fisherking

Tarver is the only one that left there with a winning record. So again, what track are they on now?[quote name="GrandMasterFlash" post="1187633" timestamp="1330455175"] Considerably better than the last two guys for sure! [/quote]

I am confused? What track is that? 1-9 and 2-8? That is the right track? And if I remember correctly, Walt Mangan was the coach of the only non losing season for HF since 2002 in football? IS the right track basketball in playoffs? Maybe they will give it to Mahaffey now?[quote name="12gage" post="1184002" timestamp="1330032820"] I wish all the success to coach price ,he did a great job in getting HF back on track [/quote]

Because I have the utmost respect for Don Price and his abilities, but he has won only two games since replacing the last guy the community didn't like, it should be obvious to all by now that coaching has never been the problem at HF. Different coaches come and go but always the same results. Why?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1013835" timestamp="1306262990"] And its not all the blame on the new head coach at HF. He's working with what he's got to work with at HF. GIVE him a chance and time to see what he can do. [/quote] Well from past indications Price should have this year and maybe next year only to prove something or he will be forced to "retire" again by powers to be, and HF will start all over again, either way HF will have another AD/FB coach in a year or 2 because thats is what they do and will do till they realize there coaching cannot make up for unequal talent and nonaccountability of the kids and parents in the community. They should have known  when they hired Price out of "retirement" he wasn't going to be around very long.

[quote name="Go-rilla" post="1013506" timestamp="1306155610"] why do yall hate on the winningest coach in your school's history?? I dont understand?? Guy had BH winning at everything and people hate him for it. [/quote] Winningest coach in HF history??? How do you figure?? He has won one game as Head Coach, so you must be talking about his overall record? But that isn't true because HF is still the district that fired PHIL DANAHER prior to his winning 300 games at Calallen so that can't be it either? So what do you mean?

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="980428" timestamp="1299768431"] [quote author=ford15 link=topic=81494.msg980364#msg980364 date=1299729087] What Qualities Needed For The New Hamshire Fannett Basketball Coach ? Thick skin!! [/quote]Okay, I see where you are taking this ;) As I have said before, I thought HF just didn't have a lot of talent and the coach was working with what he had there. I saw two varsity games last year and made that assessment. At the beginning of this season I had an open mind and watched the Freshmen, JV and Varsity games. The varsity had more talent than I realized. Not great talent but enough talent to challenge for a third spot in their district. I didn't say win but challenge for the third spot. As far as thick skin, maybe the coach will need it to run his basketball program the way he sees fit to run it. But don't try and blame the parents for recognizing obvious flawes on the court. Personally, I hope HF gets a coach that instills discipline on that team and really believes he can win no matter what team he plays. So if a coach needs thick skin to instill discipline in his team....he don't need to be coaching. ;) [/quote] Hey, Dove, you may want to check with your next door neighbor. He coached basketball before, including some at HF from what I remember. I see his house is still for sale so maybe you could get him as the basketball coach?

[quote name="Freddy Krueger" post="789742" timestamp="1271195798"] good luck to you fisherking. [/quote] He may be gone but I'm not Freddy!

And how did your son sustain the initial knee injury?? Playing jr. high football or an outside school sport such as? If your son hurt his knee running a mile than he probably should not have been released by the doctor so I think your blame should go to that source dont you? And I would be careful how much fact you take from your description of the "program" unless you have actually witnessed it with your own eyes, because you may be called to the mat on it and hurt your son even more in another year when he gets to the High School. To me it is another example of kids not wanting to do something and parents supporting their weak excuses. author=WJBooger link=topic=67983.msg785808#msg785808 date=1270268317] First off, I keep reading that this parent didn't want his kid participating in the weight lifting "program." There is no program or regimen or plan. It's just a bunch of junior high kids sent to a weight room to do whatever while the coach is off taking care of other business. My son has informed me that the coaches are not present while the lifting is going on. Secondly, we are accused of believing we know more than these junior high coaches. Quick scenario: after two knee surgeries in eight months, my son was released to play junior high basketball. After playing in a school basketball tournament one weekend, my son was required to run a mile on Monday. Halfway through the mile he started complaining about his knee hurting. He was made to finish the run. Later that night, his knee was the size of a small melon. Tuesday back to the doctor and now we are shut down until May. Tell me how I am suppose to trust my son's welfare with these coaches. [/quote]

prove it aggiesare we [quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="785646" timestamp="1270228220"] Old doc, here is a question for you. Do high school football players lift weights or do any workout sessions on gamedays? I know of several schools, with HF being one of them, that has their basketball and baseball players doing workouts on game days. [/quote]

