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[quote name="DChatman2008" post="1412509" timestamp="1370958915"]
Do you think Chatman of summer creek high will have big-time offers from big-time schools by the time he is a senior at Summer Crek
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Couldn't tell you.  I have never seen this individual play (i am assuming its you).

If i were this individual i wouldn't worry about it.  pour your heart into the game, do your very best, and things will work out.

Lol.  You played them when they were absent a senior class...and brand spanking new.  It takes 10 years or so for a program to get its footing (most, not all)

Comparing what you did to Atascocita back when it started and what it is now, is not only irrational its unfair.    You beat a JV program the first year, and the second game was closer....as i recall it was 21-14 at the half, with a final of 35-21.  Again this was a 2nd year program that was primarily filled with juniors as the starters (Because they split and directly went to varsity with 9-11, all viable juniors for varsity...played for Humble.  At the time, if you were on a varsity squad, you did not have to transfer with your class to Atascocita).

Atascocita was plagued with an incompetent Head coach for the first 6 years of its existence.  They produced what you would expect a Colbert team to produce.    Anyone familiar with Colbert will tell you that the man was more a determent to development of game plans then a contributor.

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Summer Creek is going to lose alot of their players after this year but we are not crying .we will just reload
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LOL!  You haven't been around long enough to reload, nor has your team or fans even earned the right to utter the phrase "we will just reload".   

I will wager you don't make the playoffs in your first year in 5a.  [b]Right now[/b], Atascocita and Kingwood are both better than you....both are pretty much .500 teams in 5a.      That's with Sharp at QB.  You don't have the horses to run with either one of them.  Now take Sharp away, and a heavy senior team...replace it with what you will have in 2014....yeah, i don't think so.
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Have you seen Atascocita? They cannot beat SC in football, and that's right now
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Atascocita would wipe the floor with SC in the trenches and that's where it matters. Lets see what happens to sharp when he is running for his life the entire game.
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Exactly....  Not only that they have an enrollment of 3200 kids....they are every bit as talented as SC at the skill spots.

Lol.  Delusional if you think you could hang with atascocita or Kingwood for an entire game.    Kingwood is huge upfront in comparison to sc....and atascocita can match sc athlete for athlete with more depth and a offensive spread mastermind in stump.    Sc could compete for maybe 3 quarters, after that ahs and khs take over.  SC has a good team but it isn't a better team either team faced 7 out of 10 games last year.  They faired well against team that would of hung 60 on SC with little trouble.

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Summer Creek is going to lose alot of their players after this year but we are not crying .we will just reload
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LOL!  You haven't been around long enough to reload, nor has your team or fans even earned the right to utter the phrase "we will just reload".   

I will wager you don't make the playoffs in your first year in 5a.  Right now, Atascocita and Kingwood are both better than you....both are pretty much .500 teams in 5a.      That's with Sharp at QB.  You don't have the horses to run with either one of them.  Now take Sharp away, and a heavy senior team...replace it with what you will have in 2014....yeah, i don't think so.
[/quote]They will get beat senseless weekly by Spring ISD and Klein ISD, their best chance of winning a district game would be versus Atascocita and Kingwood IMO  ;) 8)
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Both of those schools have more depth.  Kingwood usually has a huge roster of 80+ Varsity kids, and Atascocita is right around 70 with a program with 250+ kids.    Kingwood is on a upswing with their new head coach, i think we are about to see that program transform into something similar to The Woodlands.   

either way, i think without sharp.  Its a 21+ win for either of those two teams.

You are right though, the Spring and Klein schools would destroy them in embarrassing manners.

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What are your thoughts on the salaries of coaches in our region?  Do you think they're over-paid or under-paid?  Some coaches make double a teacher's salary.  The pressure to win seems pretty intense.  [b]Could we someday see 200, 300, 500K salaries for top programs?  Are some already getting this through an incentive program?[/b]

Also, what about the players?  The same issue exists in high school as with college, there's some serious money being made on Friday nights thanks to the talent that's on the field.  At least college athletes get a paid education.  Public high schools are paid for by the tax payers.  Should the kids get some education funds set aside for use at the next level?
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No.  Not unless inflation hits 100%+

And no.  paying HS kids is a ludicrous notion.  that opens the door to more illegal recruiting.  The Money made is not so incredible that people are becoming filthy rich.    The football programs help float the other sports, and help pay for multi-million dollar stadiums.    Better football teams, means better facilities, which means higher property values, which means more development,  which means higher revenue for schools.    That is the cycle.  It isn't formatted like college football.  Football is an investment that pays out much different than hard cash. 

