Riding Solo

30-20 orangefield after 3.

23-16 Orangefield at the half.

15-12 Sealy still in the second.

10-8 orangefield after 1.

This is the most action the girls basketball forum has seen since January 1,2011. ;D ;D

[quote name="Bobcat05" post="968342" timestamp="1298060209"] [quote author=Riding Solo link=topic=80253.msg968341#msg968341 date=1298059921] [quote author=Loudmouth link=topic=80253.msg968321#msg968321 date=1298058085] I think one of the biggest things that gets over looked here is knowing your players.  Some may respond to a good butt chewing and others may react in an adversely to that method.  You need to know your players on an individual basis.  You can't treat each player the same in these regards.  [/quote] Sondra Ancelot said the same thing. She knew who could take a butt chewing or who could not. But she also knew what parents would allow it and what parents would not. I do understand that theory but don't agree with it. Why can't you treat everyone the same? Someone Correct me if I am wrong but when Nathan Toon was at Orangefield he pretty much chewed on everybodies butt. Maybe it is different with boys. [/quote] He got on our butts, but he did it in a different way I think for each...He knew yelling and screaming at Calvin Granger would help his game, yet getting in...well I'll message you the rest.  ;D [/quote] I knew you would know Bobcat05. Oh well I was 90% correct. I do agree with using different styles of butt chewing on certain kids as long as they all get some kind of butt chewing.

[quote name="Loudmouth" post="968321" timestamp="1298058085"] I think one of the biggest things that gets over looked here is knowing your players.  Some may respond to a good butt chewing and others may react in an adversely to that method.  You need to know your players on an individual basis.  You can't treat each player the same in these regards.  [/quote] Sondra Ancelot said the same thing. She knew who could take a butt chewing or who could not. But she also knew what parents would allow it and what parents would not. I do understand that theory but don't agree with it. Why can't you treat everyone the same? Someone Correct me if I am wrong but when Nathan Toon was at Orangefield he pretty much chewed on everybodies butt. Maybe it is different with boys.

[quote name="The Ingredient" post="967847" timestamp="1297971931"] [quote author=fiveoclocksomewhere link=topic=80253.msg967668#msg967668 date=1297956137] Slam14- You are mistaking me for for my good buddy with twin freshmen daughters.  ;D Thats a compliment. My daughter is a little older. Has played for Coach Gholson for two years. Solo and Slam-Thanks for the comments and good advice.  I agree with you both for the most part. You can't let a coach run you off. That's why I told my daughter to suck it up. She loves playing basketball. I have no doubt in that. But I also doubt she will play next season for this coach. She will play the sports that she gets the most enjoyment from. She will make up her mind this Summer. Fortunately she is able to play pretty much any sport and do reasonably well. But I love watching her play BBall. At what point does "tough coach" turn into "verbally abusive a-hole"? Very few of these kids have aspirations to play beyond high school. Why should they be subjected to being told every single day how bad they suck? I understand being tough. But why be mean-spirited also? And yes Solo, there have been some parents that get overly involved and it transfers to the daughter/player. I have done my best to keep out of it. When my daughter has had a problem she has met with the coach on her own, without parents involved.  I was pretty proud of her for that actually. Thanks again for the comments and advice. [/quote][color=red][/color] Let me thow in my 2cents here: First of all as coachs we are not perfect and I have yet to meet a coach who is not very competitive in what we do. So we are going to push our kids to be the best they can be. Some kids just want to be part of a team and have fun. If as coaches we allow that for some kids, then the one's who are competitive will suffer, be it loses or just not being the best team they can be. IMO if you're only in it for the fun of it GET OUT! [b]Competitive sports are not for everyone.[/b] Doesn't make the kid any less in my eyes. Some of my favorite kids I teach do not play sports and they are GREAT kids who will be successful in life! Whether or not you are a "tough coach" or an "a-hole" is an easy question to answer. WHEN and HOW is whatever is being considered negative being said?? If a kid doesn't get back on defense, he/she is likely going to hear about it, and he probably isn't going to like it. We as coaches aren't going to sugar coat anything. Being told you "suck"(not a good choice of words obviously) should motivate you to work harder so you don't "suck". What competitive person isn't trying to be the BEST that he/she can be??? Ever been scared to fail??? I, and I bet you, used to think our dads were a-holes. I did!! Looking back, he was an a-hole when I was NOT doing what I should have been doing! He wasn't an a-hole, I was an idiot! Now if ANYONE, a coach or dad or whoever is an "a-hole" when you're doing what is right, then you've crossed the line and it becomes abuse as opposed to "tough love." Now, I don't know first hand how Coach Gholson treats his girls, so I will not comment on who is right or wrong here. I will only tell you the world is a mean, cruel place. And what I learned from my dad and coaches prepared me for that world, even though at the time they were preparing me, I didn't realize what was happening... [/quote] Good Post!!!!!