Now I am beginning to see what really has taken place at HF over the last couple of AD's and its obvioous it will conintue with whoever they hire for this next one. This is obviously why "numbers are down" in football at HF, parents making decisions for kids in the best interest of what they think for their kids and their other sports outside of football and then having the option of either doing it like all other kids in the program or not playing. And of course they choose to not to do it and take the easy way out and quit. It is an attitude not a coach. It will only change when the attitude changes not the coach.

[quote name="True Blue Mom" post="781881" timestamp="1269535819"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=67443.msg781727#msg781727 date=1269526364] Da Dove know football talent too. Talent is talent. Talent rise no matter whose coaching. There is a difference between talent and being athletic.  It's easy to blame a coach when talent or athletes don't work to be the best. [/quote]Talent is different from athletic ability, however, there is talent at other grade levels.  If you have read my posts, I've never placed all or the majority of the responsibility (and I use the word responsibility because it's not blame - everyone has to step up and own their part)  on coaches.  I've maintained that there are multiple problems, but coaching does figure in the mix.  And yes, coaching can keep even real talent from coming through.  Not enough time or space on this to explain all the ways it does, but it certainly does, and if you know as much about sports as you maintain and have played for enough coaches, you'll know there is truth in what I say.    [/quote] The only thing good coaches can do for any athletic program is improve the level of talent of the athletes better, but whether that leads to wins and losses another issues, it is all relative. And the relativity in wins and losses comes from how much talent is there to work with, period. Some coaches succeed and some do not, but with the level of talent I saw this year in two games, no coach would have made a difference in HF, none, and definitely not in less tha, 3 years of time. Coach Price, no matter how good he is will have time to improve HF football in less than 3 years, nor any other coach for that matter unless there is a great deal of talent come in to program immediately.

[quote name="True Blue Mom" post="781330" timestamp="1269448366"] And a great coach is adept at realistically assessing the strengths and weaknesses of the players and opponents then capitalizing on them.   Not so great coaches try to put a square peg in a round hole and wonder why it doesn't work. [/quote] Well what do you do if you have no pegs square or round but still alot of holes to fill??

[quote name="Rizon" post="780415" timestamp="1269301381"] Anyone knows about those two guys from Katy? Which Katy school are those two guys from b/c if they are from the Katy Tigers program...could be guys who know how to get the most out of their athletes and know how to win. I still think they will stay inside with the two guys that were not there befor mangan or guys he did not bring in. They have proven AD success and they are already there (not part of the problems either from what I understand). I guess we shall soon see but one thing for sure, a lot of good quality coaches on there...someone should be able to come in and win. [/quote] A question for those that know more than me. Has HF ever hired an AD from within?? At least in the last 25 years? And if the two on staff that applied were brought in by Mangan, will administration really hire them the same administration thought the program was not going in the right direction?

Unlike college and professional football programs, high school coaches have what they have, period. You know the old saying you can't make chicken salad out of chicken.....? Well you know the missing word. No disrespect to anyone at HF intended. And like I said earlier, in the two games I saw in person this year, HF was outmatched in talent, size, and speed, it was that simple. Therefore, it is unfair running off two AD's in 3 years, and its is no way to "build a program, no matter how bad you think they are as a coaches. Which time was administration wrong when they hired them or when they fired them?? Because they do have blame now, anyway you look at it.

[quote name="smitty" post="768192" timestamp="1267369737"] Prayers go out to his family... [Hidden Content] [/quote] We losr a very good human being . God bless you Coach Helduser.

Nederland vs Brenham, it was posted on another site 7:30pm, Monday night at North Shore High School.

Changing the AD can only go so far. Turning a program around requires more than a one person change, it requires an influx of a great group of talent for a 2-3 year period in succession and the ability to change the attitude and expectations of the kids and that only comes about with many new faces, and attitudes. and some successes on the field. And whoever gets the HF job will not have the ability to change the staff much at all. The only job that keeps being changed at HF is the AD, everything else stays the same.