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Summer Creek is going to lose alot of their players after this year but we are not crying .we will just reload
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The scary part is this looming 5A jump ...coupled with a rebuilding year ...yikes!
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It won't be pretty.  Of Course, i would love for Humble and SC to switch places.  Would like nothing more then to see us with enough kids to compete in 5A Again....Where are traditional rivals are: Kingwood, Ike, Nimitz, The Woodlands, Spring, etc.   

But the powers want SC to be 5a sooner rather then later, disregarding decades of tradition.

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Summer Creek is going to lose alot of their players after this year but we are not crying .we will just reload
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LOL!  You haven't been around long enough to reload, nor has your team or fans even earned the right to utter the phrase "we will just reload".   

I will wager you don't make the playoffs in your first year in 5a.  Right now, Atascocita and Kingwood are both better than you....both are pretty much .500 teams in 5a.      That's with Sharp at QB.  You don't have the horses to run with either one of them.  Now take Sharp away, and a heavy senior team...replace it with what you will have in 2014....yeah, i don't think so. 

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Humble was horrible last year.  The last decent year Humble had was after their 5A drop 4A (see GTown as well for inherent advantage after dropping down).  We'll see if Humble can hang this year. Last year's squad was weak.
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That was only 3 years ago.  They had two bad seasons.  The year prior they under performed considerably.  They couldn't finish games, and the team just fell apart towards the end of the season.  it wasn't a talent issue, it was an attitude issue.  Gtown won't suffer the same problems humble did, because gtown coaches won't allow them to become complacent.  Humble drop in 2011-2012 wasn't a drop in experience or talent....it was entirely mentality and coaching.  2012 was a case of rebuilding a program that took a massive hit from splits and graduation.  The senior class last year when freshman were only 36 kids...it was a weak class to start due to the split.  You can't graduate 40+ kids and have only 3-4letterman return And expect them to be able to compete against far more seasoned teams.  We basically ran a JV team last year with all the change that comes with a new coach.    humble will be far more competitive this year and will compete for district title in 2014.

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398 you can argue all you want but like I said he was the weakest of the recent backs Katy has had. Aundre Dean who was the best of them all is buried on TCU's depth chart just like DY would be. I never said anything about him having bad grades on being a problem, I said NOT EVEN that stuff would make him be lowly rated. For him being the total package like you say he didn't do a single thing all the Katy backs do. Forget my opinion though, here's what rivals thought.

Dean - http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Aundre-Dean-57215

Taylor - http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Adam-Taylor-127994;_ylt=Ak01e7H7sA7Z6YY6m1L8RKlIPZB4

Young - http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/player-Donovonn-Young-99446;_ylt=AmX6s8dIYbVSS6MbPSN7BNpIPZB4

I guess whatever your reasons are are better than rivals for him only getting 2 d1 offers?

Your Humble argument is weak too. Y'all still have nearly 1600 kids in your high school. Y'all were good because you had 3000+ kids to choose from. Now your fertile recruiting ground is comparable to Porter. Y'all are North Forest in this district, a complete non-factor. I think y'all only crossed the 50 yard line on us twice last year and one of those was a long run late. Only way y'all will be relevant in this area in 4a is to get out of the district with BH, Crosby and Dayton.

Lastly, look at the demographics of the NFL. It's almost 70% black. The majority of those players grew at a disadvantage. Like I said, I'll take the kid who had it a little harder over that kid that had it handed to them.
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You sir are incredibly obtuse.  I think we have effectively beat this into the ground.  I do not agree with you, and i have personal knowledge that suggest i am right.  However, because i don't believe in airing out personal details we will just have to leave it as is.  However, i will strongly disagree with you that he didn't do what other Katy backs have done... In fact that is absurd.  He is either 1 or 2 in terms of single season production in their history.

Senior year:  244 carries  2309 yards  9.5 yards per carry  36 TD's. (I believe he is second all time in running td's in a single season for Katy...sharing 160 carries with Adam Taylor....  and is behind Adam Taylor's senior season numbers ... who played in 3 more cames then Young and still average less yards per carry)

Thats on 100 less carries then Dean, 10 more touchdowns, and nearly 3 more yards per carry....nearly identical yards.    And Dean had equal or better offensive line.

Yet....he hasn't done what they have done? 


