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I would venture to say that just about ANY team could be 0-5 or 5-0 depending on their schedule. It's all relative and records don't necessarily reflect how good/bad a team is. No offense but Hardin could be used as an example of this very thing. Change of schedule could change everything.

Nobody is denying that KV had some impressive teams in the last 18 years.. but I think this is in regards to this year's team. I personally don't believe you guys are the worst team in SETX by any stretch. As long as there are Colmesneils, Sabine Passes, and Burkevilles of the world you guys never have to worry about that. In a relative sense, though... you guys are 0-5 and I don't think there are too many SETX teams left that haven't won a game. So there's that..

A pretty big difference was when UIL split 4A into divisions. Before that WOS hadn’t even gotten out of the region in quite some time. Not to take away from their accomplishments but before 4A had a D2 it was a different story.

My my my...how the tides have changed. Who is it that always argues that talent is more important than coaching? Hmm.. was that me? I can’t remember. What I do remember is that WOS fans were saying a year or two ago that Coach T could go anywhere and win. Relax WOS fans.. as in most cases.. it’s NOT THE COACHES. I think I’m enjoying these comments more than I should be.

*they’re

Hardin doesn't have good teams very often. When they do have decent groups they seem to be at the mercy of where UIL places that cutoff number.

1. Beaumont West Brook 2.Porter 3. Barbers Hill 4. Baytown Lee 5. Crosby 6. Vidor 7. Deer Park 8. Kingwood Park 9. New Caney 10. Huntsville 11. Center 12. Jasper 13. Shepherd 14. Hardin-Jefferson 15. Silsbee 16. Trinity 17. Diboll 18. Franklin 19. Buna 20. Orangefield 21. Beaumont Kelly 22. San Augustine 23. Evadale 24. Cisco Rey Jesuit 25. Liberty

They will fight hard.. but Hardin's winning streak ends this week. EC wins this one by..maybe a bunch.

Buna 30-14 final

I had Vidor picked.. edited the post and changed it. Smh..

In all seriousness.. probably buying sushi at HEB would be better than most in my opinion. Unless you're a fan of the usual fast food Chinese food court type experience. Egg rolls, breaded chicken/shrimp in various different sauces and spices, fried rice... all of that seems cookie cutter to me as far as Chinese food. Other than that I'm thinking just find a Hibachi grill.

1. Crosby 2. Woodville 3. Grapeland 4. Beaumont United 5. Beaumont West Brook 6. Port Arthur Memorial 7. Barbers Hill 8. Port Neches-Groves 9. Nederland 10. Orangefield 11. Anahuac 12. Hardin 13. West Orange-Stark 14. Hamshire-Fannett 15. Liberty 16. Hardin-Jefferson 17. Silsbee 18. Newton 19. Hemphill 20. Kountze 21. West Sabine 22. Chester 23. Gilmer Union Hill 24. CC 25. Veritas

I stand corrected. It was the previous year that the district went 0-4. Last year none of the distrct won a 2nd round game. Maybe that's what I was thinking of. Still kind of the same point.. 2016 none made it to 2nd round and 2017 none made it past 2nd round. I don't know about you but I judge the stregnth of a district based on how it does against other districts. So I guess technically in 2016 Hardin was in maybe the weakest district in the state..maybe. Last year they were in the 2nd weakest district but the weakest district was the district they are in now... plus or minus a team or so. Yes I know that a lot changes from year to year..

He didn’t call a team toothless, no fight, no talent dogs. Toothless dog fight is COMPAREing a game to a fight between 2 dogs with nothing to fight with.

Being 3-0 doesn’t mean you’re not bad. I’ll guarantee you that it could’ve just as easily been 0-3 with a difference of preseason scheduling. Coach Haynes did a good job putting together a schedule conducive to winning. I’m also pretty sure that Hardin was in a district last year that didn’t win a single playoff game. I need to double check but I think I’m remembering that correctly. So that’s not a good argument for you to make.

First of all.. I wasn't talking/referring to/about you. I was talking about the guy that accused another guy of "trolling 16-18 year old kids" for simply referring to this game as a toothless dog fight. However, if you must know, you're wrong. Being 3-0 doesn't make you a good team. As of right now you guys haven't beaten a single team that has won a game. Not one. That may not change after this week. It does matter how good/bad the competition is. Fact is..Hardin MIGHT finish 4th or 5th in a district that never gets past round 3. I'm sorry to say but that doesn't equal good team. I have no doubt that the kids play hard and that they are suprising some people. But the suprise went from "they'll finish 2nd to last" to "they will likely get 5th..maybe even 4th". Don't take it personal. They're exceeding the pre-season expectations but still not considered a good team.

It is possible to say that a team is bad but not be pointing out or talking about any individual players. This PC crap is infecting everything.

Sure there are many characteristics along those lines that play into the willingness to be great. Another is dedication..work ethic. Those kinds of things seem nonexistent. Have you ever read 'Culture Defeats Stragety' by Randy Jackson? It's pretty good.

I like this thread too much not to chime in: Great program?: Genetics/athletes for starters, transfers (winning and facilities will draw people), consistent coaching (not a new AD every time you have a bad year), community support (is vital), favorable size/classification (that's a big deal in football), steady homelives (it's hard to win with kids that are in constant survival mode), and sometimes having a good game when another team (better team) doesn't. Make no mistake..every single school in the state is aspiring to win as many games as possible and every coach in the state has a goal of winning it all. Not everyone gets to. Most don't, in fact. There are definitely some qualities that consistent powerhouses possess and I listed some of them but not all. Sometimes you don't need every single thing listed to have success. Sometimes it takes what was listed and more. I was pleasently surprised by some of the comments on this thread by the way. Maybe people are starting to realize some things..

So do I. Don't get me wrong.. I appreciate a good spread game as much as the next man but misdirection and/or pound it will always be my favorite. I also understand displaying and using athleticism when you have it..but I'm a fan of clock control. Call me old fashioned I guess

Yeah there are a bunch. There are still many teams winning state titles running the slot T or variations of it. It really is a great offense.

There are more than just those. Slot T is very difficult to stop when done correctly. When you combine either a really good defense or an offense that could also score quickly if need be...you almost can't beat it.

Jasper

Worst start to a season I've had doing this. Trash.. smh

I literally copy and pasted a definition off of google to show that technically...what was brought up by someone else...was technically accurate. Every week there are 25 games posted in the pickems. That's 25 winners and 25 losers. See..does that statement mean that I just called 25 teams a bunch of losers? I didn't call anyone a loser and this is stupid that this conversation is happening.