The Art of the Squeal

[Porter]

7 hours ago, Separation Scientist said:

Ask the Iran military. You can find them at the bottom of the sea. 

No way to spin this:

Obama gave Iran $1.7B to stop making nukes. 

Trump 2.0 agreed to give them $300B to rebuild, and unfreeze between $12-24B of their frozen assets, to re-open the Strait.*

*Vance, Witcoff, Kusher are the architects.

Israel had best look out for itself.

The United States provided Israel with over $174B in total economic and military assistance since 1948.

"The United States, along with regional partners" is giving Iran $300B, plus unfreeze another $24B in assets ASAP.

If you're against giving Israel foreign aid you should be freaking out over what Iran is getting.

[baddog]

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, the proposed $300 billion reconstruction and development fund is contingent on Iran fully complying with a comprehensive peace agreement. The specific conditions and mechanics to access these funds include: [

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• Nuclear and Behavioral Concessions: Iran must dismantle its nuclear program, eliminate its enriched uranium stockpile, and accept a stringent international inspection and enforcement regime. [
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• No Direct U.S. Funding: The United States government explicitly mandates that not a single cent of taxpayer money will be paid to Iran. [
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• Private and Regional Investments: The $300 billion will be raised through a vehicle of private-sector commitments and investments from international and Gulf Arab regional partners. [
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• "Investable" Climate: To attract these private and regional funds, Iran must make itself an investable nation, demonstrating it will not resume nuclear weapons programs or engage in destabilizing regional conflicts. [
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• A Finalized Peace Deal: The fund will not be formally established or become operational until a final, satisfactory peace deal is successfully concluded and signed. [
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[Porter]

17 minutes ago, baddog said:

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• Nuclear and Behavioral Concessions: Iran must dismantle its nuclear program, eliminate its enriched uranium stockpile, and accept a stringent international inspection and enforcement regime. [
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The same oppressive regime is being reloaded with a massive amount of money.

Spin it how you want.

Vance restores Obama era deal requirement to allow UN nuclear inspectors in Iran. Good! Very good news...

In exchange, the US will immediately lift certain sanctions and allow Iran to sell their oil on the open market in US dollars. Not so good.

[baddog]

2 minutes ago, Porter said:

The same oppressive regime is being reloaded with a massive amount of money.

Spin it how you want.

A Google search quoting facts is a spin…..got it.

[Porter]

1 hour ago, baddog said:

A Google search quoting facts is a spin…..got it.

Spin meaning that it’s a good deal. It’s not. 

Yeah Trump got it alright. Still waiting on the America First agenda to kick in!

Sounds like you were right behind Reagan to get Baptized by Trump in the reflecting pool by Trump. 

[baddog]

37 minutes ago, Porter said:

Spin meaning that it’s a good deal. It’s not. 

Yeah Trump got it alright. Still waiting on the America First agenda to kick in!

Sounds like you were right behind Reagan to get Baptized by Trump in the reflecting pool by Trump. 

I can see you got a like from girlz for the personal attack. When you try to show Trump as the bad guy without explaining why Obama smuggled $400 million CASH to the Iranians, and his policies had no effect on their nuclear program shutdown, well then its’ simply lying by misinforming. Changing the subject and attacking instead of discussing your mistake is perfectly understandable. I also see you edited your post after mine. Good job.

[baddog]

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The Obama administration sent a total of $1.7 billion in cash to Iran in 2016. The funds were delivered in foreign currencies (including Swiss francs and euros) stacked on wooden pallets, with the initial installment of $400 million secretly airlifted into Tehran on an unmarked cargo plane. [

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Here is a breakdown of how the funds were distributed:

• Initial Payment: $400 million delivered on pallets.
• Subsequent Payments: $1.3 billion delivered in two additional shipments within 19 days. [
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Why the cash was sent
Administration officials stated the payments resolved a decades-old arbitration dispute at an international tribunal in The Hague. The money originated from a Iranian trust fund used to purchase military equipment in the 1970s prior to the Islamic Revolution. Because strict international sanctions barred direct wire transfers or standard banking with Iran, the settlement was paid out in physical foreign currency. [