Humble on the same talent level as Porter?  Are you freaking serious?  Now i know you have no idea what you are talking about.  1. Humble had a brand new coach, and was completely and totally vacant of varsity experience last year.  They returned 3 varsity players...2 started....form a 4-6 team (that saw two kids go D1.  Boyette (Texas) Ezell (Baylor)).    The coach arrived in may, not enough time to hold a spring practice for a completely different system (went from spread to power set).  Started a bunch of kids that had never played varsity ball before, in a system they didn't grow up learning...against competition that all had seasoned players.  OH yeah, and we split with SC two years prior.  I don't care who you are, if you get split up twice in 8 years...you are going to struggle at some point.

I think you are going to be surprised with what humble puts on the field, if you hold the mentality that we don't have the talent to compete in our district.  We aren't the 5a Humble anymore, but talent wise we can hold our own against Crosby, SC, and Dayton....most certainly BH.   

i also disagree with you on the premise, that someone that grows up in poverty is necessarily hungrier because of his situation.  That may of been true years ago, but statistically speaking it isn't the case anymore.  In fact, their is a greater chance that he is more entitled.  Poor people, today, are proportionally lazier due to a myriad of reasons.  That can all be backed by Socio-demographic case studies.  However, it doesn't mean that a kid without a garage couldn't be hungrier... nor does it mean a kid with a garage is going to be any less hungry. 

Desire, drive, and effort are not bound by your social or economic status.  Its not an accurate assessment to suggest otherwise.  Poverty can be a great motivator if you use it right, but more often than not...its an inhibiter by those that play a victim card.

But we probably shouldn't touch this subject with a ten foot pole. 

[quote name="cougar14" post="1412065" timestamp="1370707972"]
I don't care how many points of contention you have, you're mistaken in your assessments. I don't know what these personal issuses you speak of about D. Young but fact of the matter is he was a three star back and received three star offers. These issues had absolutely NOTHING to do with how he was rated. Rivals doesn't care about grades and "issues", they grade football players. Young was an unranked back period. Taylor and Dean both started at least two years and had well over 4000 career yards while DY started started one and had less than 3000 career yards behind the best line of them all. Your thoughts about him are exactly what they are, your thoughts, and please with this total package stuff. The other guys were 4 stars and Dean is 4th on the TCU depth chart. My thoughts echo the sentiment of that first Wednsday in February.

Miss me with that "this is what Texas High School Football is really all about". Nobody is prouder or has boasted louder to more people about what high school football means down here in Texas. You sound like a mouth-breather saying stuff like "its a fact that D1 talent more than ofter doesn't contribute to elite program status". Other than Katy name me an elite program that doesn't have elite talent? Lake Travis maybe but they had an enrollment advantage and the Gatorade National Player of the Year, first round L when they play the kids with the same enrollment though. What it's all about is those kids over there in Katy have a head start on life compared to the majority of kids that play on a team like North Shore or Skyline or Westfield or Lamar. For most of these kids if they don't get a scholarship they will never see the inside of a college classroom, on the other hand while most may not graduate the majority of the kids at Katy will at least attend some sort of college some point. Heck yeah you would take the kid from Katy over NS if you were trying to project their tangent's in life. There's an exponential chance in a lot of cases. You take him though, I'll take the kids that didn't grow up with a garage and try to coach them up because I know they'll be the hungriest and that's exactly what you see with the NFL numbers. Trey Hopkins and Sedrick Flowers will be drafted and if my cousin can make a roster this year that's a for sure three more NS grads in the league. Everybody has talent at that level so it's all brutally hard work and the kids from the east side prove over and over they have what it takes to make it to the highest level. Their parents don't have jobs they want to do but their cousins play professional sports so that's what they aspire to do. Sadly for some though, if they don't get scholarship they never leave the area and their paths in life could often be muddled. That's the real life I speak of, the same kids several years later people will be complaining about being a drain on their social system.

What you need to be worried about is why once Humble High lost half their enrollment and has to play 4a they suck if y'all are such a fertile recruiting ground? I reacall Humble and Kingwood being beast before they built KP and SC. Now your fertile recruiting ground has three schools that suck and one that couldn't make the playoffs. I guess nobody is playing as one besides SC? 
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LOL.  The proof is in the pudding brother.    Tim Cornett plays for UNLV, has put up some pretty good numbers in the MWC.    Woods isn't even on D1 roster that i am aware of.  And DY has two years splitting time, putting up similar numbers to Cornett... in a better conference....with arguably a worse team (Illinois) .  You can bump your gums all you want about how much better you think the stock is on the "east side", however you are so far from right on Running Back Young.    Oh, and i never said ANYTHING about grades.  He got accepted into The University of Illinois, a school which is rated higher then The University of Texas Academically.  It wasn't UNT, Miami Ohio, UNLV, etc.  Kids not stupid, kid doesn't have behavioral issues, and kid is far from lacking in talent.    ill say this again, He could of started at North Shore.  Stop being such a homer and open your eyes.

