them they tried to pivot and charge for it...it was too late...people had gotten used to free....

I see a similar thing in TXHSFB...the UIL allowed regular season streaming in 2020 and schools had no idea of the value their product had and just gave it away for free...and in the end hurting their gate, which hurts concessions and fundraising...most people inherently follow the path of least resistance and if a game is free for them to watch from home...why go?? And fewer people now go...

The in the playoffs when everyone is used to free they dont like having to pay, even when NFHS works well people complain about having to pay...even when NFHS uses the school broadcasts and students...they complain about having to pay...

Lets be real about it...people just dont want to pay....most can say its about the kids and educational opportunities, but then when faced with the choice of paying x amount of dollars to watch a student broadcast or watch Jim Bob go on Facebook Live or TikTok...they'll choose the free option every time...

 

I agree with this. But also a lot of gripe comes from the people, which was a lot, actually spend the money to watch the game on a pay for view platform, and the platform is garbage. So then the argument goes back to keep it free on Youtube. At least if that feed goes bad, no money spent. If NHFS would have succeeded in delivering a quality product, most people won't mind paying. Also, humans gripe. You could beam a game directly into someone's brain for free that made them actually feel they were there in person, and they would gripe because the imaginary popcorn didn't have enough butter.

[AggiesAreWe]

I know we here at SETXsports come from the audio only side of broadcasting (we do provide the audio for some DCTX video broadcasts) and we provide it for free. But that doesn't mean we don't have expenses ourselves. We must have sponsorships for our broadcasts otherwise we would not be able to do the broadcasts. We no longer do pro bono like we did when we first started 20 years ago.

Those advertisers are very important to us getting out our 7-9 broadcasts a week. It's vital for our broadcast existence. We want to stay free for as long as possible. But that won't be the case if we end up losing money over it. 

Our broadcasters do this for no or little pay. They all have real jobs. (well except for me, I am a retired beach bum). But without the support of our sponsors, we simply couldn't keep it free.

I completely understand the process of broadcasting the playoff games since NFHS paid the UIL for those rights. They own it. They have every right to make others jump through hoops to broadcast the same playoff games. Only fair thing to do.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

19 minutes ago, Matthew328 said:

Streaming and the angst over it is a fascinating study in human behaviors.

In the early 2000s newspapers had no idea how to handle the internet so they just gave their content away for free on there....then when they realized how bad it was for them they tried to pivot and charge for it...it was too late...people had gotten used to free....

I see a similar thing in TXHSFB...the UIL allowed regular season streaming in 2020 and schools had no idea of the value their product had and just gave it away for free...and in the end hurting their gate, which hurts concessions and fundraising...most people inherently follow the path of least resistance and if a game is free for them to watch from home...why go?? And fewer people now go...

The in the playoffs when everyone is used to free they dont like having to pay, even when NFHS works well people complain about having to pay...even when NFHS uses the school broadcasts and students...they complain about having to pay...

Lets be real about it...people just dont want to pay....most can say its about the kids and educational opportunities, but then when faced with the choice of paying x amount of dollars to watch a student broadcast or watch Jim Bob go on Facebook Live or TikTok...they'll choose the free option every time...

 

+1

3 minutes ago, JBB99 said:

I agree with this. But also a lot of gripe comes from the people, which was a lot, actually spend the money to watch the game on a pay for view platform, and the platform is garbage. So then the argument goes back to keep it free on Youtube. At least if that feed goes bad, no money spent. If NHFS would have succeeded in delivering a quality product, most people won't mind paying. Also, humans gripe. You could beam a game directly into someone's brain for free that made them actually feel they were there in person, and they would gripe because the imaginary popcorn didn't have enough butter.

+1

[Matthew328]

3 minutes ago, JBB99 said:

I agree with this. But also a lot of gripe comes from the people, which was a lot, actually spend the money to watch the game on a pay for view platform, and the platform is garbage. So then the argument goes back to keep it free on Youtube. At least if that feed goes bad, no money spent. If NHFS would have succeeded in delivering a quality product, most people won't mind paying. Also, humans gripe. You could beam a game directly into someone's brain for free that made them actually feel they were there in person, and they would gripe because the imaginary popcorn didn't have enough butter.

I totally get griping about paying for something and not getting what you pay for...but if said company refunds you the money then I'm not sure what else the company can do..they didnt deliver what you paid for and gave $ back...it sucks but it also happens on any number of products out there too