thetragichippy

Yes, I can read (and pretty well I might add) and I can also speak calmly. Speaking in caps is yelling on a forum. So, don't yell.....discuss

It's not their fault? Who runs the budget? If academics are such a priority then why have we been low performing for so long? We do nothing to change this but talk about how it needs to change. No change in administration at the schools that are low performing. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different results. You can write in caps all you want to it doesn't change my oipinion or make yours any more meaningful. I agree that athletics (we are talking about all UIL activities) are a bonus at a school. But drop athletics at WOS and the other UIL activities and see how many kids you have enrolled at WOS. No need to get angry. If you are an adult you should be able to disagree about something yet still be civil. ;D TD and I have had our discussions on this. When I started posting on this thread I believed and still do that the parents need to step in. What I have learned from LISTENING is that some communities are different. The thing that has shifted my opionion the most is the way the school board has handled this. I believe they were feeding information as THEY felt was needed versus putting it all out there at one time. This gave the community not enough information to make a decision about the bond that was passed. lastly and to TD's point................."why ya want to get all angry"????? This is a discussion.

I would think if there is a curfew in effect, the school would have to have events within the legal time for the kids to be out. Can you imagine having a dance that ends at midnight and kids that live near the school being arrested as they walk home?

This is really not a lesson to teach your kids, but if all the students effected got sick the rest of the week and couldn't make class.............I'm pretty sure they get money for attendance. just a thought >

I really thought this would go the other way..........How many citizens showed up?

OK, your starting to sound like some people from another school district! Some people want to see the list and according to law, they have to provide it. It's as simple as that. I would like to see it to see what choices the school has. I have no "hidden agenda" nor do I want to "blast" people in public. There hasn't been discussions, it's been an all out war against PNG because of media people on here. I mean look at how many threads have been made over this. It's ridiculous, and Coop slipping in enterprise stuff about giving them heck, they desrve it. What's up with that. I can't remember the last time that ya'll bashed another school this bad on a topic. It's insane. This is a public forum and if something is posted on it expect some opinion's. This forum is for discussion. That's what makes America Great!! P.S. I even get along with TD! Lumberton got bashed pretty bad in the youth forum a few months ago. WO-S is always getting bashed. Don't loose any sleep over it!

OK, your starting to sound like some people from another school district! Some people want to see the list and according to law, they have to provide it. It's as simple as that. I would like to see it to see what choices the school has. I have no "hidden agenda" nor do I want to "blast" people in public. This is a public forum and if something is posted on it expect some opinion's. This forum is for discussion. That's what makes America Great!! P.S. I even get along with TD!

They don't bus over there either. I was not intending that statement as a result of the busing, but as a result of the taks issue! I GAURANTEE you can't find five school districts in the entire state that have this requirement! I don't think you can find one. Someone looked into it and unless they are wrong it's unconstitutional. Unconstitutional to set school policy? I'm only passing along information. That was the opinion. We didn't just get the information from a guy off the street either. Some policies are made by people that are in higher positions than the school board. TD, I've googled all morning and cannot find anywhere that states anything unconstitutional about TAKS testing and UIL competition. I know people think this is a non-issue, but why would the board bring this up if not serious? Are they that ignorant to know it would add insult to injury after the buss ordeal? It was an idea that came from a board member. An email was sent to the Super and other board members making the TAKS statement. This is the same guy that stated in the last board meeting, that "maybe we should just do away with athletics completely at WOS". The guy said this in a room full of people that were there to support athletics. Why? I wish I knew. Why the email? I wish I knew. Maybe the guy used unconstitutional as a figure of speech. I'm not real sure. I took it for what I was told. I really think it's a non issue. All I know is the squeaky wheel gets the grease. If your squeaking then you better make sure your "house" is in order. I'm not real sure what are why all of this is taking place. I know our budget is over 23 million and we have spent more than $25000 worth of time on this subject. Good Luck my friend! Coaching my sons basketball team tonight or I would be there! Hopefully the media and everyone in WO-S will be there to support the kids.

wow, all that and not even a copy and paste. thanks for your dedication jackhammer. I now realize there is a clock ticking. Reminds me of an old STYX song...........anyone remember it?

