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If Hodges left wouldn't it say head football coach also? I'm confused.

I believe this game was rescheduled as a double header Friday.

I am picking HD to win, but Dville is not an easy place to get a win. I am picking HD simply because I believe we are the faster team, it sure is good to be able to say that again.

I believe you should reward your best coach with the AD title.  If that means its the girls basketball coach then it is what it is.  I think the issue comes in that a good head football coach expects the AD title and pay.  I am just crazy enough to think we should do what's best for the students, and I believe that is rewarding good coaches, those not only successful on the field or court but those able to build relationships with the students.  You want more kids involved in more sports, someone has to do the hard work of building relationships.  When we had Coach Finney at HD, we fielded a JV and Varsity football team and had more girls involved in athletics, simply because students loved him and wanted to play for him not because he was AD.

2 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

04 is as far back as it goes so I can’t say either way.  I’m sure there were some decent (relative) teams in the past when the population was a little higher.  No doubt HD had success back during the oil boom but I’ve heard the town has been slowly dying for a while.

Seriously my last comment, we could use an economic steroid shot.  It's heart breaking to watch.

15 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

Not to butt in to y’all’s conversation..but according to maxpreps.  Dating back to 04 HD is

2004 3-8, 2005 4-6, 2006 7-4, 2007 7-4, 2008 7-3, 2009 5-6, 2010 5-6, 2011 4-6, 2012 7-4, 2013 4-7, 2014 4-6, 2015 2-8, 2016 7-4, 2017 4-7, 2018 5-5, 2019 2-7

Since 2004 that’s 73-87 (Pretty sure) with a large majority of those wins coming against West Hardin, Sabine Pass, Chester, High Island, or Burkeville.  Sorry.. but it is what it is.

No argument there, but 2004 to present would be 15 yrs.  He said several decades, just calling out the details. Lol.  It's an off topic point anyways.  I think I have said my piece on the topic so I am not commenting any more here, it's just hard to let some of 89Falcons trash go by.

2 hours ago, 89Falcon said:

Actually for the past several decades, they were not supposed to make runs, only compete with WH, DV, Burkeville, and Sabine Pass. This is also the forecast for the next several decades.

Under certain circumstances and with "masterclass" coaching they may be able defeat all of said bottom feeders on a given year.  With a little help from UIL they may be able to recreate a district comprised of the bottom feeders and in such a case they may be able to "make the playoffs" and take a beating in the first round.

 

If you go several decades you could add Warren, New Waverly, Hardin, Evadale,and East Chambers to the list we competed with and in most cases dominated, but I can't argue about the 1st round loss.  To say we competed with only 4 schools shows either your disrespect or your ignorance, I will let you choose.  Don't think for one minute coaching isn't important here.  Finney with the same number of students had a varsity and a jv.  While we did lose in the first round it was 2 very good games against Alto.  Now we only field a varsity and there isn't the same excitement in the stands.  It seems to go down year after year.  

28 minutes ago, 89Falcon said:

HD won "one" district game last year as opposed to "none" this year. HD "power" potential extends no farther than Sabine Pass, WH, Burkeville, etc. HD will compete nowhere beyond the local bottom feeder circuit regardless of classification. This has not changed in the past several decades.

In regards to the coaching, HD should count themselves fortunate that they have a warm body to place in the position. Should Bill Belichick take the position, HD would see no quantifiable change in results. 

I know you hate HD and have nothing good to say for us, but if that position of AD/HC was opened there would be plenty of candidates.

38 minutes ago, WOSgrad said:

I know I explained this earlier and will again.  Shortly after stepping down, Coach Hodges reached out to me to explain the steps that lead to his stepping down and turning overt the reigns to Coach Wallace.  Again, it was a divorced father who had wanted to see his only son play his final year of football.  He had hoped that final year would be at H-D, which is why he waited until it was settled that his son would play his senior year elsewhere.  He was still around the team during the week, but the position allowed him to get away on Friday and see his son play. 

Was it foolish of Coach Hodges to hold out hope until so late in the game?  Maybe.  But then I could never understand the circumstances.  I have no children of my own and I grew up  is a household with parents who have now been married for over 50 years. 

As to Coach Wallace, I think you are underestimating his skills, he had been Coach Hodges' right hand man since he got there and possesses plenty of football knowledge.  Simply because the Bobcats had a less then successful year doesn't mean that Coach Wallace was not qualified for the job.

You are entitled to your opinion but I would point out that over the last several years, Hull-Daisetta has run off a number of decent coaches.  You don't want to gain a reputation like the one you are earning by starting a topic like this.

Who were these coaches run off in the last several years?  My whole point is a disservice was done to the students and it looks like no one will be held responsible.  As adults we have to make tough decisions, the decision should of been made in a timely manner to which HD would have had a head coach on the sidelines Friday nights, not handed down the day before practice began.

4 hours ago, oldschool2 said:

Again.. you obviously don’t know the situation.  I already explained that there was good reason for waiting to make the decision.  I also said that he made it clear that he was more than happy to resign if the school (Sup/board) wasn’t happy with it.  I also explained that they ^ decided he was too valuable to their school leadership goals to let leave over one football season where he (for the one time and last chance) would be able to attend all of his Son’s high school football games.  You don’t have to agree with it but you might as well be happy about accepting it.

I know enough of the situation to know the right thing by the students wasn't done. You can blame Hodges or the school board/superintendent it makes no matter.  No one in their right mind can say this was ok.  You say you have so much knowledge of the situation but would you be ok if your son had to suffer because the head coach decided he would do other things instead of fulfilling his obligations. Once again he should have stepped away last year and done the right thing.

8 minutes ago, HasBeen36 said:

This whole topic on conversation is stupid. 
 

