Setx fan Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 3:31 AM, CardinalBacker said: I really appreciate that you took the time to read that. Thanks. I just took from it that BT wasn’t the ex gf from two years ago, and was likely up to her eyeballs in the illegal activities. I knew a guy one time that called his Xanax as “footballs“ in passing and I mentioned to my gf that he calling his meds by their names... that was street slang. I kinda got the same impression when BT was talking about Big Doug being in the “trap.” It indicates that she’s a little more familiar with the drug enterprise than we would have preferred. The police didn’t know where they would find Jamarcus. He’d used BT’s address as his own within the last month... it was entirely possible that he (a dangerous subject, unlike BT) would be at her house. I’m aware that they had already arrested him a few hours earlier, so it’s possible that the police knocked at BT’s door before blasting in because they no longer felt that the danger was imminent. I’ll be honest... I believe the police version of “we announced” about as much as I believe the neighbor’s account of “they didn’t announce.” Kinda like when eyewitness swore that Michael Brown had his hands up when in reality that was just what they’d been told. I really wish we had definitive proof. I’m pretty sure that they were done executing warrants right about that time that the shootout happened. I mostly took from the report that Breonna wasn’t as far removed from the business as we were initially led to believe, and that including her place in the group of warrants was reasonable, not an error. I also saw where Louisville went on ahead and paid the family 12 milly before the investigation even wrapped up. That’s laughable. Expand 1. Of course BT was very familiar with the drug enterprise. She’d dated a mid level drug dealer. Not to mention anyone under 40 who hasn’t been living under a rock know’s what a trap is. That doesn’t make you a part of a drug operation. 2. The police knew exactly where they would find Jamarcus. They found him the same night they raided BT’s apartment and many more times before and after that. Each time they found him at the trap spot on Elliot Ave. He wasn’t hard to find at all. They knew he wasn’t at BT’s because they have made that clear in publicized statements. 3. Rather they knocked or not is not the issue. The issue is rather they announced themselves. Kenny had never been in trouble his whole life. I don’t think he would have willingly made his first criminal act attempted murder against law enforcement. It doesn’t work like that. He had no reason to shoot at cops had he known they were cops. They didn’t announce themselves. But I’m glad you admitted you just automatically took the cops word. 4. There’s no reason to raid BT’s apartment at all. There was no proof she was involved in criminal activity and there was no unusual traffic or anything like that going on at her address. So why would they raid her apartment and not Muhammad Ali Blvd? 5. Good for her family on the settlement but that doesn’t fix reckless police work. Quote
Setx fan Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 2:30 AM, stevenash said: When these interactions occurred, did you ever face a gun held by those with whom you interacted? Expand Yea, 6 or 7 years ago Quote
SmashMouth Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 2:21 AM, Setx fan said: I’ve interacted with these here in the U.S. Expand On 9/16/2020 at 5:43 PM, Setx fan said: Yea, 6 or 7 years ago Expand Did you comply with their instructions or did you try to fight, flee or resist? Quote
Setx fan Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 5:55 PM, SmashMouth said: Did you comply with their instructions or did you try to fight, flee or resist? Expand It wasn’t an arrest. He was talking to me from about 20 or 30 yards away and I was having a little trouble hearing him so I took a few steps toward him in order to hear better and he drew down Quote
SmashMouth Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:03 PM, Setx fan said: It wasn’t an arrest. He was talking to me from about 20 or 30 yards away and I was having a little trouble hearing him so I took a few steps toward him in order to hear better and he drew down Expand Did you speed up towards him when he drew for protection or did you stop? Quote
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stevenash Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:03 PM, Setx fan said: It wasn’t an arrest. He was talking to me from about 20 or 30 yards away and I was having a little trouble hearing him so I took a few steps toward him in order to hear better and he drew down Expand And what happened when he "drew down"? Quote
Setx fan Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:05 PM, SmashMouth said: Did you speed up towards him when he drew for protection or did you stop? Expand I took a step or 2 in a none threatening manner and he drew down. I almost lost my life while trying to be respectful to a cop who was harassing me for no good reason. Quote
Setx fan Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:09 PM, stevenash said: And what happened when he "drew down"? Expand I stood there confused. Quote
SmashMouth Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:09 PM, Setx fan said: I took a step or 2 in a none threatening manner and he drew down. I almost lost my life while trying to be respectful to a cop who was harassing me for no good reason. Expand After that did you stop? And when you said you almost lost your life, did he fire and miss? And when you said you took a few steps in a none threatening manner, do you think he felt they were non-threatening? You should put yourself in his shoes. And quit exaggerating. Your life was never in danger. Setx fan 1 Quote
stevenash Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:13 PM, Setx fan said: I stood there confused. Expand You stood there confused? How did the confusion get resolved? Quote
Setx fan Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:21 PM, stevenash said: You stood there confused? How did the confusion get resolved? Expand Never did Quote
baddog Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 I think you are still confused. I’d love to hear the cop’s story. Setx fan 1 Quote
stevenash Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:27 PM, Setx fan said: Never did Expand Did you walk away without repercussions or are you still standing there? Quote
