liltex Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 BH by 10.FYI word says new coach next yr=welp Gage has 2 state championships & 175 career wins=11 more than J Stewart.BH won dist championship in 2011,lost rd #2.Maybe just maybe BH doesn't have the fb atheletes to compete=what coach can fix that,they're undersized & lack strength/speed in comparison to top 4.Be careful what you wish for,if Gage had talent the top 4 21-5a teams had=BH would be lighting up this website= they're Vidor in blue/white god awful uni's=meaning give Matthews the same talent=differant results. Mr. Buddy Garrity, BlackShirts5 and Octfeb 3 Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 But BH fans said they were gonna be great since Gage won state championships in the olden days. Well wha… wha had… welp what had happened was……. BellBiz30 and Octfeb 2 Quote
Football Fan 4 Life Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Some of the BH folks I work with said from the beginning that they were fine with Coach Price, so be careful what you wish for you may not like the outcome. My personal thoughts on that is I agree with my working companions I thought Price did a really good job for BH. I also think in the next several years BH will continue to grow and bounce back with a winning tradition.I got BH by 3tds. Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 Quote
PlayActionPass Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Hmm, lets evaluate this entire situation. Gage is an option (flexbone if I'm not mistaken) guy who won 2 state championships in 1993 and 1996 in Lewisville. He won those championships with a different type of kid than BH has. He is unwilling or unable to change his philosophy. You can NOT be one dimensional at the 4A level or above anymore and win with any consistency. The game has changed and you have to be able to run it and THROW it to win at a high level. Even if you don't throw it great, you have to be able to have the threat of a passing game to win. Now, fast forward to 2015, Southlake Carroll, Lake Travis and a whole host of similar demographic type of schools as BH have won and won big. How have they done it??? They have diffused the athletic advantage of their opponents by spreading them out and using the short, quick, controlled passing game as their running game. Don't tell me BH doesn't have the kids to compete. Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 Quote
BlackShirts5 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 (edited) Playactionpass, I agree with some and disagree. They have the kids to compete with a different system but not the athletes to be elite. By elite I mean 2-3-4 rounds deep every year. Just not going to happen any time soon.Why now I dont know. Crosby seems to be getting athletes to compete at an elite level but its skipping over BH and Baytown area. Is it coaching or what? Edited September 30, 2015 by GCMinTheFuture Quote
PlayActionPass Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 I think it is the system. Nobody wants to play in that ground and pound, under center, 3 yards in a cloud of dust crap anymore. If a kid has talent and his parents are moving to the area, they sure aren't going to BH. Now they sure do get the good band kids and the girls basketball players. Mr. Buddy Garrity and BlackShirts5 2 Quote
BlackShirts5 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 PaP i cant really disagree with you on that one lol. Quote
BH85 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 But BH fans said they were gonna be great since Gage won state championships in the olden days. Well wha… wha had… welp what had happened was……. Smack coming from a PAM fan? Aren't y'all 1-4? Eagle82 1 Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Smack coming from a PAM fan? Aren't y'all 1-4?Its not smack, its fact. Some folks cant handle truth when certain ppl tell it to em, some others NE of here have that same problem. Getting rid of Coach Price not going so well isn't it…… Octfeb 1 Quote
BH85 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Its not smack, its fact. Some folks cant handle truth when certain ppl tell it to em, some others NE of here have that same problem. Getting rid of Coach Price not going so well isn't it…… Not everyone was anti Price and not everyone thought we would automatically be good with Gage. In many high school sports (especially football), parents of current players typically think it's the coach's fault when the winning doesn't happen. I typically back whoever we have in place. Most successful high school coaches are successful due to the Jimmys and Joes as well as how the coach adapts with their X's and O's to the personnel he has. Mr. Buddy Garrity and Eagle82 2 Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 Not everyone was anti Price and not everyone thought we would automatically be good with Gage. In many high school sports (especially football), parents of current players typically think it's the coach's fault when the winning doesn't happen. I typically back whoever we have in place. Most successful high school coaches are successful due to the Jimmys and Joes as well as how the coach adapts with their X's and O's to the personnel he has.which has to be a head scratching thing to ppl since Price was winning and BH said he had to go. Quote
