Steven Avery

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Yep I was afraid after the Soho game that if they didnt win this one it was an O-fer. Too bad they fought so hard to get back into the game to lose it right off the bat. Had the D stopped them to start OT I bet they win that game.

I wouldnt call it misdirection but it does have multiple reads. Most of the plays look the same, fullback crashing the middle, QB reading the DE either handing off or pulling it to run the option. Nothing to me that looks like counters or backside screens. but you are right about the QB's ,the Sr actually has talent but not enough commitment. The sophs are just young and that litle one cant throw at all. He is really tough but like you said so small. The problem with him is I think he is grown, he looked just like that in 8th grade. He will lay the wood to you but just doesnt have much weight behind it.

Sahen you are a dying breed and i give you props for the continued support.

Hopefully they get a W tonight for the kids.

[quote name="sahen" post="1062060" timestamp="1316626801"]
honestly, i think the lack of execution on offense really stems from the fact that they don't have a quarterback that knows how to run the offense correctly...this offense is supposed to be an equalizer for teams that have a smaller offensive line and less talent...it is a misdirection type thing, actually similar to the spread but you hand it off and toss instead of throw the ball...but the QBs had no experience in it prior to this year and its killing them, they either make a bad read or time after time after time hold the ball too long and wait too long to make a decision (which means they get clobbered and fumble because the o-line is up the field making blocks on the secondary like they are supposed to)...the good thing is the 2 new QBs they are using are sophomores (or so i over heard at the stadium) so they should learn, but the bad thing is that will take plenty of time for them to do...

one thing though, the one quarterback that is tiny (probably 5'5" 140 lbs or something like that) needs to be in JV, but not because of play but because of size...im honestly afraid for that kid when we get in district...it is just going to take one play where they hold the ball too long and a monster DT is going to crush him....i guess we don't have anyone else to put out there and the kid has shown some good instincts on some plays, but i think they need to let the kid grow a little more and put him back there next year...

anyway, just my opinion from one of the rare RSS alums that goes and watches their games with no other attachment to RSS other than i graduated there...
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Maybe GCCISD only cares about being known as a Water Polo Powerhouse lol

[quote name="LP0175" post="1061780" timestamp="1316594906"]
Joebob, I really appreciate the discussion.  Its time we get to the nitty-gritty of what's t really hindering GCCISD football.
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I have heard the same thing about some players skipping or leaving early from film study and even practices...One being the starting QB for the Lee game who is now playing defense. If true, not sure what kind of message it sends to the rest of the players if he is then allowed to play anything period.

20 of the 60 kids show up for film? Move up the younger kids and cut the fat.

And thats the whole point of this offense, for lesser skilled players to be able to hang with more athletic teams , IE like army/navy occasionally hanging with Notre Dame or the sec but if the kids dont buy into it or they are not committed you get what we are seeing on Friday nights. Again if they dont beat Pasadena its going to be 0-10

[quote name="ThirdDay" post="1061268" timestamp="1316535304"]
The Jr. High feeder schools are not fully implementing this offense so the kids will be starting fresh in 9th grade.  The skill players are not buying into this system at the high school level.  There is a lack of committment from the players and no real consequences.  Talent is always important.  But, they have kids miss practice and still play.  They have roughly 20 of the 60 kids show up for day after the game workout/film study with no consequences.

This offense requires machine like reactions.  You only get there through study and repetition and we do not have that from most of the players.  I have seen teams with lesser talent beat more talented teams because they had a high level of committment and it showed on the field.

These coaches may talk it but do not walk it consistently.  So a system that requires such dedication coupled with players that are not dedicated and coaches that do not hold kids accountable is going to lead to more years of bad football at RSS.  On top of that, you have coaches that are not putting the ball in play makers hands in the right situations.  Putting a receiver in a RB position or putting a RB in a QB position is tough...they don't think the way the position is supposed to play.