Let me clear it up for you bro, king fisher, X is not me and I am not X. But I agree with X in this argument. If kids are leaving HF, it must be for athletic purposes, since HF was exemplary and is academically one of the best districts around, it has to be for athletic purposes.

It is really amazing how this topic started as a rumor and entirely speculative, and still remains that way. There has been no confirmation one way or another of the firing but yet according to most on here the firing has happened and his replacement has already been named and hired. And kingfisher, I believe I answered it clearly, when I explained what I saw this year. The talent pool in football this year was no doubt lacking by huge amounts, whether by injury, quitting, or youth. They had no chance to win the two games I saw in person no matter who was coaching the team. If Booger is right, I guess we will know soon enough the answer to the speculation but we will probably never know the whole story. Which time is the superintendent and school board at fault in the demise of the football program? The time they hired the current coach or the time this time when they fired him? At what point do you look at the mentality of the people running the district rather than one person?? According to Bluedove, HF has talent coming and therefore whoever's the HC will have a better chance of winning in all boys sports than the current HC. But in my observations, of all sports, building a successful program takes more than 2 or 3 years, especially one as low as HF was/is. For the first couple of years, after a change in HC, a football program is playing on the level of development and coaching of the previous HC. If I were the board, I would be more concerned with 0-10 in football if there were enormous participation numbers in football than 0-10 with a small number of kids playing. Why are the kid quitting? To play other sports? Football too demanding? No desire to play? Specialization? No coach would have ever made me quit something I truly loved.

[quote name="kingfisher" post="761907" timestamp="1266517035"] fisherking, bro, where you at? your opinion about the talent at hf? [/quote] Well since you asked my opinion, I only thing I can go by is the two games I saw in person this year and both games I saw them they looked very very overmatched in most categories (especially size, team speed) compared to their opponents on the field. The one thing that stood out most in the game was the 10 to 12 players I saw on the sidelines not suited out. They had like only 24 or 25 players in uniform. And the only other time I saw them two years ago when they beat Silsbee, by like 21 + points. that was impressive and a shocker. And I believe it is the same coach. So you be the judge?

Congratulations to Coach Evans and his staff. This must truly be an honor to him and his coaches.

Oh really PhatMack, it has gotten interesting. Which one of the posters on here is the AD? Because I haven't really read anyone on here defending the AD just wondering if rumors are true? Superstar if 0-10 is the reason for the change then so be it. Then we have been arguing for no reason. Good luck to all.

[quote name="RatedRSuperstar" post="761512" timestamp="1266458887"] Disagree all you want. Everything I stated is a fact. The bottom line is until there are changes at the top, nothing will change at all. [/quote] If "the bottom line" was what u were trying to say before than I agree. But I cannot agree with the mentality of administration "firing" a coach at will for having a higher set of standards kids do not want to follow and using participation numbers as a reason as stated by "booger." What message are you sending to the kids?? Complain enough and we'll listen even if your wrong?

So what ur saying is, this rumored firing is justified by what has been said?? Seems to me this is the same as not playing the right kid, but they just quit and go to another sport because they aren't playing instead of momma coming up and getting her way? And disagree with you about the overall success of the HF athletic program the last few years. And soccer? Isn't this the first year of playing varsity?

[quote name="WJBooger" post="761178" timestamp="1266425435"] Coach Mangan was informed on Friday, Feb. 5th, by Superintendent Elliott that his services were no longer needed. Coach Mangan told a few of the parents this himself at the final middle school basketball games. His release does not become official until the next school board meeting which I believe is on the 22nd. Coach Mangan does have one year left on his contract and I believe he has offered to stay for the remainder of that contract in whatever capacity they can use him. This coach did do some good things here at HF. The total number of students participating in athletics is up since he started, just not in football. We have a no one gets cut policy, so anyone can participate. Coach's attitude toward discipline is at times a little over the top. While some athletes thrive on it, some of the athletes can not handle it. We all know that kids today are not like we were. The coach was always right and our parents told us to keep our mouths shut and stick it out. In our permissive society, it doesn't work that way. While the total number of participants are up, a lot of "athletes" chose not to play directly under him. And althoug I don't necessarily agree, I believe this led to his ouster. [/quote] If what you way is true because you have alot of detailed information, but this all seems speculative. But if true, HF is a sad place to be if an AD and/or head coaches are being fired for too many rules and too much discipline in an athletic program. What a dismal place to work. And  your right things are not the way they used to be nor . Sad sad sad.