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22 hours ago, HOOPDR3AMS said:

Montverde, IMG, Oak Hill, Sunrise, Findlay, etc are all very, very good, but they should be.  They pull talent from all over the country and even the world.  Of course they should strum a school like Yates, who only pulls players from all over Houston.  And a typical high school team only gets kids from their own town or district.  It's not a level playing field, but we're not getting into that again.

Now, Montverde vs SFA or a mid-major is an interesting question.  They'd be more talented and their potential is MUCH higher, but I've heard Marvin Lewis say potential gets you beat.  The difference in the body of a 21 yr old compared to a 16 yr old is huge.  The difference mentally is even more pronounced.  I'd argue that coaching would be in favor of an SFA as well.  Those prep coaches would jump at the opportunity to be a D1 coach.  How much strategy goes into beating high school teams by 50 with a team of all stars?  How much struggle and adversity?  The benefit of going to those prep schools is to practice against the best day in and day out and they serve that purpose.  I don't think Montverde would win a mid major conference though.

Not to mention that any give year the special All USA prep teams have and can be beat by juggernaut  Houston High Schools, and have  in the past. Used to witness It at the Academy Tourney every year when it was held here. Carmelo Anthony, Tyson chandler , Micheal Beasley, Martellus Bennett , jarien grant  , and several Rainer Beach ,  and oak hill teams that were stacked with multiple one and doners .. watched the great willowridge , Waltrip , milby and yates teams .. and don’t think any could beat a d one program. Like you say we would know who the best players are but I’d take the college kids. 

9 minutes ago, TheTruth34 said:

I completely agree. They best college basketball team would have zero chance against the worst NBA team. The NBA is filled the the most elite basketball talent across the world. In the SFA vs. Montverde topic. MVA has multiple guys that will play in the NBA one day and SFA has none. College big men would struggle against Tucker because he is one of the best 300 basketball players in the world, not just because of experience.

Tucker is a specialist in the nba that knows what his role wit the rockets . He wasn’t a hot  prospect coming out of Ut . He was drafted in the 2nd round and was a journeyman just like a couple of those southland conference players will be , some will go over seas , some into the nba Undrafted and be specialist .. all college players are closer to being a finished product and knowing their roles than High school players

5 hours ago, TxHoops said:

Huge difference between football and basketball.  Huge.  There’s a reason they have to stay in college longer (Or have to go to college) in that sport than the others.  Comparing apples and asparagus.  

Bruh I think u missed my point .. I know there’s a difference.  I’m just saying from a competition standpoint. 

the point I’m trying to make is that regardless of sport  it’ll be Very hard for an elite group of kids that are 15-18 to beat college Level kids that are 17-22..one of the main reasons is due to  the 17-22 year old group having faced elite experience and competition. Experience and competition that you can’t replicate on the high school level.. only my opinion tho ..lol 

Pj tucker uses other things that comes with experience and being a NBA veteran  to make up for his lack of height and other deficiencies   . The best big man in college would struggle vs him, he’ll they would even struggle vs harden down low. You guys are u underrating basketball experience , and basketball experience vs competition. 

When I was younger I would debate my gpa And uncle on whether on the best 5a high school  Football team could beat the worst swac team , my gpa would be like no because what the college players lack physically  they supplement it with experience/iq and technique 

On 3/24/2020 at 2:04 PM, TxHoops said:

Let me add that not a team in the SLC has guards equivalent at the college level to a James Harden and Russell Westbrook.   What they would be playing vs MV is guards that ARE the equivalent - at that level of course.  Along with bigs that are blue chip program level elites. 

Is all of mv key players seniors ? I agree that if the game was played we would no doubt  know who the best players are in the game.. but the major mismatch is college upper classmen vs 10th graders... regardless of height and size , maturity and Basketball iq is a big advantage... especially when ya dealing with kids that are in the  15-22 age range .. each year is a huge gap until u reach ur peak 

23 minutes ago, TxHoops said:

All that to say Yates shouldn’t feel disrespected when someone says they aren’t on the same planet with that team.  If Montverde came at them and played tip to buzzer with the same intensity they do against IMG, they realistically beat JY by 80-90 points.  Yates doesn’t have a kid on their campus that can keep CC from doing anything he wants (look at his stat line in that game).  And Barnes can put either one of those bigs in the rim as often as he wants.  