As far as Humble goes.  The district is growing, which means talent pools get diluted.  This happens when districts gut flagships, it happened to Humble in 80's and took us 10 years to recover.  Nothing Humble did caused a loss in enrollment, economics happened.  In 10 years, it will be as if it never happened.  Humble will be fine, and the talent pool will stabilize again.  We have been around since the early 1900's, and play ball since 1916.  We aren't going anywhere, we will have our day in the sun again.  As far as the rest of the district, you can expect all of them to field very strong teams (Much like the klein schools)....When they have 5-6 years of uninterrupted system building.  Its an objective of the Athletic departments, with money at their backs. 

Side note: Kingwood was never any better then average, and they appear to be pretty much the same as they have been since they opened.  I will say this, when they do figure their crap out.  They will be very good.

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To think that Katy has more talent than North Shore is also stupid. Talent is one thing, buying into a program is completely another. Just because you're dedicated and operate as one doesn't mean you have a bunch of talent. Katy is good because they can their kids close to the ceiling while they're still in high school. You ask the UT recruiter who he's taking and it's going to be the kid from North Shore 9 out of 10 times strictly because he's more TALENTED, not because he bought into a program last year. North Shore doesn't highlight anybody, that's why you don't know who half their kids are until they sign with Alabama or UT. Besides Bobby Reid there hasn't been a feature player at North Shore since Tiki Hardeman. The backs split carries, the qb usually gets a scholarship as an "athlete" and they hardly throw to the receivers which are often D1 recruits. Katy is going to play mistake free and out execute you, that's discipline not talent. There's D1 recruits from North Shore who've barely started so how are they being highlighted? If anybody highlights players it's Katy. That's why you can't tell me the name of North Shore's backs but I can name you all of Katy's. They give it to them 25 times a game and they get a bunch of yards and accolades which is the definition of highlighting a player, see Dean, Young and Taylor. Most years the rb is the only player you can name off Katy's team. I guess Nick Saban and Mack Brown are idiots though since they take the kids from North Shore over Katy. Don't mistake being coachable or playing in a good system for having talent or upside because they're two completely different things as you can see every year on signing day.
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Its like you don't even read what i type.  You just see me not giving a crap that NS has superior individual talent then Katy, and assume that i am trying to say that Katy and NS are equal on an individual athletic scale.

My first contention with you, is that you are either ignorant or slow in regards to evaluating physical talent Ex. RB Donovan Young.  Just because he didn't dawn on the red and black uniforms doesn't mean he isn't ever bit as talented as Woods or Cornett.  In happen to know for a fact that every school in the country was in physical talks with Young, and it was other elements that prevented him from getting the actual offers.  Without hanging out dirty laundry, you need to understand that.  Young was every bit the back that NS had in the backfield if not more.  You want to claim that his success was a mere result of his offensive line.  When Young played the limited games he did for Humble (varsity) he was lights out....behind an Humble offensive line that was at best below average.    Just because they don't go to NS doesn't mean they aren't individually better than who you have.  period.  Young was a total package back, Woods and Cornett were not.

Second contention is that you keep reverting to values that have nothing to do with the performance of team or individual stats on the HIGH SCHOOL gridiron.    You simply use a measurement that has proven to not be a reliable measurement of overall production from teams.    You want to use measurements that College coaches use to determine if a student is compatible with their system, to measure the value of a completely different entity.    Im sorry, but the facts are that D1 talent more then often doesn't contribute to Elite program status.    We are infatuated with the prospect of a kid getting recruited, as if it matters on this level.    Coaches are recruiting seeds for their program, to make them into trees.  They don't recruit final products.  A lot of your great high school football players will never be great college players.....its a different game.      In terms of High school talent, Katy is every bit as talented as NS.  I would take a Katy Senior player over a Senior NS player 15 out of 22 times.   