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Controversy surrounding the delivery
The initial $400 million delivery coincided with the release of four American prisoners held in Iran, prompting heavy criticism and accusations from lawmakers that the cash amounted to a ransom payment. While the Obama administration denied the initial payout was a "quid pro quo" for the prisoners, officials later acknowledged the cash was used as leverage until the Americans were safely allowed to depart

[OlDawg]

I still don't see an agreement being reached. I see Iran delaying, and the Administration not wanting to return to military action to force the issue, and have oil spike again before elections. I just see this festering until after midterms. Hopefully, I'm wrong.

I still believe the ceasefire was a tactical mistake.

[Porter]

1 hour ago, baddog said:

I can see you got a like from girlz for the personal attack. When you try to show Trump as the bad guy without explaining why Obama smuggled $400 million CASH to the Iranians, and his policies had no effect on their nuclear program shutdown, well then its’ simply lying by misinforming. Changing the subject and attacking instead of discussing your mistake is perfectly understandable. I also see you edited your post after mine. Good job.

Yes I edited the post to add to it. Lol

Irans debt to GDP ratio is about 37%
Americas debt to GDP ratio is 122%
The highest since WWII. We borrowed almost $200 billion to ensure Iran will get over 300 billion all while driving up interest and inflation. 

[baddog]

21 minutes ago, Porter said:

Yes I edited the post to add to it. Lol

Irans debt to GDP ratio is about 37%
Americas debt to GDP ratio is 122%
The highest since WWII. We borrowed almost $200 billion to ensure Iran will get over 300 billion all while driving up interest and inflation. 

You’re never satisfied so what’s the use? You cry about the length of the war and the costs. You said we should have finished the job. No telling how much longer that would have taken and how many more $billions it would have cost. For people who play both ends of the spectrum, it never ends.

[Reagan]

19 minutes ago, baddog said:

You’re never satisfied so what’s the use? You cry about the length of the war and the costs. You said we should have finished the job. No telling how much longer that would have taken and how many more $billions it would have cost. For people who play both ends of the spectrum, it never ends.

baddog, when some get in a bind, their TDS jumps into high gear!

[OlDawg]

26 minutes ago, Reagan said:

baddog, when some get in a bind, their TDS jumps into high gear!

I can't speak for anyone else, but you're not gonna change a leopard's spots just because you dye the rest of it's fur. The spots are still there. Iran is now basically a dictatorship run by an ideological military. The shared power structure that was with the mullahs is gone. As long as the IRGC exists, there will be no lasting change, or peace. They have to be eliminated one way or the other--either internally (preferable) or externally.

The Iranian nationalists are going to have to suffer to make it happen. It's past time to go after the dual use infrastructure. Enough with the surgical strikes. Load up some MOAB's and let them fall.

[DCT]

5 hours ago, Porter said:

No way to spin this:

Obama gave Iran $1.7B to stop making nukes. 

Trump 2.0 agreed to give them $300B to rebuild, and unfreeze between $12-24B of their frozen assets, to re-open the Strait.*

*Vance, Witcoff, Kusher are the architects.

Israel had best look out for itself.

The United States provided Israel with over $174B in total economic and military assistance since 1948.

"The United States, along with regional partners" is giving Iran $300B, plus unfreeze another $24B in assets ASAP.

If you're against giving Israel foreign aid you should be freaking out over what Iran is getting.

BDS is the norm for MAGA.  But, but! SMH

Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

[Reagan]

3 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

I can't speak for anyone else, but you're not gonna change a leopard's spots just because you dye the rest of it's fur. The spots are still there. Iran is now basically a dictatorship run by an ideological military. The shared power structure that was with the mullahs is gone. As long as the IRGC exists, there will be no lasting change, or peace. They have to be eliminated one way or the other--either internally (preferable) or externally.

The Iranian nationalists are going to have to suffer to make it happen. It's past time to go after the dual use infrastructure. Enough with the surgical strikes. Load up some MOAB's and let them fall.

I actually think Trump knows this.  He may have to play some politics but he's not a fool!  