I hope the Jr. High coaches do avoid this offense so that this hire doesnt set us back multiple years once this guys contract is up.
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Crosby 35 Lee 21

True RSS fans ? I think that is an extinct breed...we dont have the old men at the donut shop talking ranger football because the program has been in the toilet for 30 years so no tradition was ever built. The only fans are the parents of the kids, the parents of the band and Stars. You have very few if any people that are just fans and contine to support the program. At Lee yes, Sterling no. I guess that came with being the "new other" school when Lee has been around forever.

LP I am an alum and always will be a Ranger thus why I am passionate about what I am seeing. The problem is, we have heard this same story now for what 30 years? Only coaches I can remember are Stafford, Manley, Terrebone, the guy from San angelo gandy, Minyards boss and then Minyard. Every time its buy into the system, it takes time etc but what do we have to show for it? Nothing. This is why this hire was so important, finally, the talent is there again which is a miracle considering the three high school split, and it seems we have taken a time warp back to the 70's. I dont need a sexy offense, I just want one that works. We are never going to have the beef up front to just impose our will and run it down peoples throats. We need misdirection, we need trickery, we need to spread the field, and use our kids with speed in space.  Kids only get 4 years of the HS experience and if you think about it, how many generations have been wasted learing new systems and giving the adminstators time to put the right guy in place? Its such a waste and its sickening to watch. Especially when you see the programs like Dayton (who built theirs with a former Baytown guy in Jerry Stewart), Katy, North Shore, and to some extent BH.  Like qB1 said, all of those schools have their JR Highs being farm systems and teaching them the basics. In GCCISD, the high school coaches in the past rarely give any thought to the Jr High kids or coaches. The last two years atleast the kids at CBJ learned the spread Sterling was running and had success with it only to have the carpet yanked out from under them.  Out of all the jr highs, it was probably the one that had some resemblance of a system from the high school, but when  paired against pretty even talent against Dayton, the differnece was those kids over there were drilled hard on the system and had a whole nother level of knowledge that was the difference in the game. Those kids from 5th grade up are learing some form of their system while the kids in Baytown are being taught the optimist offense lol.

As for the coach taking heat, well he should. The numbers speak for themselves and he choose to come here. I still cant figure out why you would leave the resources of Clear Lake where your own son was still playing to take on this project. Maybe it was all about the $$$$$$$

As for GCCISD, I blame them for a few reasons. One having three high schools to begin with and then forcing RSS to stay as a 5A. It just isnt right with the numbers they have and I'd like to hear the reasoning on why they choose to do it. Second by not having true feeder programs into the JR Highs which makes it virtually impossible to teach or implement any kind of system.
Third, and maybe its because no one wants the jobs, but the hires have left something to be desired. Manley, Terrebone, Minyard? The new guy at  Lee? The guy at GCM seems decent but like Pats said they have the ability so what is missing?

Bottom line its very frustrating that NONE of the GCCISD programs are doing well and frankly its not acceptable.
[quote name="LP0175" post="1060942" timestamp="1316481612"]
Just offering a different viewing window: whatever happen to taking pride in your work? The will to make work what is given to you?  I understand that the fans want a sexy offense but if it true that the kids are undiscipline as I'm reading and Coach A has brought in structure then I ask what I really important to RSS?  Most good program have a foundation that win or lose they will uphold it it. I'm not getting that about RSS "supporters".  People who have taking over responibility to rebuilt a piec of crap (car, house, gov. Office, restaruant, vacant lot, etc.) Know its an ugly process to make a swan out of an ugly duckling. 

I believe that he (coach) is doing the right thing by taking the heat he is taking and to be fair he CHOSE. To come to a program that has the support compariable to a large junior high. So I don't thinki he really cares what fair-weather fans think. And I don't
Blame him. So often a coach is ask to be more than a coach to these kids. He has to be a male parental figure, a counsulor, therapist, best friend and so oh(not to mention he still has to perform his teaching duties). 


Just be patient TRUE RSS fans and support YOUR program no matter who is there. 

