Iran War Update

[baddog]

1 hour ago, OlDawg said:

If Trump signs the rumored peace deal with Iran that doesn’t include full release of all nuclear material, and IAEA unfettered inspections for the foreseeable future, there will be winners and losers as follows:

Winners (in order):

Iran, the IRGC, radical Islamists, general terrorists everywhere, American service members, civilians in the war zone, China, Russia, and N.Korea

Losers (in order):

Israel, Trump, Netanyahu, AIPAC, America’s standing, U.S. taxpayers, NATO, and Ukraine

I believe this is why Trump has turned down so many “offers” from Iran. We have now hit their nuclear facilities twice and set their program back decades. Now it’s about opening up the Straits. Trump attempted to achieve regime change when he obliterated 40 officials and military leaders, including the Ayatollah. It seems there is no end to it as they must breed like rabbits. I believe he knows what is acceptable. It seems the only strategy for regime change is boots on the ground, but no one wants that.

[OlDawg]

26 minutes ago, baddog said:

I believe this is why Trump has turned down so many “offers” from Iran. We have now hit their nuclear facilities twice and set their program back decades. Now it’s about opening up the Straits. Trump attempted to achieve regime change when he obliterated 40 officials and military leaders, including the Ayatollah. It seems there is no end to it as they must breed like rabbits. I believe he knows what is acceptable. It seems the only strategy for regime change is boots on the ground, but no one wants that.

We’ll see what any agreement says. But, I don’t believe your premise of setting their nuclear program back decades. That song has been sung before, and it was out of tune the first time.

Trump made three major mistakes. First one is a character flaw that he has in general: hubris. Second, he forgot that Israel is a ‘frienemy’—not a friend. Third, he set the rules of engagement before ever starting of no boots on the ground, and was foolish enough to think that would work.

As usual, our politicians haven’t been all-in for a long time. I said before, our politicians cause us to lose. Not our military.

He will blame NATO, and everyone else under the sun as he begins to be questioned. But, it will be his failure. No one else’s. Anyone that tries to defend him will just be using spin. His foolishness will harm America for a long time, and he’ll have no leg to stand on about Biden’s withdrawal from Afghanistan.

He’ll have made America look like the only thing we can handle are 2 bit dictators from 3rd world countries.

If Iran agrees to turn over all uranium, and allow inspections, I’ll change my tune. But, I don’t see it happening. I see him coming out and making a big toodoo about a pinkie promise Iran’s made to not enrich for 20 years. He’ll call that success.

13 Service members will have given their lives with multiple more injured all for his hubris and Israel’s manipulations, and there will be nothing verifiable to show for it to call it a success.

I was concerned about this operation—under his control—from the very beginning.

[baddog]

12 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

We’ll see what any agreement says. But, I don’t believe your premise of setting their nuclear program back decades. That song has been sung before, and it was out of tune the first time.

Trump made three major mistakes. First one is a character flaw that he has in general: hubris. Second, he forgot that Israel is a ‘frienemy’—not a friend. Third, he set the rules of engagement before ever starting of no boots on the ground, and was foolish enough to think that would work.

As usual, our politicians haven’t been all-in for a long time. I said before, our politicians cause us to lose. Not our military.

He will blame NATO, and everyone else under the sun as he begins to be questioned. But, it will be his failure. No one else’s. Anyone that tries to defend him will just be using spin. His foolishness will harm America for a long time, and he’ll have no leg to stand on about Biden’s withdrawal from Afghanistan.

He’ll have made America look like the only thing we can handle are 2 bit dictators from 3rd world countries.

If Iran agrees to turn over all uranium, and allow inspections, I’ll change my tune. But, I don’t see it happening. I see him coming out and making a big toodoo about a pinkie promise Iran’s made to not enrich for 20 years. He’ll call that success.

13 Service members will have given their lives with multiple more injured all for his hubris and Israel’s manipulations, and there will be nothing verifiable to show for it to call it a success.

I was concerned about this operation—under his control—from the very beginning.

Well, we can speculate all we want. I spin nothing. It’s what I believe, like anyone else. None of us know what the outcome will be. I like having a positive outlook. We can solve everything on a message board. Lol

I do appreciate your military input on the matter. Trump is in a no win situation with everything he does. Gotta be frustrating.

[OlDawg]

18 minutes ago, baddog said:

Well, we can speculate all we want. I spin nothing. It’s what I believe, like anyone else. None of us know what the outcome will be. I like having a positive outlook. We can solve everything on a message board. Lol

I do appreciate your military input on the matter. Trump is in a no win situation with everything he does. Gotta be frustrating.

If he fails on this one, he will have set the ground rules himself. According to his own words, there was only one way he could win. Verify that Iran could never have a nuclear weapon. Everyone else before him failed according to him. What will he say about his own effort?

I’ll be curious to see if he’ll have learned anything.

But, we’ll see. I really do hope for the best. But, any agreement with this regime is pretty much worthless IMHO. (And almost anyone else that’s ever had dealings.)

They will be emboldened.

[ErroneousBIG]

NYT is reporting that the deal involves a complete cessation of fighting on all fronts (including Lebanon), all naval blockades lifted by both sides, no Iranian control/tolls in the Strait, plus the US releasing $25 billion of Iran’s seized funds back to them. The nuclear materials issue would be tabled for a later date. 
 

That’s what Iran is claiming per the NYT, anyways. There’s no way we’d make a deal that bad. There’s nothing in it for us, except an exit strategy. 

[Porter]

1 hour ago, baddog said:

Well, we can speculate all we want. I spin nothing. It’s what I believe, like anyone else. None of us know what the outcome will be. I like having a positive outlook. We can solve everything on a message board. Lol

I do appreciate your military input on the matter. Trump is in a no win situation with everything he does. Gotta be frustrating.

No worries …… Ed Gallrein says he playing 9 dimensional chess. Smh

He’s too narcissistic to admit defeat. 
I’ll be curious to see what the net gain was to start this war. 

 

[baddog]

15 minutes ago, Porter said:

No worries …… Ed Gallrein says he playing 9 dimensional chess. Smh

He’s too narcissistic to admit defeat. 
I’ll be curious to see what the net gain was to start this war. 

 

No worries. I’m sure you’ll find something to upset you. I try to look on the bright side, especially when it’s not over yet.