BH85 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 which has to be a head scratching thing to ppl since Price was winning and BH said he had to go. You go 1 round, well you should of went 2. You go 2, you should of went 3. Too many parents won't accept the fact that a loss could be to a better team. It can't be little Johnny, it had to be either the ref or the coach's fault. This goes for all sports. BlackShirts5 and Mr. Buddy Garrity 2 Quote
Clueless Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 IMO, making the playoffs is a bonus. If you happen to win a game or two, then that's icing on the cake. I don't think anyone in BHISD thinks they will win a football state championship anytime soon. I do think people want a coach that is able to adapt to strengths of any given group of boys. The same game plan every game, every year is a issue with some. I personally hate to see a coach lose their job. It's easy to be upset if you have a kid or kids in the system though. Hopefully the boys fight till the end of the season and then let the chips fall where they may. BlackShirts5 1 Quote
PlayActionPass Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 I know this thread is read by many, so I will implore all PNG fans to chime in and blast me. I think BH has just as good as athletes as PNG does. If that is the case, or if they are even close to same caliber athletes, then they should be able to produce similar results. Right or wrong??? Quote
Red Dawn Posted September 30, 2015 Report Posted September 30, 2015 I know this thread is read by many, so I will implore all PNG fans to chime in and blast me. I think BH has just as good as athletes as PNG does. If that is the case, or if they are even close to same caliber athletes, then they should be able to produce similar results. Right or wrong???Not sure they have as good of athletes as PNG. Even if they do, 21-5A is tougher than 22-5A. BH would be more competitive in 22-5A. Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 Quote
Clueless Posted October 1, 2015 Report Posted October 1, 2015 I would say that BH is about the same and I know what PNG has. I do think from top to bottom 21-5A is a little tougher, but not by much. I've lived in both places and so I feel like I can gauge through a fans and parents eyes that they are pretty close to the same talent wise. Honestly, BH doesn't have a gunslinger like Morse and we don't have depth at WR position, but that's kind of hard to gauge since we hardly ever throw unless it's a 3rd and long and everyone in the stadium knows that we will probably have to pass or play the field position game. I think BH has several backs that are like Cropper and could probably do more damage if defense wasn't putting 9 or 10 in the box. Thisn't a shot at the PNG as I know them, just saying we have some kids that can play. Of course I'm not a coach nor do I think I'm an expert by any means, but I do believe we have the athletes to be a Nederland or PNG. I don't think we will ever be a deep playoff team considering what is coming up in the Houston area, but I do think we should year in and year out be able to compete for a playoff spot whether that's 3rd or 4th place. I will say Red Dawn is right and teams like New Caney and even Humble are getting stronger. You throw in Crosby, Dayton, and the recent success of CEK and it's getting tougher. Even with all of those teams, BH shouldn't be getting slapped around to the tune of a 3-5 touchdown difference every game. Just my .02 and I'm sure there is 1,000 different opinions on the subject. Mr. Buddy Garrity, Red Dawn and Cougar14.2 3 Quote
Red Dawn Posted October 1, 2015 Report Posted October 1, 2015 I would say that BH is about the same and I know what PNG has. I do think from top to bottom 21-5A is a little tougher, but not by much. I've lived in both places and so I feel like I can gauge through a fans and parents eyes that they are pretty close to the same talent wise. Honestly, BH doesn't have a gunslinger like Morse and we don't have depth at WR position, but that's kind of hard to gauge since we hardly ever throw unless it's a 3rd and long and everyone in the stadium knows that we will probably have to pass or play the field position game. I think BH has several backs that are like Cropper and could probably do more damage if defense wasn't putting 9 or 10 in the box. Thisn't a shot at the PNG as I know them, just saying we have some kids that can play. Of course I'm not a coach nor do I think I'm an expert by any means, but I do believe we have the athletes to be a Nederland or PNG. I don't think we will ever be a deep playoff team considering what is coming up in the Houston area, but I do think we should year in and year out be able to compete for a playoff spot whether that's 3rd or 4th place. I will say Red Dawn is right and teams like New Caney and even Humble are getting stronger. You throw in Crosby, Dayton, and the recent success of CEK and it's getting tougher. Even with all of those teams, BH shouldn't be getting slapped around to the tune of a 3-5 touchdown difference every game. Just my .02 and I'm sure there is 1,000 different opinions on the subject.Good post. Quote