[quote author=joebob link=topic=88371.msg1060914#msg1060914 date=1316479614]
I dont disagree with getting rid of the kids that dont have respect, dont come to practice, get in trouble etc...I think he is handling those correctly by having a strict discipline program with basically 3 strikes you are out. Whats crazy is why did it take until now to enforce it? Minyard let the kids run over him with the inmates running the asylum. I do give props to the new guy as he doesnt put up with much BS which should be the case.

As for practice, there are a lot of eyes out there and pretty much everyone is seeing and saying the same thing. At the freshman level the parents not happy which bodes trouble for the future of the program. If you lose these kids, and these are a GOOD group of kids on and off the field, then I dont see how this program will ever get going. Most of these kids are very respectful and many are AP students which should be a coaches dream...but if the kids arent having fun or dont believe A)they quit and focus on basketball, baseball, track etc B)They quit and turn into thugs, C) They move to another school, that is what I am worried about.

I get the impression that the coach cringes every time Gibson makes a play on a pass because it just feeds the parents and kids into wanting to do it more. Ive watched his reaction and you can tell its like raking your nails on a chalkboard for him. Kind of like the rest of us watching fumble after fumble and  1 yard runs into a stacked 10 in the box defense.

[quote author=GCMPats link=topic=88371.msg1060778#msg1060778 date=1316464618]
Unless we know what happens M-Thurs, I say we leave the game decisions to the coaches.

I like what I see off the field. Right now that is more important to me than W's.
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I dont disagree with getting rid of the kids that dont have respect, dont come to practice, get in trouble etc...I think he is handling those correctly by having a strict discipline program with basically 3 strikes you are out. Whats crazy is why did it take until now to enforce it? Minyard let the kids run over him with the inmates running the asylum. I do give props to the new guy as he doesnt put up with much BS which should be the case.

As for practice, there are a lot of eyes out there and pretty much everyone is seeing and saying the same thing. At the freshman level the parents not happy which bodes trouble for the future of the program. If you lose these kids, and these are a GOOD group of kids on and off the field, then I dont see how this program will ever get going. Most of these kids are very respectful and many are AP students which should be a coaches dream...but if the kids arent having fun or dont believe A)they quit and focus on basketball, baseball, track etc B)They quit and turn into thugs, C) They move to another school, that is what I am worried about.

I get the impression that the coach cringes every time Gibson makes a play on a pass because it just feeds the parents and kids into wanting to do it more. Ive watched his reaction and you can tell its like raking your nails on a chalkboard for him. Kind of like the rest of us watching fumble after fumble and  1 yard runs into a stacked 10 in the box defense.

[quote name="GCMPats" post="1060778" timestamp="1316464618"]
Unless we know what happens M-Thurs, I say we leave the game decisions to the coaches.

I like what I see off the field. Right now that is more important to me than W's.
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Could be but atleast it would be local district full of rivalry. Sterling has no business playing North Shore, West Brook or La Porte anymore.

Here is some numbers to ponder as posted in the Baytown sun.
They were outscored 85-41 going into the oak ridge game. They lost to oak ridge 48-7 so now that stands at 133 -48. Total deficit now stands at 85 points  :o

Oak Ridge had given up 147 points in three games good for 49 a game yet RSS managed only a hail mary to Gibson to sore  :o

The Baytown sun reporter took at jab at the coach with this statement. " Gibson may be Sterlings best offensive weapon, but he rarely touches the ball"  The coach then said that the rangers win with defense and they cant worry about jamars stats. How about we just focus on winning period whether its offense ,defense or like that team in arkansas that did an onside kick everytime they could. I'm open to anything at this point lol. If the Rangers dont beat Pasadena this week it will be an O-FER season.

[quote name="LP0175" post="1060206" timestamp="1316392466"]
One more course for Dayton, BH, and Crosby to dine on. GGISD just don't care anymore. Plain and simple. I'm guessing there is no open enrollment @ GCCISD. THEY SHOULD CONSIDER THAT OPTION.
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Ding ding ding we have a winner. Again why I blame GCCISD. It makes perfect since and creates rivalries with all the schools. Those 3 with BH, Dayton, and Crosby would be fun.

