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[TheMissingBand]

6 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

Back at you

I saw this story a couple of days ago and didn’t bother to post because I knew that most here wouldn’t be able to grasp the complexities of it. And if they did, they’d justify the corruption since he’s a friend of Trump’s. 

[baddog]

9 minutes ago, TheMissingBand said:

I saw this story a couple of days ago and didn’t bother to post because I knew that most here wouldn’t be able to grasp the complexities of it. And if they did, they’d justify the corruption since he’s a friend of Trump’s. 

Well, since Russian collusion was all fabricated by the dems, anyone under that investigation has been proven innocent. Gee, I thought you had to prove guilt. What was I thinking? Any confession made under duress is null and void, hence the reimbursement for hoaxing the American people, or half of them anyway.

[TheMissingBand]

16 minutes ago, baddog said:

Well, since Russian collusion was all fabricated by the dems, anyone under that investigation has been proven innocent. Gee, I thought you had to prove guilt. What was I thinking? Any confession made under duress is null and void, hence the reimbursement for hoaxing the American people, or half of them anyway.

So where did you get your law degree? For the five millionth time, nobody has ever been “proven innocent” of anything. Anyone with a significant level of abstract thought knows this. 

The fact that Flynn PLEADED GUILTY by admitting “yeah, I lied about that” as a part of his guilty plea means that it was proven that he lied to investigators. And Flynn also certified that he wasn’t under duress when pleading guilty. And you must think that General Flynn is a coward of a man if he buckled under some questioning. 🤨 
 

Trump’s DOJ did the investigation.  You can’t even blame the Dems. 

 

 

[baddog]

And you voted for Trump again. Got it, but I don’t question your mental capabilities to make an informed decision.

[Reagan]

48 minutes ago, TheMissingBand said:

“Flynn acknowledged lying during the FBI interview by saying he had not discussed with the then-Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, sanctions that had just been imposed on Russia for election interference by the outgoing Obama administration. During that conversation, Flynn urged Kislyak for Russia to be "even-keeled" in response to the punitive measures, and assured him "we can have a better conversation" about relations between the two countries after Trump became president.

The conversation alarmed the FBI, which at the time was investigating whether the Trump campaign and Russia had coordinated to sway the election's outcome. In addition, White House officials were stating publicly that Flynn and Kislyak had not discussed sanctions.”

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Long story made short is that the FBI was interviewing Flynn about having conversations with Russian reps prior to the 2016 election, which Flynn denied. It turns out that he had, in fact, been negotiating with the Russians on Trumps behalf prior to the 2016 election. That’s the charge to which he pleaded guilty.  

Kinda like when Martha Stewart went to prison for lying to investigators. 

From X Grok:

Flynn was set up with a perjury trap to turn on Trump.  Just like they tried to do against Roger Stone.

Gen. Michael Flynn (retired Lt. Gen. and Trump's first National Security Advisor) was widely viewed by many—including the Trump administration, his legal team, and congressional Republicans—as having been set up (or "entrapped" in a perjury trap) by elements of the FBI during the Russia investigation.

 

politico.com

What Happened (Key Facts)

• In December 2016 (during the presidential transition), Flynn spoke by phone with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Topics included U.S. sanctions on Russia (imposed by Obama) and a UN resolution on Israel. These calls were lawfully intercepted by U.S. intelligence.
• Flynn later denied to Vice President Mike Pence and others that sanctions were discussed. He also denied it to FBI agents during a January 24, 2017, interview at the White House.
• He was charged with one count of lying to the FBI (18 U.S.C. § 1001). Flynn twice pleaded guilty in 2017–2018 as part of a deal with Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team. He cooperated initially but later tried to withdraw the plea.

The "Setup" Evidence That EmergedUnsealed FBI documents (especially in 2020) fueled the "set up" claims:

• Handwritten notes (likely from FBI counterintelligence head Bill Priestap) discussed the interview goal: “What is our goal? Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?”
   

  news4sanantonio.com
• The FBI had already considered closing the "Crossfire Razor" investigation into Flynn but kept it open. Agents debated showing him the Kislyak transcript (they didn't) and didn't formally warn him it was a crime to lie (standard but not always done).
• Flynn's team argued it was a perjury trap with no legitimate investigative purpose—aimed at tripping him up rather than seeking truth. They also claimed prosecutors pressured him (threats to his son, legal costs) and withheld exculpatory evidence (Brady violations).
   

  grassley.senate.gov

The DOJ under Attorney General Bill Barr later moved to drop the charges in May 2020, stating the statements weren't "material" to a legitimate investigation and the case shouldn't have been pursued. Judge Emmet Sullivan resisted but the case ended when Trump pardoned Flynn in November 2020 (and it was formally dismissed).