stevenash Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:09 PM, Setx fan said: I took a step or 2 in a none threatening manner and he drew down. I almost lost my life while trying to be respectful to a cop who was harassing me for no good reason. Expand How do you know if he was harrassing you if you couldnt hear him? How did you already know it was for no good reason? Quote
Setx fan Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:32 PM, stevenash said: How do you know if he was harrassing you if you couldnt hear him? How did you already know it was for no good reason? Expand On 9/16/2020 at 6:30 PM, stevenash said: Did you walk away without repercussions or are you still standing there? Expand Repercussions for what? Quote
Setx fan Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:32 PM, stevenash said: How do you know if he was harrassing you if you couldnt hear him? How did you already know it was for no good reason? Expand I hadn’t done anything Quote
Setx fan Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:29 PM, baddog said: I think you are still confused. I’d love to hear the cop’s story. Expand I’m sure you would Quote
CardinalBacker Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 5:42 PM, Setx fan said: 1. Of course BT was very familiar with the drug enterprise. She’d dated a mid level drug dealer. Not to mention anyone under 40 who hasn’t been living under a rock know’s what a trap is. That doesn’t make you a part of a drug operation. 2. The police knew exactly where they would find Jamarcus. They found him the same night they raided BT’s apartment and many more times before and after that. Each time they found him at the trap spot on Elliot Ave. He wasn’t hard to find at all. They knew he wasn’t at BT’s because they have made that clear in publicized statements. 3. Rather they knocked or not is not the issue. The issue is rather they announced themselves. Kenny had never been in trouble his whole life. I don’t think he would have willingly made his first criminal act attempted murder against law enforcement. It doesn’t work like that. He had no reason to shoot at cops had he known they were cops. They didn’t announce themselves. But I’m glad you admitted you just automatically took the cops word. 4. There’s no reason to raid BT’s apartment at all. There was no proof she was involved in criminal activity and there was no unusual traffic or anything like that going on at her address. So why would they raid her apartment and not Muhammad Ali Blvd? 5. Good for her family on the settlement but that doesn’t fix reckless police work. Expand When Jamarcus listed Breonna's place as his home address as recently as February, he guaranteed that the police would go there if they hadn't already found him. Stop making excuses. Even Jamarcus and the rest of his gang understood the situation for what it was. Kenny got Breonna killed. Their words, not mine. Actually, Jamarcus said "If I'd been there that night, she'd still be alive because I don't shoot at cops." Boom. Quote
baddog Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:36 PM, Setx fan said: I hadn’t done anything Expand I’m a white guy and if I venture into a predominantly black party of town, late at night, where there is a high incidence of drug selling, cops would pull me over because I look suspicious. Really, that’s all they need. I didn’t do anything. I was just riding around killing time. That’s why I would like to hear his side. Quote
Setx fan Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 7:06 PM, CardinalBacker said: When Jamarcus listed Breonna's place as his home address as recently as February, he guaranteed that the police would go there if they hadn't already found him. Stop making excuses. Even Jamarcus and the rest of his gang understood the situation for what it was. Kenny got Breonna killed. Their words, not mine. Actually, Jamarcus said "If I'd been there that night, she'd still be alive because I don't shoot at cops." Boom. Expand Am I making excuses or are you making excuses for the cops? They knew Jamarcus didn’t live there and they definitely knew he wasn’t there on that night. It’s all on record. In fact records initially showed they had already arrested him on Elliot Ave before they raided BT’s apartment. They later changed it to make it appear it all happened at the same time. Of course Marcus wouldn’t shoot at the cops because he would be expecting them. Kenny didn’t live a life of crime so he wasn’t expecting cops to be kicking down his door at midnight. He suspected it was more likely to be robbers than cops. That’s why he shot at the cops in “plain clothes” who didn’t announce themselves. Quote
stevenash Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:36 PM, Setx fan said: I’m sure you would Expand What is wrong with that. Shouldnt both sides of a story be heard? Quote
stevenash Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 6:36 PM, Setx fan said: I hadn’t done anything Expand You may have not done anything. He may have needed information from you regarding a nearby incident. Sounds to me like you "assumed" he was harrassing you and that is something you learned at home and probably will teach at home. Very unhealthy. Just as it is wrong for a policeman to assume that every black person is a criminal, it is equally wrong for a black person to assume a police officer seeks an opportunity to harm said black person. Quote
SmashMouth Posted September 16, 2020 Report Posted September 16, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 7:23 PM, Setx fan said: Am I making excuses or are you making excuses for the cops? They knew Jamarcus didn’t live there and they definitely knew he wasn’t there on that night. It’s all on record. In fact records initially showed they had already arrested him on Elliot Ave before they raided BT’s apartment. They later changed it to make it appear it all happened at the same time. Of course Marcus wouldn’t shoot at the cops because he would be expecting them. Kenny didn’t live a life of crime so he wasn’t expecting cops to be kicking down his door at midnight. He suspected it was more likely to be robbers than cops. That’s why he shot at the cops in “plain clothes” who didn’t announce themselves. Expand When you associate with dangerous felons there are inherent risks. Don’t associate with felons. Quote
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