Cougar14.2 Posted October 1, 2015 Report Posted October 1, 2015 BH by 10.FYI word says new coach next yr=welp Gage has 2 state championships & 175 career wins=11 more than J Stewart.BH won dist championship in 2011,lost rd #2.Maybe just maybe BH doesn't have the fb atheletes to compete=what coach can fix that,they're undersized & lack strength/speed in comparison to top 4.Be careful what you wish for,if Gage had talent the top 4 21-5a teams had=BH would be lighting up this website= they're Vidor in blue/white god awful uni's=meaning give Matthews the same talent=differant results.I'm not so sure BH doesn't go up to Montgomery County and lose Friday night? BH doesn't have a Tray Williams to get 7 carries for 208 and 3 Tds. Porter played relatively clean football and put up 442 yards @ King. I mean, Porter is 1-3 for a reason but I'm not so sure 1-4 BH can take advantage of it?I would think that if BH loses this game it would be tough to finish better than 2-8. Long way back from there in this district. Quote
Clueless Posted October 1, 2015 Report Posted October 1, 2015 I honestly predicted 3-7 after Silsbee game. I figured wins over LCM, Porter, and Galena Park with toss up games being Kingwood Park and Humble. After last week, I feel slot more confident in my prediction unfortunately. Lol Quote
Mr. Buddy Garrity Posted October 1, 2015 Report Posted October 1, 2015 This is definitely a pickem game, pretty sure I'll be changing my pick alot on this one before Friday afternoon. Quote
Clueless Posted October 1, 2015 Report Posted October 1, 2015 This is definitely a pickem game, pretty sure I'll be changing my pick alot on this one before Friday afternoon. The last several years, BH has had their way with Porter. I know every year is a new year and BH is struggling right now, but I think BH pulls out a win in this one. Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 Quote
Crosby fan Posted October 1, 2015 Report Posted October 1, 2015 I work with a few guys whose kids play/played at BH, and from what I am hearing they have several kids quitting even in their senior year. I know if the kids are not excited to play for a coach then the coach doesn't get the best from the players. Mr. Buddy Garrity and BlackShirts5 2 Quote
Guest Posted October 1, 2015 Report Posted October 1, 2015 I heard the same on kids quitting and not playing , There may be a gunslinger at BH, but why would he play at BH? Some good players have gotten out of football, I do think if BH ran a different system they still may lose the games they lost this year, but it would not be blow outs, other than Crosby and King (coming),. Teams have ups and downs in 21 5A, the only for sure thing is Dayton and Crosby are always reloading and in the picture. What will King look like next year or the next ? They had a couple,of good classes, You have Dayton and Crosby and who ever else will be there, but those seem to be year to year, I see a new coach coming in and changing it up, but he still has a long way to go and they are losing some good RBs, We have one of the better RBs in the district in Rogers, but lines up on one side so if he gets the ball you know where he is going, and still gets his yards on about 10 carries a game, he is the best athlete on the team can imagine what he may have done if in the I or as a single set back in he spread. They need to go and find a QB that can sling it and be able to run, they have a soph, but he has a long way to go and nobody else playing that is any better, very limited. Though BH fans should not fool themselves that a new system will equal wins, they need more than that, they need some size and with that they need a weight program, If my kid was training for cross country, BH football is where he needs to go, they run and run some more, bad weight program. It will take a while to get the kids where they need to be, good news is they have some young defensive players that with a good program to get bigger and stronger, should be there by their SR year. .2nd is getting kids to learn a new system and teaching them how to hold on to the ball, I believe we have 13 turnovers in 3 games, so saying our defense is not that good, is not a fair statement,they give up points but 13 turnovers means they live on the field and in bad field position so they get a bad wrap from a bad offense, . BH will be back in the playoff picture but may be a couple of years and still think it will be Crosby or Dayton and then everyone else. But again, like someone stated becareful on what you wish for, I dont know Gage personally but heard he is a good guy, so could get a guy that coaches in a system that does not suit us and be a jerk to the kids, I believe they need to put a interview committee together from people who actually knows football, Maybe we can get some folks on this forum to be on the committee, LOL Mr. Buddy Garrity 1 Quote
Crosby fan Posted October 1, 2015 Report Posted October 1, 2015 Finding the right coach is the key, my son says that everyone loves playing for coach Rio at Crosby. When kids really like playing for someone they will give a 110% and that will start to equal wins. BlackShirts5, Red Dawn, Football Fan 4 Life and 1 other 4 Quote
liltex Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Posted October 1, 2015 I'm not so sure BH doesn't go up to Montgomery County and lose Friday night? BH doesn't have a Tray Williams to get 7 carries for 208 and 3 Tds. Porter played relatively clean football and put up 442 yards @ King. I mean, Porter is 1-3 for a reason but I'm not so sure 1-4 BH can take advantage of it?I would think that if BH loses this game it would be tough to finish better than 2-8. Long way back from there in this district. Word I got=Porter went to that tight run formation KWP used beating King 2014 & King struggled again w/it but came out on top Quote
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