The Art of the Squeal

[DCT]

2 hours ago, mat said:

Trump under estimated Irans defiance and over estimated our ability to defeat. Irans radical Muslim beliefs will not allow them to give in and they believe it to be a great honor and rewarding to die for Allah. This is not political. It’s like negotiating with devil. 
 

 

Well said.

[Separation Scientist]

10 hours ago, Porter said:

Bruh….The oppressive regime is still in control. The same oppressive regime that slaughtered 40,000 of its own people. You know the people that Trump told to rise up because help was on the way but never showed up. No one is rooting for the Iran we’re are just living in reality. Trump was talked into a stupid war that he wasn’t willing to go all in on to remove the root of the problem. That problem will keep festering till the end of time. Those pot shots you are talking about are keeping the full free flow of the Strait. If I read correctly the other day we have 2 weeks worth of strategic oil reserves left. That’s why Trump wants a deal done quickly. He wasted at least 2 months by running his piehole too much and now he’s in a pickle. He should have went all in when he started this war and it would have probably already been over. He’s getting played like a Charlie Daniel’s Fiddle right now. 

 

Trump ELIMINATED the global nuke threat from Iran, BRUH.  

[mat]

1 hour ago, Separation Scientist said:

Trump ELIMINATED the global nuke threat from Iran, BRUH.  

How many times now?

[Porter]

1 hour ago, Separation Scientist said:

Trump ELIMINATED the global nuke threat from Iran, BRUH.  

Bruh ….I thought he obliterated their nuke capability last summer? Did he really really obliterate them again this summer? Pinky swear?

The same oppressive radical regime is still in charge except they will be 300 billion plus wealthier to keep terrorizing the world after this ceasefire that allows each other to keep shooting at each other is over. 
 

Trump is giving away the farm to exit this stupid war! Go Big or Go Home! 
 

 

[OlDawg]

4 hours ago, Separation Scientist said:

Trump ELIMINATED the global nuke threat from Iran, BRUH.  

Not sure we can say that yet. It’s known now that Iran was developing nuclear material at numerous military sites that were undeclared to the IAEA, or anyone else.

These sites were never inspected under the previous agreement as the Obama Administration gave them that carve out.

Basically, we don’t know what we don’t know at this time.

[Separation Scientist]

We know Irans stockpile was reduced to dust by three bunker busters, We know Irans enrichment labs was reduced to dust by three bunker busters. We know Iran can do much more than lob a hidden drone once ever week or so. We know there is no nuke delivery system because their missiles were reduced to dust by over 10,000 US strikes. Iran cant even fly a small plane now, much less launch a military nuke.   

[OlDawg]

1 hour ago, Separation Scientist said:

We know Irans stockpile was reduced to dust by three bunker busters, We know Irans enrichment labs was reduced to dust by three bunker busters. We know Iran can do much more than lob a hidden drone once ever week or so. We know there is no nuke delivery system because their missiles were reduced to dust by over 10,000 US strikes. Iran cant even fly a small plane now, much less launch a military nuke.   

Here's a pretty reliable think-tank assessment. It helps explain some of the confusion surrounding Iran's remaining capabilities.

As I stated--regardless of propaganda--there's still a lot of unknowns. It doesn't discuss the nuclear issue in this piece. But, there's no verified intelligence assessment on the exact damage to Iran's nuclear program. There are summations. Those summations are based on incomplete intel. The only way to get a true accounting is to topple the regime by whatever means is required where direct intelligence can be gathered.

That's part of the danger of any 'deal.' There's no true baseline without the regime's full cooperation--which won't be coming.

I know "regime change" is a dirty phrase to many--if not most. But--in this case--it will probably be the only way. The Administration needs to make the case for it. Right now, the IRGC is helping make the case to other world leaders themselves. But, there are a lot of everyday people in America who believe something different. They need to be convinced.

Educate them on how the current Iranian regime remaining in place will affect their gas prices, and every other good they purchase. Make it more than just about the nuclear program. Make it about day-to-day life and expenses. Tell them how Iran regulating oil through the Strait will affect their pocketbook. They should have plenty of recent evidence now.

I'll agree it doesn't appear Iran can launch a nuclear warhead at this time. That's as far as I'll go as it relates to their nuke program status. I can guarantee that's as far as any internal intelligence assessment provided to POTUS will go. It won't provide definitive details. That's not how our assessments work unless the info is verified by multiple sources. What he does with the assessments he does receive from there is more of a political statement on his part for his own reasons.