On top of it making sense from a football perspective, like you said it saves money and time. That is a rough trip for all sports to travel to beaumont and port arthur. Talk about late nights for baseball, volleyball, soccer, basketball etc. If GCCISD cant afford to bus kids that live 2 miles away from their campus to SCHOOL, we sure as hell shouldnt be bussing 60 miles away for sports.

[quote name="GCMPats" post="1059590" timestamp="1316314954"]
The 4a concept  was presented to the school board. It's an easy  fix that would send kids that live in close proximity back to REL. The suggestion was shot down. For some reason  they want to have a 5a school in GCCISD.

Next year would be a perfect time with the expected departure of North Forest. It  would also cut travel expenses for our district by getting  out of Beaumont. It might also bring some interest back to football in Baytown.
The biggest problem is that it makes too much sense.
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Of course it doesnt, but it shows the talent is there. It just needs to be coached up. CBJ lost one game in the past two years and that was to Dayton. Gentry lost 3 games with two being to CBJ and one to Dayton. The difference now is the studs from CBJ are now going to school with the studs at Gentry where as Dayton has the same players. This same group scored zero points last 9a game and scored 6 the week before. Of course they scored 41 against lee but CBJ could beat Lee. None of the players at Gentry that made that team went to GCM which is really amazing considering the split high schools they feed into. CBJ is a feeder to RSS so all those kids are there.

[quote name="GCMPats" post="1059400" timestamp="1316305995"]
I know for a FACT that winning games at Gentry does not translate into wins at high school. My  sons team was loaded at Gentry (lost 1 game in 2 years). They graduated last year with nothing to show for it.
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I dont know about sissy ball but thats what is frustrating about this system. We finally have good talent in the freshman ranks that is being wasted in this system.  These kids could put something together but Im afraid this system handicapps them so much they wont be able to do it. Zero points for the 9a team thursday, the same kids that thrashed everyone for the past two years outside of dayton who just had a much better system at the jr high level.  These kids beat both north shore jr highs so you cant tell me the talent isnt there.

[quote name="SFA85" post="1059367" timestamp="1316303762"]
Y'all talk as if Baytown was some bastion of good football.  Lee played Sissy Ball under Olin and despite having 5 QBs in a row, could barely make it to the 2nd round.  I work with a guy who was @Sterling the last time they were descent which was around '87 so either close Lee/Memorial and go back to 2 schools or move some kids from Sterling to Lee so all 3 schools can play 4A ball....
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The Qb has been moved to defense. They are running two sophs out there right now.

Gibson has verbaled to atm but chance nelson supposedly has left school this week so they are worried he will not go now.


As for having all three schools 4a, I agree 100%. There is no reason why sterling should be a 5a school. Rezone so they are all 4a and in the same district.

[quote name="panamamyers" post="1059230" timestamp="1316293258"]
Clear Lake still looked pretty stout on offense last year.
Much better execution than this Sterling team obviously. 
I understand the frustration with the coaching, but you have to give the guy a couple of years to get the system in place.  You don't just start implementing this offense and look like a well-oiled machine the first year.
Think back to Olin's 0-10 year.  Lee looked bad.
It's obvious Sterling does not have the guys to run the offense right now.
The qb is good, though he has no idea how to run the offense.  Outside of that Franklin is more of a slot receiver type, then you have the punter playing fullback.  And not a fullback that happens to be able to punt.  This is a punter that just go stuck back at fullback near as I can tell.

If they can find a qb smart enough to run the offense, then just give it to next year at the very least.
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do you think mack brown wanted to go 5-7 last year? Fact is some coaches are too stubborn to admit their mistakes, brown finally woke up and got rid of his offensive coordinator. This year in 1.5 games the new guys figured out gilbert isnt the guy and put up 49 points today with a ton of freshman. Sometimes coaches refuse to admit they are wrong.

[quote name="GCMPats" post="1059104" timestamp="1316280280"]
Why don't these kids (and  their parents) stop questioning the schemes and just  do their jobs.

I've been aound HS football and coaches for a long time. I have yet to meet a coach  that did not want to be successful.