Again no one is denying that NS has a lot of talent.  Im just saying that your measurement of what a HS player could contribute to another HS team is based on variables that have nothing to do with High School football.    This game, Texas HS football, is more like the real world..... Were determination guts, and the pursuit of victory mean far more in measuring talent then how big and fast you will be in college.

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Interesting perspective ...the list of recruits from NS over the recent years can't be denied.  This plays to your point re: coaching.  But then look at Katy (Katy HS, not the entire district).  They have stellar coaching but seem short on D1 prospects.  I guess the answer is coaching AND talent ...but sure seems like talent wins over coaching in terms of recruiting.
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It does.  However, i think its rather stupid to rate talent level based on how many kids get d1 offers.  That speaks to the hard work of the individual, parents, and his head coach that marketed him then it speaks about availability of talent.  If i have the best tool in the world, and have no idea how to apply it to accomplish a purpose....it doesn't matter how great the tool is.  Some coaches focus on individual talent application, other adopt the one heart one beat mentality .  At this level the later produces better results for the team, the previous better for a single player.  North Shore will highlight a player as a center piece, Katy will just insert pieces.  to behave however that this somehow means the talent is less then NS is ridiculous.  anyone that see's Katy play, knows they are not only physically talented....but they operate as a single organism.  Its truly beautiful to watch, there is not a finer program in all the country.

North Shore kids will tell you that playing Katy is like nothing they have ever done before.  The coaches will tell you its the most difficult team they ever had to prepare for.  Every team, who has ever played Katy...win or lose will sing nothing but praises about them.    In fact, later in life the players will tell stories about the times they got their rear ends handed to them by the boys from west of Houston or brag that their were one of the very few that every beat Katy.

Katy doesn't have a ton of d1 success or NFL success, but those kids can ball nonetheless.    Katy is a superior program to NS in ever facet except how many kids get full scholarships.  One of the most important aspects, is that they produce winners in every aspect of life at Katy.    Excellence is Tradition is their motto, and it extends and permeates far past the gridiron.

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Urban Meyer must have never been to North Shore. All the prospect in Humble ISD over about the last decade vs a single high school

Humble ISD - http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/recruit-search-results?year=&sport_id=1&sport=football&keywords=humble

North Shore - http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/recruit-search-results?year=&sport_id=1&sport=football&keywords=north+shore

They've had more prospect than your entire district and better ones too. You need more than this? North Shore doesn't have twice the enrollment either, their school is just in a different place if you know what I'm saying. Bronco, I'm not knocking your son's friend but he's probably not good enough to play at NS which is the reason he doesn't like the coaching either.
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I find this to be a rather strange debate.  Basically you are asserting some facts (north shore is talented) and then making the assumption that others schools talent could possibly start for a north shore team....because the personal talent level is just off the charts and unmatched ....alleging ridiculous claims like their are 50 kids running around that are 6'1 190 and run a 4.6....when people say that NS talent grows on tree's....its hyperbole not fact....you are aware of this, right?    You are ignoring that alot goes into a prospect being recruitable to a D1 school. Kids that athletically are d1 caliber, just don't make the cut for various reasons.  For example, Eisenhower high school and Nimitz high school are two of the most athletic teams in the country.... Every year they have kids that are just as big, fast, and strong as North Shore.  HOWEVER, the coaching staffs and system are not conducive to producing d1 ready kids.    But you would have me believe that because Ike hasn't has as many d1 signee's in the last 10 years that they are not every bit as athletically talented?  Ignoring the fact that that team under coach Carson produced some of the most talent laden teams this state has ever seen.

North Shore before David Aymond was a laughing stock.  The demographics were not the much different in mid 90's. In fact, their were far less hispanics (typically do not play Football).  North Shore, having superior athletes to Humble.....would routinely get their face masks stomped into the ground to a tune of 40-50 points.  The kids were no less "talented", however they did have inferior coaching and system in place.    It wasn't until Coach aymond arrived that they starting beating Humble in much closer contests.    Like NS, Humble exhibited an array of athletically gifted kids that were just better coached.  And at the time, put more kids in college then NS....Despite NS having the better stock if you will.  At no point in time would i have EVER said that no way that their best kids couldn't start for us.