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[thetragichippy]

14 hours ago, OlDawg said:

Basically, we don’t know what we don’t know at this time.

That should be the take away. 
 

Our intelligence knows more than they are telling us.

Which other administration eliminated their Navy and Air Force?

I think if Obama or Biden had done this, the media would be reporting we are in much better shape then they are now. 

[baddog]

2 hours ago, Separation Scientist said:

We know Irans stockpile was reduced to dust by three bunker busters, We know Irans enrichment labs was reduced to dust by three bunker busters. We know Iran can do much more than lob a hidden drone once ever week or so. We know there is no nuke delivery system because their missiles were reduced to dust by over 10,000 US strikes. Iran cant even fly a small plane now, much less launch a military nuke.   

I agree. We will not know the extent of actual damage for a while. Heck, the smoke hasn’t even cleared. Previous administrations attempted to “negotiate” with terrorist and failed miserably, but their dealings were never questioned. Sanctions were put in place, but their terror networks still existed and they continued to attack without any consequences. Obama tried to smuggle Iran millions of dollars of their own money, which was totally against the sanctions. Not one question from the left. Trump has at least tried to show them who is the boss. No one else had the balls to attack the largest terror network in the world.

You have people who cry about being in a war in general. You will always have those kinds of people. They are useless. Then you have those who cry about the costs but then cry about a ceasefire. Make that make sense. Then they cry about civilian casualties. It’s terrible but no war has ever been fought that had zero civilians killed. Then there is the concern for American casualties. No war has ever been fought where zero soldiers were lost. Of course that hurts me when we lose our own. I hold them in my thoughts constantly.

In summary, Trump is supposed to completely remove the terrorist regime, completely destroy their nuclear capabilities, open the straits for safe world commerce, accomplish all these feats without any civilian deaths, U.S. military deaths, keep the price of oil down, and do it at a cost of a couple thousand dollars. Man, some people are delusional living in their fantasy world.

[OlDawg]

47 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

That should be the take away. 
 

Our intelligence knows more than they are telling us.

Which other administration eliminated their Navy and Air Force?

I think if Obama or Biden had done this, the media would be reporting we are in much better shape then they are now. 

The media will do what the media does. The Trump Administration--and Trump himself--is partially to blame for some of the negative press because of their own embellishments. Just lay out the facts that are known. The basic elimination of their major naval power & their airpower is a fact. The major damage inflicted to their military/industrial complex is a fact. The damage to their economy is a fact. Much of their previous leadership eliminated is a fact.

Just stay away from all the embellishments about their nuke program, and specific missile capabilities. Even Trump said last week we believe they still have at least 20-25% of their ballistic missile capability left. So, quit saying that danger is eliminated. That's an exaggeration that just makes the Admin look foolish and inept when Iran fires more missiles.

Why we haven't eliminated every single radar installation they have by now is a head scratcher. Communication and advance warning systems are always the first things to target.

[Reagan]

34 minutes ago, baddog said:

I agree. We will not know the extent of actual damage for a while. Heck, the smoke hasn’t even cleared. Previous administrations attempted to “negotiate” with terrorist and failed miserably, but their dealings were never questioned. Sanctions were put in place, but their terror networks still existed and they continued to attack without any consequences. Obama tried to smuggle Iran millions of dollars of their own money, which was totally against the sanctions. Not one question from the left. Trump has at least tried to show them who is the boss. No one else had the balls to attack the largest terror network in the world.

You have people who cry about being in a war in general. You will always have those kinds of people. They are useless. Then you have those who cry about the costs but then cry about a ceasefire. Make that make sense. Then they cry about civilian casualties. It’s terrible but no war has ever been fought that had zero civilians killed. Then there is the concern for American casualties. No war has ever been fought where zero soldiers were lost. Of course that hurts me when we lose our own. I hold them in my thoughts constantly.

In summary, Trump is supposed to completely remove the terrorist regime, completely destroy their nuclear capabilities, open the straits for safe world commerce, accomplish all these feats without any civilian deaths, U.S. military deaths, keep the price of oil down, and do it at a cost of a couple thousand dollars. Man, some people are delusional living in their fantasy world.

This is but one of the many, many symptoms of being a permanent tenant in the TDS cult!  

[OlDawg]

1 minute ago, Reagan said:

This is but one of the many, many symptoms of being a permanent tenant in the TDS cult!  

No more delusional than you believing this would only take 2 weeks. Just sayin'.