I say we give Coach Adudel at least a year  to  get his program in place before we pass judgement. What most of the players at RSS lack is  discipline. My biggest disappointment from last night was  that Gibson was even allowed to remain in the game after throwing a punch in the 1st quarter.
Other than that, I'm willing to see what year 2 brings.
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Pats I guess its because it goes on year after year and year and nothing ever changes. No team ever turns the corner and starts winning. When is the last time we had a legit playoff team? When tate was here? Making it as the 4th team out of 6 team district is just charity and most of those teams dont even deserve the extra game.

I thought Aduddel would atleast bring discipline and I think to a certain extent he has, it has much more than they had under minyard. But you risk the chance that if your true stars screw up of not having any studs so if you are going to talk the talk they should have sat gibson. I missed the play but saw the penalty was on oak ridge so I didnt see the punch and wonder if he did throw a punch why was the penalty on the other team?

[quote name="LP0175" post="1058730" timestamp="1316228838"]
So much for that high scoring spread offense Lee runs. So exciting!
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Yes because Lee is very [s]disciplined[/s] in their offense lol, give me a break. Lee man run a "spread" but if its anything more than just running around trying to make something happened I sure havent seen it. I wonder if they actually watch film and have any scheme before the game? Lee has athletes and should be winning more games, especially at the 4a level.

GCM is by far the one school I havent watched much of, but again I know they have athletes but every week I hear the same story about beating themselves with missed assignments, poor tackling, penalties, etc etc...Good programs and good coaches correct those things but yet here we are in what year 4 or 5 still dealing with the same issues? Where is the improvement?  I would venture to say GCM has better skill athletes than BH so where are the results?

At Sterling, you hired a guy that had one great year at CL running the option. He also had a stud QB that knew the option inside and out. I would venture to say CL's offensive line has 50 pounds on average more than Sterling does so they are able to move and control the line of scrimmage. Have you seen Sterlings line? The defense just  muggs the line of scrimmage because there is virtually no threat of throwing the ball and its almost like running into a wall over and over and over. Its suppose to control the clock but what is happening is the Offense goes three and out most of the time or fumbles which is wearing the defense out. The last two games have been 6-0 at half and 6-0 after end of 1.  Although the D isnt great it just cant keep bailing out the offense.

Im telling you the younger kids ar getting frustrated with it. The freshman group that only lost a couple of games their jr high careers have now lost 2 in a row with last game scoring zero points on offense. They are starting to question the schemes when teams like oak ridge running the spread scored at will. Hopefully they stick with it or dont transfer but I would not be shocked to see some mass exodus from the program, and if that happens its spells doom as the future is with these 9th graders.

All the Baytown schools are terrible and I blame GCCISD for their hires. All three coaches are in way over their heads.

Score when I left 48-7. Option offense again terrible, only score was a fly ball thrown short to gibson who came back to get it and then juked a defender to score as the half ran out. So much for controlling the clock and having a good defense, good grief.

wait terry ran the option? ....they just shut down sterling two weeks ago running it lol

33-0 last i heard humble, nice offense once again lol

Move to baytown and you can choose between sterling or barbers hill to run the option lol

Yep that one play to gibson accounted for more yards than 50 rushes lol

If RSS doesnt beat CV they will go winless this year. All the excitement to start the season is gone and is hard to see anything good happening the rest of the way. If you only run for 50 yards against south houston then you might have a problem, a big one.

Embarrassing. Did I see that right? More passing yds than rushing yards with 50 plus rushing attempts

Baytown Sterling freshman A 20 - South Houston 12
Baytown Sterling freshman B 22 - South Houston 0
Baytown Sterling JV A 8 - South Houston 6

Well that goes along with my point, there are not many looking for option style qbs  so if one was missed they missed on one of 3 schools looking for them vs hundrends running the more modern offenses.  Not only that, has it been successful anywhere?  CL with oswold got to the semi finals one year and then the next year I think went 0 fer.  Has any modern team running the option won a state title in the 4a or 5a ranks?