 

cnn.com

Counter-Arguments

• Flynn did lie (or at least gave false statements) about the calls—transcripts proved the content. He lied to Pence too, which led to his firing.
• Critics (including some legal experts and media) said this was not entrapment under the legal definition: No one forced him to lie; he was predisposed (as a career intelligence officer who knew calls were monitored). Interview tactics like not showing transcripts or aiming to catch inconsistencies are common in investigations.
   

  rdi.org
• The original FBI probe into Flynn's Russia ties was opened with sufficient predication per the DOJ Inspector General (though broader Crossfire Hurricane issues had problems).

Bottom LineFlynn's supporters (and the Trump DOJ) say it was a politically motivated ambush by "dirty cops" at the FBI to damage the incoming administration—part of the "Russia hoax." The interview had questionable motives, and the process (plea pressure, withheld docs) looked coercive. Opponents say he simply got caught lying and the "setup" narrative is an excuse.The case collapsed without a trial or conviction sticking, and Flynn was later compensated in some reports for the ordeal. It remains a flashpoint in debates over FBI conduct during the 2016–2017 Russia probe. Flynn has maintained his innocence on the underlying issue and called it a frame job.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheMissingBand]

Just now, baddog said:

And you voted for Trump again. Got it, but I don’t question your mental capabilities to make an informed decision.

No worries. 
 

I mean… I get it if Flynn maintained his innocence and was found guilty. I’d think it stinks, but at least it would make some sense.  
 

But he did it. He admitted doing it. And now we’re paying him for convicting him of a crime that he admitted doing. 

[thetragichippy]

47 minutes ago, TheMissingBand said:

I knew that most here wouldn’t be able to grasp the complexities of it.

Explain more about this......

[baddog]

3 minutes ago, Reagan said:

From X Grok:

Flynn was set up with a perjury trap to turn on Trump.  Just like they tried to do against Roger Stone.

Gen. Michael Flynn (retired Lt. Gen. and Trump's first National Security Advisor) was widely viewed by many—including the Trump administration, his legal team, and congressional Republicans—as having been set up (or "entrapped" in a perjury trap) by elements of the FBI during the Russia investigation.

 

politico.com

What Happened (Key Facts)

• In December 2016 (during the presidential transition), Flynn spoke by phone with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Topics included U.S. sanctions on Russia (imposed by Obama) and a UN resolution on Israel. These calls were lawfully intercepted by U.S. intelligence.
• Flynn later denied to Vice President Mike Pence and others that sanctions were discussed. He also denied it to FBI agents during a January 24, 2017, interview at the White House.
• He was charged with one count of lying to the FBI (18 U.S.C. § 1001). Flynn twice pleaded guilty in 2017–2018 as part of a deal with Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team. He cooperated initially but later tried to withdraw the plea.

The "Setup" Evidence That EmergedUnsealed FBI documents (especially in 2020) fueled the "set up" claims:

• Handwritten notes (likely from FBI counterintelligence head Bill Priestap) discussed the interview goal: “What is our goal? Truth/admission or to get him to lie, so we can prosecute him or get him fired?”
   

  news4sanantonio.com
• The FBI had already considered closing the "Crossfire Razor" investigation into Flynn but kept it open. Agents debated showing him the Kislyak transcript (they didn't) and didn't formally warn him it was a crime to lie (standard but not always done).
• Flynn's team argued it was a perjury trap with no legitimate investigative purpose—aimed at tripping him up rather than seeking truth. They also claimed prosecutors pressured him (threats to his son, legal costs) and withheld exculpatory evidence (Brady violations).
   

  grassley.senate.gov

The DOJ under Attorney General Bill Barr later moved to drop the charges in May 2020, stating the statements weren't "material" to a legitimate investigation and the case shouldn't have been pursued. Judge Emmet Sullivan resisted but the case ended when Trump pardoned Flynn in November 2020 (and it was formally dismissed).

 

cnn.com

Counter-Arguments

• Flynn did lie (or at least gave false statements) about the calls—transcripts proved the content. He lied to Pence too, which led to his firing.
• Critics (including some legal experts and media) said this was not entrapment under the legal definition: No one forced him to lie; he was predisposed (as a career intelligence officer who knew calls were monitored). Interview tactics like not showing transcripts or aiming to catch inconsistencies are common in investigations.
   

  rdi.org
• The original FBI probe into Flynn's Russia ties was opened with sufficient predication per the DOJ Inspector General (though broader Crossfire Hurricane issues had problems).

Bottom LineFlynn's supporters (and the Trump DOJ) say it was a politically motivated ambush by "dirty cops" at the FBI to damage the incoming administration—part of the "Russia hoax." The interview had questionable motives, and the process (plea pressure, withheld docs) looked coercive. Opponents say he simply got caught lying and the "setup" narrative is an excuse.The case collapsed without a trial or conviction sticking, and Flynn was later compensated in some reports for the ordeal. It remains a flashpoint in debates over FBI conduct during the 2016–2017 Russia probe. Flynn has maintained his innocence on the underlying issue and called it a frame job.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks you. All in all, I’d say that constitutes duress, and I don’t have a law degree.