[quote name="fiveoclocksomewhere" post="967749" timestamp="1297960014"] I also would like to say that we can all post here and gripe and complain. Thats what these boards are for. But we need to be careful in calling for someone to be fired. You are talking about someones job. Putting groceries on the table is serious business. Be certain before you complain to a school board or AD about what you feel is a problem with a coach. Thats why sometimes I like to come on here and cuss and discuss with other parents, coaches, etc before I make up my mind about things.  There are some nuts, but there are some smart old hands on here too. Ideally here at L-Town, it would be great if our coach could recognize the problem. Maybe a heart to heart with his AD and make an effort to improve his temper.  There have been discusions with him about it. But I do not believe he sees it as a problem. Which is a shame. Because like I said, they guy knows his X's and O's. The question is will there be any players left to coach?   [/quote] Good post.

[quote name="Slam14" post="967519" timestamp="1297912931"] [quote author=Riding Solo link=topic=80253.msg967420#msg967420 date=1297906108] [quote author=fiveoclocksomewhere link=topic=80253.msg967144#msg967144 date=1297876795] Charlie Wilson has been coaching a girls BB team in Louisiana. ( Comuting from Lumberton.) If the position were to open, I think he would be open to return. Beats driving an hour one way to work!  He still has a good relationship with LISD. Last time I spoke to him, Gholson says he will be here next year.  Like other districts, Lumberton will be cutting salary as much as possible.  Who knows what can happen when the cutting starts. 2012 contracts are approved in March, I think. Loudmouth asked-"Where did this start?"   There have been complaints to the school board about the number of varsity players that have quit the program in the past 9 months.(5 players) In fact one player that quit is the daughter of a school board member. There were some heated words exchanged. The players that left the program all cited pretty much the same reason for quitting. They did not like the way the coach treated them. My take, as a parent has been to tell my daughter to toughen up, listen for the message being said. NOT the WAY it is being said. ( And I admit that I may be wrong. ) Gholson knows his basketball, practices the players hard. Which is good. But there is most certainly a problem with the way the kids are being treated. You don't have to embarrass a player to get 100% out of them.  I believe that players play harder for a coach that they respect and like. That respect is a two way street. Players these days don't take well to the Bobby Knight treatment. They will say "screw this" and quit. Does this sort of thing even come up at Orangefield or Hardin Jeff, or Barbers Hill?  Seems like the players actually LIKE their coaches at the more successful programs.  However it shakes out, Lumberton needs it's best players on the team.  Can a coach change? [/quote] Yes, it does go on in the successful programs. IMO here is the deal. If a kid loves the game enough NO coach can make them quit. If a kid quits then they were going to quit anyway. Sorry but their loss. The problem is, parents discuss their displeasures with a coach infront of their kids. Therefore the kids turns on the coach.  Most of the kids today would quit if they had to play for a coach 30 years ago. I really enjoy listening to basketball game on the radio. That way I don't hear all the negativity from the stands. Some parents not all have lost complete control. This is not directed at any of you. Your post are good and asking fair questions. Just don't think it is all the coaches fault. Apparently the ones that quit did not love the game enough. Peace!!!! [/quote] OK, lock the thread!  Riding Solo laid all the cards on the table and didn't pull any punches!   Sometimes you have to just cut straight to the chase! [/quote] That is the best post I have ever read. LOL!!! good job Slam.

Sorry but I am not done yet. I am on a role. LOL!!!!!!The biggest compliment my daughter's coach in high school gave her was not how many points she scored, steals, assist or rebounds in a game. She said and I quote, " she is a self made player". What that means is, she worked just as hard in PRACTICE as she did in the games. That is the key to getting better. She got better every year. End of story. ;D ;D Young people don't listen to Allen Iverson "Practice, we talking about Practice".

Let me ask you guys a question. My son was a senior and he was a starter. He was not the leading scorer and really rarely shot. He did all the little things like pass the rock, steals and rebounded. He shot a ball against WOS and missed. The coach immediatly took him out and chewed him out. I was right there listening and the coach said "That is not your role, Do not shoot the ball" my son was pissed and so was I. But my son understood and so did I. I did not discuss it with my son or the coach. That year Orangefield went to the playoff's for the first time in 56 years and they set the record for most wins in a season. The young men on that team were very unselfish and knew their roles on the "TEAM". Thats why they won. My question is, how would you have reacted if a coach told your child that?