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Just know it will take a move for that to possibly happen.  That aside, no one in the district or bi-district can say how they BEAT SC.  Not looking like any of them will be able to make that claim this year either.
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How about the beat down you got in [b]BI-District [/b] by Magnolia West to the tune of 41-19? You ran the table in district one year? Big deal, put some 5a teams on your schedule instead of South Houston HS. SC has some good athletes and is a good football team, but they are far from being the juggernaut team that you think they are. BTW, SC will be moved up next realignment, unless Humble ISD has a plan to spread those kids out back to Humble HS or to Atascocita HS.
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Man, you're talking ancient history.  The biggest issue in the MGW game was our defense.  They had an exciting RB that had his way.  That particular team struggled with any team that had a talented RB.  Hunstville ....Willis (especially Willis ...that was really ugly).
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You said nobody has beat SC in Bi-District. I was pointing out that year before last Magnolia West beat ya'll first playoff game. So in the last two years, Ya'll are tied with BH for playoff victories at 1. The majority of teams within our viewing area have more then 1 playoff victory in the last two seasons. So why do you think SC is so dominant in this area again? ;)
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Cuz no team in District 19 can say they BEAT SC ...including Barbers Hill.  All you can say is that you lost by the least amount.  Sad.  District 19 begins and ends in HUMBLE ISD.  Fortunately for BH you play SC at home.  You don't want to face [b]20,000 faithful at Turner Stadium .[/b]..aka Title Town.
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okay now i am convinced, you are a troll.  lol

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BTW,  Georgetown isn't even the biggest school in their district.  Pflugerville Connally , one of the teams that we sent home is.
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Nederland Enrollment            1478.5

Teams vs in playoffs last year                  results
Dayton                                    1443        Win 21-7
Pflugerville Connally                2004        Win 17-10
Pearland Dawson                    2032        Win 22-19
Georgetown                            1990        Lost 38-6

and have yet to hear 1 ( NOT 1 ) Bulldog fan cry about Georgetown being 5-A THE YEAR BEFORE....

and with Summer Creek being the HOT NEW SCHOOL as you put it... and all the D1 players coming to play there in the first 3 years .... wouldnt you consider that a recruiting move also?? whether they came because it was a new school or recruited by Coaches, friends, parents, community... how can you gripe about Georgetown moving down from 5-A ... when SC got to draw all the talent from Humble ISD because it was the new school on the block.... you talk about all these D1 players coming out of SC.... [b]what school would they have played for if SC wasn't built??? [/b]
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Calm down coach ...you're gonna blow a gasket.  I must respectfullly set you straight.  For Nederland to only score a few TD's on Dayton and Connally is more of a sign of the weakness of Nederland (offensively).  SC manhandled Dayton to say the least.  I saw footage of Connally ...less than impressive.  The Pearland win was impressive and Nederland deserves all the respect that goes with it.  Not sure if anyone picked Nederland to win vs. Dawson.  You got smoked by Gtown who was a senior loaded team that played 5A the prior year.  No shame in that.

If SC wasn't built, those kids would have been split between Humble and Atascocita.  Humble would have been the SC of 4A.

Keep in mind that SC was able to score on Gtown with some effectiveness.  More than any other teams they saw until Guyer.  We were just too small on the Offensive and Defensive lines. 

Last but not least, SC [s]has[/s] [b]had[/b] enrollment of sub 1400 and we're still the greatest show on turf.
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I fixed your typo for you.... here is the link you can verify the last alignment enrollment #'s...

[url=http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/4A-fb-bb-enroll-2012.pdf]http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/4A-fb-bb-enroll-2012.pdf[/url]
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Coach I'm starting to think you're a part of this conspiracy.  Not you too.  Those numbers are misleading due to another magnet high school operating within SC.  Also, you must consider the kids that moved from Humble when that HS got the unsatisfactory rating.  I've heard there will be an entire wing of SC that will not be in use next year.  Enrollment is dropping.  We may never get out of 4A.  Our trophy case will need to be expanded.
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I believe you are trolling here.

Quest HS is temporarily using the southern wing, it is expected to return to its campus at some point.  The numbers are also not included in the total count, as it is a separate entity all together.  Its not like the IB program at Humble, it has its own principal and administration.

[quote name="OctFeb" post="1411702" timestamp="1370609444"]
Summer Creek High School
Address
14000 Weckford Blvd.
Houston, Texas, 77044
United States
Information
School type Public, secondary
Motto Attitude is Everything!
[b]Opened 2009[/b]
School district Humble Independent School District
Superintendent Dr. Guy M. Sconzo
Principal Thyrone Hurst
Vice principal Paul Edwards
Grades 9-12
[b]Enrollment 1,385[/b]
Campus size 67 acres (270,000 m2)
Campus type Suburban
School colour(s)           Maroon & Gold
Mascot Bulldog

  That # was in 2009  ::)
[/quote]

with only 9th and 10th graders. 