[baddog]

44 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

Load up some MOAB's and let them fall.

I remember the MOABs from Afghanistan, collapsing the mountains on top of the caves. Its predecessor,the Daisy Cutter was also deployed. What an implosion. 

[Porter]

1 hour ago, Reagan said:

baddog, when some get in a bind, their TDS jumps into high gear!

Trump Disappointment Syndrome is wide spread. 
 

He’s being played like a fiddle by the Iranian Regime. Like Oldawg said they are just buying time. 

[OlDawg]

5 minutes ago, baddog said:

I remember the MOABs from Afghanistan, collapsing the mountains on top of the caves. Its predecessor,the Daisy Cutter was also deployed. What an implosion. 

Cheaper than drones. I think they’re only about $200k apiece. Just the psychological damage of 3 or 4 of them might do the trick.

[baddog]

9 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

Cheaper than drones. I think they’re only about $200k apiece. Just the psychological damage of 3 or 4 of them might do the trick.

This is from the Vietnam era, the Daisy Cutter. I’ll post the MOAB shortly.

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This is the MOAB.

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[little red]

17 hours ago, Separation Scientist said:

Ask the Iran military. You can find them at the bottom of the sea. 

Didn't we just bomb them again today?

[Porter]

3 hours ago, little red said:

Didn't we just bomb them again today?

We are currently in the middle of our 12th ceasefire so that can’t be possible. 
 

It’s not that hard to figure out that you can’t negotiate or sign peace deals with terrorist. 

[Separation Scientist]

For those who have difficulty understanding, re-read:

"The entire Iran military is gone, with the exception of a few random drones they still have hidden and even those have all but disappeared."

A single, random "pot shot" from a hidden drone every week or so is all they have left. Their military is destroyed. A single "pot shot" from a rogue small faction is NOT a cohesive military operation. Quit pulling for Iran and see the truth. Their military is destroyed.   

 

[DCT]

6 hours ago, Separation Scientist said:

For those who have difficulty understanding, re-read:

"The entire Iran military is gone, with the exception of a few random drones they still have hidden and even those have all but disappeared."

A single, random "pot shot" from a hidden drone every week or so is all they have left. Their military is destroyed. A single "pot shot" from a rogue small faction is NOT a cohesive military operation. Quit pulling for Iran and see the truth. Their military is destroyed.   

 

 Very nice financial packet for a country whose military has been destroyed.  USD 300 Billion for reconstruction and ECONOMIC development. They also fired on U.S. military sites. Quit toying with them and win the war.

He cant commit to a Trump health care bill or sign a landmark bipartisan housing bill.  I will give him credit for bailing out other countries.

[Porter]

6 hours ago, Separation Scientist said:

For those who have difficulty understanding, re-read:

"The entire Iran military is gone, with the exception of a few random drones they still have hidden and even those have all but disappeared."

A single, random "pot shot" from a hidden drone every week or so is all they have left. Their military is destroyed. A single "pot shot" from a rogue small faction is NOT a cohesive military operation. Quit pulling for Iran and see the truth. Their military is destroyed.   

 

Bruh….The oppressive regime is still in control. The same oppressive regime that slaughtered 40,000 of its own people. You know the people that Trump told to rise up because help was on the way but never showed up. No one is rooting for the Iran we’re are just living in reality. Trump was talked into a stupid war that he wasn’t willing to go all in on to remove the root of the problem. That problem will keep festering till the end of time. Those pot shots you are talking about are keeping the full free flow of the Strait. If I read correctly the other day we have 2 weeks worth of strategic oil reserves left. That’s why Trump wants a deal done quickly. He wasted at least 2 months by running his piehole too much and now he’s in a pickle. He should have went all in when he started this war and it would have probably already been over. He’s getting played like a Charlie Daniel’s Fiddle right now. 

 

[mat]

Trump under estimated Irans defiance and over estimated our ability to defeat. Irans radical Muslim beliefs will not allow them to give in and they believe it to be a great honor and rewarding to die for Allah. This is not political. It’s like negotiating with devil.