[quote name="fiveoclocksomewhere" post="967144" timestamp="1297876795"] Charlie Wilson has been coaching a girls BB team in Louisiana. ( Comuting from Lumberton.) If the position were to open, I think he would be open to return. Beats driving an hour one way to work!  He still has a good relationship with LISD. Last time I spoke to him, Gholson says he will be here next year.  Like other districts, Lumberton will be cutting salary as much as possible.  Who knows what can happen when the cutting starts. 2012 contracts are approved in March, I think. Loudmouth asked-"Where did this start?"   There have been complaints to the school board about the number of varsity players that have quit the program in the past 9 months.(5 players) In fact one player that quit is the daughter of a school board member. There were some heated words exchanged. The players that left the program all cited pretty much the same reason for quitting. They did not like the way the coach treated them. My take, as a parent has been to tell my daughter to toughen up, listen for the message being said. NOT the WAY it is being said. ( And I admit that I may be wrong. ) Gholson knows his basketball, practices the players hard. Which is good. But there is most certainly a problem with the way the kids are being treated. You don't have to embarrass a player to get 100% out of them.  I believe that players play harder for a coach that they respect and like. That respect is a two way street. Players these days don't take well to the Bobby Knight treatment. They will say "screw this" and quit. Does this sort of thing even come up at Orangefield or Hardin Jeff, or Barbers Hill?  Seems like the players actually LIKE their coaches at the more successful programs.  However it shakes out, Lumberton needs it's best players on the team.  Can a coach change? [/quote] Yes, it does go on in the successful programs. IMO here is the deal. If a kid loves the game enough NO coach can make them quit. If a kid quits then they were going to quit anyway. Sorry but their loss. The problem is, parents discuss their displeasures with a coach infront of their kids. Therefore the kids turns on the coach.  Most of the kids today would quit if they had to play for a coach 30 years ago. I really enjoy listening to basketball game on the radio. That way I don't hear all the negativity from the stands. Some parents not all have lost complete control. This is not directed at any of you. Your post are good and asking fair questions. Just don't think it is all the coaches fault. Apparently the ones that quit did not love the game enough. Peace!!!!

Yes, 21-3A is kicking butt so far.

Orangefield wins 75-35. Balance scoring for Orangefield, that is what it takes.

55-22 Orangefield after 3.

39-13 Orangefield at the half.

26-5 Orangefield after 1.

16-1 Orangefield 4 minutes left in the first.

I looked at school website and they don't look very big, but hard to tell. I also looked on maxpreps and they don't have all the scores. I think Orangefield can beat them. But first we have to beat huffman.

[quote name="whsalum" post="966099" timestamp="1297733432"] LOL .Now Steve that's a cheap shot :) Blue I think we're on the same page now, some folks look thru rose colored glasses when evaluating their kids playing abilities or their potential.Really a shame to see kids leave their schools and friends behind only to find out the grass isn't always greener on the other side. [/quote] Good post whsalum. ;)

[quote name="deep east texas" post="965966" timestamp="1297716185"] Heard Wolf was leaving...who gets the job...I am hoping Charlie Wilson will come out of retirement. [/quote] I liked Charlie but don't think he will come out of retirement.

[quote name="whsalum" post="965996" timestamp="1297718557"] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=80192.msg965901#msg965901 date=1297709279] [quote author=whsalum link=topic=80192.msg965845#msg965845 date=1297701961] [quote author=Lt. Dangle link=topic=80192.msg965787#msg965787 date=1297692577] [quote author=whsalum link=topic=80192.msg965755#msg965755 date=1297660821] Did I miss something or did the UIL change the rules for transferring for athletic purposes?I know it happens but it really is a shame that kids would transfer from one public school to another because they didn't like the basketball coach. [/quote] That is the most circumvented rule in the entire UIL constitution!!!!! Everyone on here seems to blast officials for blowing calls every time their team loses, but you notice that the UIL never gets blasted for this one.... :o :o [/quote]The only reason most of these kids consider changing schools is the almighy "play at the next level" goal which is a pipe dream for probably 95% of these guys.When you let your kids do this they almost always become a a little fish in a big pond.Lt.Daigle most of the folks who come on here ,with the exception of a few old coaches, and blast the officials wouldn't know which end of the whistle to blow. [/quote]Actually, if you have a good skill you can play college ball somewhere ;) [/quote]Why the wink  Bluedove?? The "somewhere" is the key to the whole discussion.The kids that have a good skill are used to playing in front of pretty big crowds every Tuesday and Friday.They think by changing schools they will get the big time exposure and the D1 offers which is where the pipe dream comes in.You hear every year of kids signing to play at the next level with LaTeDa Tech  only to see them back home after one semester.If they want to leave their hometown school to play ball they need to be educated in real world college prospects. [/quote] Skill is in the eye of the beholder. Not saying that is the case with you dove but a lot of parents have on rose colored glasses.  I have to agree with whsalum, the percentage of the kids that go to the next level is very low.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="965970" timestamp="1297716489"] [quote author=Riding Solo link=topic=80192.msg965938#msg965938 date=1297712210] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=80192.msg965933#msg965933 date=1297711717] Yes, they have one- The prices are higher than any place in Beaumont [/quote] Bummer, well we do have K-dans which has the highest prices of any store in Orange County. Oh ya and a Mexican restaurant. Don't know about their prices yet. ;D ;D ;D [/quote]Whats K-DANS? A drug store? [/quote] Grocery store with a meat market and plate lunches.

[quote name="stevenash" post="965933" timestamp="1297711717"] Yes, they have one- The prices are higher than any place in Beaumont [/quote] Bummer, well we do have K-dans which has the highest prices of any store in Orange County. Oh ya and a Mexican restaurant. Don't know about their prices yet. ;D ;D ;D