[quote name="DemDAWGS!" post="1411733" timestamp="1370615122"]
[quote author=Coach Comeaux link=topic=111829.msg1411714#msg1411714 date=1370612033]
[quote author=bigdog link=topic=111829.msg1411657#msg1411657 date=1370575266]
BTW,  Georgetown isn't even the biggest school in their district.  Pflugerville Connally , one of the teams that we sent home is.
[/quote]

Nederland Enrollment            1478.5

Teams vs in playoffs last year                  results
Dayton                                    1443        Win 21-7
Pflugerville Connally                2004        Win 17-10
Pearland Dawson                    2032        Win 22-19
Georgetown                            1990        Lost 38-6

and have yet to hear 1 ( NOT 1 ) Bulldog fan cry about Georgetown being 5-A THE YEAR BEFORE....

and with Summer Creek being the HOT NEW SCHOOL as you put it... and all the D1 players coming to play there in the first 3 years .... wouldnt you consider that a recruiting move also?? whether they came because it was a new school or recruited by Coaches, friends, parents, community... how can you gripe about Georgetown moving down from 5-A ... when SC got to draw all the talent from Humble ISD because it was the new school on the block.... you talk about all these D1 players coming out of SC.... [b]what school would they have played for if SC wasn't built??? [/b]
[/quote]

Calm down coach ...you're gonna blow a gasket.  I must respectfullly set you straight.  For Nederland to only score a few TD's on Dayton and Connally is more of a sign of the weakness of Nederland (offensively).  SC manhandled Dayton to say the least.  I saw footage of Connally ...less than impressive.  The Pearland win was impressive and Nederland deserves all the respect that goes with it.  Not sure if anyone picked Nederland to win vs. Dawson.  You got smoked by Gtown who was a senior loaded team that played 5A the prior year.  No shame in that.

If SC wasn't built, those kids would have been split between Humble and Atascocita.  Humble would have been the SC of 4A.

Keep in mind that SC was able to score on Gtown with some effectiveness.  More than any other teams they saw until Guyer.  We were just too small on the Offensive and Defensive lines. 

Last but not least,[b] SC has enrollment of sub 1400 and we're still the greatest show on turf.[/b]
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But you don't. 

[quote name="cougar14" post="1411698" timestamp="1370608800"]
398 I would even go as far as to say other than Aaron Sharp there's not a player in Humble ISD that could start for North Shore. Dakota Allen probably could too if he switched positions due to the fact Whitley is already commited to  Alabama.
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LOL!

Oh yes there is.  Youre going to sit here and tell me that a school district that has put numerous kids in to D1 schools and d2 colleges every year doesn't have anyone that could start for North shore?    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You must not be familiar with the level of athlete that this school district produces.  Urban Myer once called it the most fertile recruiting ground in Texas. 

Don't mistaken having a Texas Legendary coach like David Aymond fool you into thinking that the talent at NS is unmatched.  their are very few areas in the state that have produced as much talent as ours.

[quote name="cougar14" post="1411692" timestamp="1370608136"]
[quote author=HUM398 link=topic=111829.msg1411663#msg1411663 date=1370575915]
[quote author=cougar14 link=topic=111829.msg1411643#msg1411643 date=1370572430]
[quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=111829.msg1411619#msg1411619 date=1370567036]
[quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=111829.msg1411618#msg1411618 date=1370566716]
2008. Donovonn Young.
[/quote] So thats why you so envious of Katy, wasnt he at Humble before he transferred? Makes sense now.  ::)
[/quote]Donovan Young wouldn't have played at North Shore. They had Tracy Woods and Tim Cornett who went to Miami(OH) and UNLV. Cornett was the backup at North Shore and started as a true freshman at UNLV.
[/quote]

Yes he would of.  D. Young could of started for what ever school he wanted to.  He was a freak of nature.  When he showed up at Humble as a freshman he was 5'11 190 lbs.  When he left katy he was 6'0 215lbs and ran 4.6.    That kid could ball.
[/quote][b]What??? 6' 215 and 4.6. There's 50 kids like that walking down Wallisville right now[/b].Cornett was 6' 190 and 4.4 and was the backup. T.Woods was the 200+ pound banger so no, Young wouldn't have gotten on the field much at all. We're talking about a kid who's second best offer was North Texas after rushing for 2000 yards. I guess you think Aundre Dean could play too. Adam Taylor is another back who won't do much in college. Don't think because these guys put up a bunch of yards behind offensive lines where they don't get touched until they're six yards down the field that they're big time backs. There's not a player on Katy's roster who could've started at North Shore this year besides Matt Dimon and a big guard they had.
[/quote]

No theres not. 