I can agree with them dragging yates but a mid level D1 college team idk bruh .. especially a team full of upperclassmen ... the iq and physical level of 21-22 year olds .. idk bruh !! 

15 minutes ago, BADSANTA said:

They are losing 9 seniors 🤣🤣🤣. Thet will recruit to get back right

sounds like ur bitter and have excuses already 

3 minutes ago, BADSANTA said:

This is kind of a waisted recruiting season for Jack Yates huh?? 

Yea ok !!!... but to poo on  ur parade ... based on what yates  have coming back they’ll be favs to win region again next year .. so step ur game up and stop wanting to move the Goal post when it doesn’t benefit y’all 

8 hours ago, TxHoops said:

I would concede it might have been closer than 58-14 at half.  But MV’s best player only took like 7 shots in that game.  Reminded me of a pickup game where the team that has been waiting finally gets a shot and the team that owns the floor puts in cruise control and takes a rest while playing and keeping the floor.   It wasn’t even remotely competitive.  Kind of like a Silsbee vs HF game before Coach Tigee.   Merely to point out that arguably the most talented team in the state looked like scrubs against the team awarded the National Championship at the HS level.  But to put it in further perspective and to show you what Yates was dealing with, I am convinced of something after seeing several of the SLC teams this year.  Montverde would beat some, if not most, of the teams in that league.   

Wow .. ya think so ? I think that would be super tough 

20 minutes ago, catfever said:

Love everything about San Antonio except the venue. 

Facts .. the kids, parents and fans deserve better than that. Parking and getting into that place is horrible The Alamodome isn’t even a good place to watch a football game.

3 minutes ago, SportsJunkie32 said:

All 3 tech’s is against Waxahachie Life, Coach Wise don’t play any of his players saying anything or Viking up tech’s 

Yes that’s crazy ..he received a warning today .. but in 12 years ion think him or any of his players have ever received a tech .. have never seen any of his players do anything borderline dirty 

5 minutes ago, whsalum said:

If this year is any indication Yates team for next season probably isn’t on the floor yet. 

I thought this was a game day thread and i see ur super salty!!  the transfer thingy goes both ways ..kids in Houston are less stable than pretty much anywhere else in the state  . I see it’s kinda hard for most on here  to  understand that ..most of  you  all want to draw  the line up until the point to where it stops benefiting you ... Stop knit picking and congratulate the kids for their accomplishments 

11 minutes ago, AggiesAreWe said:

Yates will be losing around 90% of their scoring

The gap will close some but They will still be the favorites next year .. 23,12, and 5 are Also super solid and are starters pretty much every where else ... 

2 minutes ago, DXTR said:

Only averaging about 35 a game

He’s carrying them On his Back for sure ..should have at least that and some this game 

4 for silsbee is a dog .. hasn’t came out for a second and doesn’t look as if he’s broken a sweat 

1 hour ago, stevenash said:

So the coach was "pretty much entertained by that"?  In what way was he " pretty much entertained"? It was the kids 5th foul and the last game of his career so there was no need to jerk him off the court.  The coach has a full minute to determine the substitute and the player is to remain on the floor until his substitute has been selected.  He was the coaches son who, at a young age nearly lost his life and it has been a very long journey for the father/son.  Hence the embrace which was belittled and mocked by some folks directly behind the HJ bench and the coach took issue with it.  I'm sure you would have handled it differently, right?

Entertained meaning he did nothing ..he Simply smiled and said something in his teams defense to the ref ... and him almost dying Does not give Him a pass to be disrespectful towards the officials ...did he even go shake wises hand after he fouled out ?  IMO as far as the crowd the coach should not be screaming back and forth with anyone in the crowd.. in this situation the coach is the professional.. not classy by the crowd or the coach  ... then the interview afterwards ... low class 

1 hour ago, stevenash said:

If its uneven and unfair for everyone, then it is actually even and fair, right?

Absolutely not ... don’t know what ur trying to reach for but to set the record straight I’m black  and yes it’s harder for us but do I complain about it. No I don’t ... Off subject .. let’s return to the topic 

5 minutes ago, stevenash said:

What player was disrespectful?  To whom was he disrespectful?   In what manner he display his disrespect?