I’m going to come to yalls places of work and start a thread about how bad at your job you are on an Internet forum. These dudes have kids and families and lives to live. If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say nothing at all. HD coaches love their students and love their jobs. I know must of them personally. 
 

Hodges is a great guy and so is Wallace. Get off their case. 

No one is saying they are not great guys.  No one is saying they don't love their students.  Coaching is a job that will always be judged on the product you put on the field.  If we have kids that attend the school and we live in the community, I believe we have a right to an opinion on this issue.

10 minutes ago, oldschool2 said:

You’re comparing “do you think the school I teach at to let me sit at home and pay me?” to him not being the head football coach this year?  Does he sit at home and get paid to be an athletic director?  
The current HC IS NOT the AD.. maybe you didn’t mean to type that.

I think coaching had an effect on little things like structure and discipline (not that it was bad).  I think the head coach had zero effect on the overall record.  None.

Me saying current HC/AD is saying this wasn't a permanent thing and Hodges will return as head coach.  Almost no small school has an AD that's not the HC also, and HD never has.  He was hired to be AD/HC, in fact hired for football specifically.  Again my point is if he knew he couldn't or wouldn't fulfil his obligation he should have stepped aside at the end of last school year to give the the school the opportunity to bring in a head coach for football.  It's ok if we don't agree on that, but that doesn't make our opinion ignorant.  I also disagree with coaching didn't impact the outcome of the games.  Again I am not saying we would have necessarily won more games, just that we could've competed better in games.  

4 hours ago, oldschool2 said:

It appears that you aren’t familiar with the situation either.  A) I said he was ignorant because his original post implied that the head coach stopped coaching in order to be an AD only, dodging the responsibilities of being a head coach and all that comes with it. B ) did it ever occur to you that there may have been good reason for waiting until the end of summer to make the decision?  I don’t know the situation in full detail, nor do I know the coach personally, nor is it any of mine or your business so I won’t post the reason I heard for him waiting.  But it’s a legitimate reason (if what I heard is true). Furthermore, I heard that he actually offered to resign if the district wasn’t happy with his reasoning.. but that the Sup and board decided that he was too valuable to the school so they agreed to give him the year to be a dad to his senior son.  Again.. information that I heard from my friends that have friends.

Even if none of that is true, it seems to me that HD fans are notorious for wanting instant success when it just isn’t feasible.  I happen to remember at the beginning of the season all of the “it’s gonna be a good thing..won’t miss a beat” type talk when word of your basketball guy was taking over.  So I don’t wanna hear it.  Yeah, I said he was ignorant because of (explanation ^).. maybe you’re a little bit ignorant as well.

"HD fans are notorious", most of us HD fans will always pay for a few posters.  I understand that a coach sacrifices a lot to coach, especially family time.  I am a teacher and a pastor, but when I went to college I only wanted to coach.  By the time I graduated I didn't feel I could give the time required, so I chose not to coach.  If he knew he couldn't make the sacrifices needed he should have resigned. You are not going to convince me otherwise.  The school I teach at won't let me sit at home and pay me.  Like I said, most of us expected a down year, but it was the way kids seemed lost much of the time.  Either way this season is over, now the decision has to be made whether the current HC/AD stays are not.  I honestly don't see him leaving, but as a fan we can have an opinion on the issue.  Let me ask, how many HD games did you attend this year?  Do you think coaching had no effect on the product on the field?  

13 hours ago, oldschool2 said:

The head coach stepped down for the last chance to watch his senior son play football, who attended a different school.  From what I’ve heard it wasn’t permanent. Regardless, HD would’ve sucked no matter who was calling the shots because they were a young team in a tough district.  Your ignorance is staggering.

Why say he is ignorant?  We all expected to lose games this year, but not in the manner in which they lost.  Players did not look like they were in a position to be successful against comparable talent. As far as the coach, his son did not become a senior over night.  If he wanted to watch him instead of coach, he should have stepped aside at the end of last school year so a coach could have been hired.  HD was stuck with a basketball coach all season.  It wasn't right for the kids or the community.  I think the superintendent should have not let him shuck his responsibility of head coach without making him resign all together.

50-30 Groveton

5 hours ago, NetCat said:

How about this...does anybody think HD plays within 2 TD's? HD is down really bad this year, what happened? Does anybody on here know? 

I don't have exact numbers in front of me, but what I can tell you is besides graduating starters in key roles, they also had a few starters from last year move to other schools.  They start several freshmen and as a whole they are just a young team with a couple seniors mixed in.  I am excited for the future of this freshmen class, but this year will be growing pains on top of growing pains.

Honestly, the score of this game will be dependent upon the mercy of the SA coach.  

Kountze wins 14-8

Old school fan, I wish y'all the best.  

Can we use the excuse HD beat themselves?  Just kidding.  WH was the better team tonight.  We knew there would be growing pains with this young team, we just hoped it wouldn't be at this game.  I for one am excited for the future at HD.  Good game by the Oilers and I really liked their offense.  The thing about this game is you talk trash all the way till game time then you go across the field and hug your family.

I understand HD's victory was against Burkeville, which is not a good measuring stick by any means, but I was really impressed by the freshmen and the team as a whole.  I don't think we are talking state champions by any stretch of the imagination, but I think we are going to get some wins this season.  I do think HD takes this one and don't care by how much.  If this class of freshmen stay together and stay healthy they are a special group, that's a big IF.   

HD has about the same chance as the New York Giants did against the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl a few years ago.  Remember the Giants barely got in playoffs while New England came in undefeated.  How did that turn out?  I am not saying HD is going to win but I am saying if they put together the right "1" game they can take this.  I promise you won't find a team with more heart. 

HD won 34-21.

HD wins 58-23.

HD wins 46-41