This is a stupid argument.  you aren't going to submit to reason, instead you will side with ridiculous assumptions based on outcomes that encompass far more then just how tall and fast someone is.      Theirs more to a d1 prospect and recruiting then his raw ability.    DY  experienced "issues"  during his recruitment.  I can tell you in absolute confidence, everyone knocked on his front door.  In the world of recruiting though, coaches scare easy.... The lack of offers was not his fault directly, lets just put it that way.

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1411640" timestamp="1370571755"]
[quote author=HUM398 link=topic=111829.msg1411629#msg1411629 date=1370569987]
[quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=111829.msg1411619#msg1411619 date=1370567036]
[quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=111829.msg1411618#msg1411618 date=1370566716]
2008. Donovonn Young.
[/quote] So thats why you so envious of Katy, wasnt he at Humble before he transferred? Makes sense now.  ::)
[/quote]

I know for a fact that their was some nudging from katy.  HOWEVER, DY could of easily been at humble for those two years.

I know the Young's very well, and I can tell you it was not easy choice for the young man to make.    Dad lived in Katy, Mother lived in Humble....that is ALL i will say.

That being said, Humble would of probably been playing for a state title with him at RB in 2010. (fell apart against friendswood )  We didn't have a strong running game, and if you could defend the pass you could beat us.  Friendswood knew how to hurt us, and their defense was much better then they looked on film.
[/quote]Didnt we beat Humble with Young at RB when yall played here in PA? I may have my years mixed up, im not certain.
[/quote]

Last time we played in PA was 2006.  I believe that was the game where we had to come back to finish something like 7 seconds because of rain.   

The Running back was Reggie Brown (#22)....who was a beast.  We lost that game because we ran the same play three times, and yall had figured us out.    Lined up in the Jumbo set on the 4 yard line, Counter to the left... Guard over pursued his block, and your DT was able to stuff Brown for a loss of 1.    Yall scored on the next drive in overtime, and beat us by 3 i believe.  (we went for three on the 4th and 1 on our previous offensive turn i believe).    We had no passing game to speak of.  Had a two headed running combo with kenneth bowman and Reggie brown.

[quote name="cougar14" post="1411643" timestamp="1370572430"]
[quote author=Mr. Buddy Garrity link=topic=111829.msg1411619#msg1411619 date=1370567036]
[quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=111829.msg1411618#msg1411618 date=1370566716]
2008. Donovonn Young.
[/quote] So thats why you so envious of Katy, wasnt he at Humble before he transferred? Makes sense now.  ::)
[/quote]Donovan Young wouldn't have played at North Shore. They had Tracy Woods and Tim Cornett who went to Miami(OH) and UNLV. Cornett was the backup at North Shore and started as a true freshman at UNLV.
[/quote]

Yes he would of.  D. Young could of started for what ever school he wanted to.  He was a freak of nature.  When he showed up at Humble as a freshman he was 5'11 190 lbs.  When he left katy he was 6'0 215lbs and ran 4.6.    That kid could ball. 

[quote name="DemDAWGS!" post="1411647" timestamp="1370572789"]
Nuff said.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_Creek_High_School
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http://www.uiltexas.org/files/alignments/4A-fb-bb-enroll-2012.pdf

Summer Creek 2019.5
Georgetown 1990

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1411619" timestamp="1370567036"]
[quote author=DemDAWGS! link=topic=111829.msg1411618#msg1411618 date=1370566716]
2008. Donovonn Young.
[/quote] So thats why you so envious of Katy, wasnt he at Humble before he transferred? Makes sense now.  ::)
[/quote]

I know for a fact that their was some nudging from katy.  HOWEVER, DY could of easily been at humble for those two years.

I know the Young's very well, and I can tell you it was not easy choice for the young man to make.    Dad lived in Katy, Mother lived in Humble....that is ALL i will say.

That being said, Humble would of probably been playing for a state title with him at RB in 2010. (fell apart against friendswood )  We didn't have a strong running game, and if you could defend the pass you could beat us.  Friendswood knew how to hurt us, and their defense was much better then they looked on film.