Disrespect towards the official Resulting in him getting a tech  and the coach pretty much being entertained by it ... didn’t pull him out the game or pull him to the side .. he basically sided with his player and barked at the officials after the tech ... Poor class and some sour /salty loser type stuff...Then to scream in the audience And make those statements after the game ... then y’all on here justifying it 

1 minute ago, stevenash said:

To what uneveness do you refer?eve

1 minute ago, stevenash said:

To what uneveness do you refer?

Life being uneven and unfair for everyone 

24 minutes ago, Setx fan said:

If it’s a legit transfer (meaning no recruitment was involved) it’s fine with me. I have no reason to favor any one of these programs over the other. I support all SETX programs. I’m just giving my opinion from the outside looking in. I have no clue who’s actually recruiting who’s not but certain things look more suspicious than others. Transfers happen all the time. Kids go to different programs for different reasons. Not every time do these reasons involve recruiting. In fact I believe my hometown, Woodville lost a good 2 sport athlete to Silsbee a couple years back. We don’t get a whole lot of great athletes in Woodville so that hurt us I think. But I don’t think any recruiting was involved. I believe he had family ties in Silsbee or may have lived there before at one point and it didn’t hurt that Silsbee has a great athletic program which I think had something to do with him and his family’s decision also. I think that transfer hurt Woodville a lot more than it helped Silsbee which is the killer part lol. But I don’t think there was any recruiting involved. I think that was a decision he and his family made on their own. Now those type of things happen all the time but when 4 or 5 good athletes transfer to a program at one time with no ties to the community that raises eyebrows. If you can prove a coach is recruiting players on a small or large scale than I am all the way with you but if your just going to throw allegations out there because a program has had a transfer or 2 over the years sounds like your reaching 

A lot of those kids have ties to yates .. great grandparents, grandparents , or parents went there ..yates is a very old school ...with yates basketball  ur argument goes both ways ... they lose kids to the ft bend schools which are always exceptional in basketball , they lose kids to Prep and private schools ... this balances out.. yates does not have to recruit any players ...players already want to go there .. 

4 minutes ago, stevenash said:

And you have no complaints that you sometime voice about the "uneveness" of your life other than basketball?  You never feel that you are a victim?  You believe in self responsibility and believe that everyone should be held accountable for their lot in life?

I Work hard , and control the things that I can control, I don’t complain To my kids about the unevenness ..I tell them to work hard and treat everyone like they want to be treated   ... but I’m not gonna make a big issue  Or go to the media about something that I’ was guilty of doing years  back ...Clay Davis was Clearly  out of line for those comments and for allowing his player to be disrespectful..and y’all are on here Justifying his comments , actions / lack of actions 

48 minutes ago, Setx fan said:

No....I like to keep the goal post where it’s at and keep the playing fields even. 

So it’s justified for HJ to  benefit from a marginal .transfer as long as it’s only one super star ... ...sounds   Either hypocritical.or sounds like moving the goal post to me ...Is it fair that everytime that yates play In Huntsville it’s 5 vs 8 ? When they lost to silsbee in 2018 was anybody saying that ? Stop with the excuseS where I’m from life is uneven for most people 

9 minutes ago, Setx fan said:

I don’t know much about that situation. But from what I hear HJ may have one transfer playing on the team. Just because you get a transfer does not mean you’ve been actively recruiting. But when you get multiple transfers that definitely raises a red flag. 4 or 5 transfers is definitely worth a conversation and since we’ve been having the conversation the people who call themselves defending these recruiters haven’t really claimed they’re not recruiting. In fact they have said things like “this coach has been knowing these players for years” and “they’d rather play for this coach than anyone else” which sounds like recruitment to me lol. Then they try to defend it by saying other coaches have done it also which verry well may be true but if so it’s done on a smaller scale and less obvious. That’s why those situations don’t get discussed much. They’re normal and may be innocent transfers. Even if they aren’t they’re less obvious 

I see you’re the type of person  that likes to move the goal post .. 

1 hour ago, AggiesAreWe said:

So what you are saying is that because Yates losses players to other schools it is deemed necessary (and ok and expected) for Yates to seek other players from other schools. Correct?

Not saying that ... im saying it pretty much balances out .. nobody brings this up when they lose , ( nobody says yates  lost because Tyrone went from Cullen to Strake , or they lost because Deandre Jordan decided to attend a prep school etc ...) and Are u saying that they should continue to get raided and  just do nothing  ... if Schools are legally finding loopholes to snag ur schools players .. wouldn’t u want ur school to do the same ?