They don't bus over there either. I was not intending that statement as a result of the busing, but as a result of the taks issue! I GAURANTEE you can't find five school districts in the entire state that have this requirement! I don't think you can find one. Someone looked into it and unless they are wrong it's unconstitutional. Unconstitutional to set school policy? I'm only passing along information. That was the opinion. We didn't just get the information from a guy off the street either. Some policies are made by people that are in higher positions than the school board. TD, I've googled all morning and cannot find anywhere that states anything unconstitutional about TAKS testing and UIL competition. I know people think this is a non-issue, but why would the board bring this up if not serious? Are they that ignorant to know it would add insult to injury after the buss ordeal?

Now the passing of TAKS to play a sport????? Some of these kids are beating their brains out to pass math or science as it is now. Some seniors come down to their last chance in April or take the test in the Summer to finally get their diploma. The TAKS is bad enough as it is now. Don't punish a kid because he can't pass the math portion of the TAKS. It is bad enough they can't get a diploma without the TAKS. Respectfully, shouldn't there be some sort of academic assessment for graduation? We did not have TAKS when I graduated, but we had to achieve certain credits to graduate. I hated Chemistry and to this date do not know how I passed. But if the kids are having to beat their brains out to pass math or science, maybe that extra time in sports should be applied to studying. :-\

So if I get this straight, currently, if you maintain a "c" average during school you can participate in extracurricular activities. At the end of the year if you fail the TAKS test, you repeat the same grade. While repeating the same grade if you maintain a "c" average you can participate in extracurricular activities. If they make them have to pass TAKS, that means the student could be out an entire year. Do other Districts already have this in place?

Well, never intended to attack you. Just calling out points as I see them. I'm not getting defensive, just backing up my post when needed. Profiling is a different subject that I would not dare bring up here. Honestly, I think there may (and I'm using may VERY conservatively) be a few out there that are haters of WO-S. But at the end of the day, I think that 99.9% of the community wants to see every school district be successful. Don't let one or two people get ya down. If the buses don't run..........WO-S will figure out a way to be successful. I have no doubt! It may be tough, but it will all come together.

Where do I start.......First, this is a public forum, so if you want to speak to one poster you have two options.....email or private message. If you choose to post on the PUBLIC forum you open yourself up to replies to your post. Second......I guess because I have seen "Hater" so many times from WO-S concerning this buss program it kinda sticks in your head. Then I see two post saying the same thing.........I would of apologized BUT see my third comment. Third......You stated, "But your reaction to a post that was not directed to you leaves little doubt as to where you stand". Where I stand?? Why do you think I'm taking sides? Is it because I'm a "hater"? I hope not because that might put you in that bucket I was talking about earlier. Finally.........I stated very clearly in all my post that I hope the program continues. It's for a few reasons. The main is the kids. The second reason is I don't want to hear excuses if you guys loose a game next year :) .

Why do Some WO-S posters think We (we = anyone not WO-S) have an underlying agenda to sabotage the football program? This is WO-S's mess, not anyone Else's. We did not take your buses away.....YOU took your buses away. In all the post that I have read, there is one common factor...........No one wants to punish the kids. Everyone either SUPPORTS the school boards decision or disagrees. No matter what side we take, it was WO-S that gave us either option. The SCHOOLBOARD made the decision to take away the buses and obviously supports their own decision. So, using the logic of "thebigswitch" and "speveto" who states everyone who wants the buses gone are haters, maybe you should focus your anger and concern to your own schoolboard? They must be "haters" as well. I can only speak for myself but I don't think everyone that disagrees with WOS is a hater. I do think that Aggies is a hater. He runs his mouth about something he knows nothing about just to stir the pot. I would expect more out of a moderator much less an Administrator. I think you have made your points and your opinions and we have agreed on somethings and disagreed on others but it has been civil between the two of us. Aggies just tries to stir the pot. Td, You are a stand up guy. The post AggiesAreWe made about WO-S posting I think was a joke gone bad. I know we disagree on that. We have agreed and disagreed on somethings, but that's what debate is all about. Keep up your post and your strong opinions!! You do look at both sides of the fence and I respect that!!

Why do Some WO-S posters think We (we = anyone not WO-S) have an underlying agenda to sabotage the football program? This is WO-S's mess, not anyone Else's. We did not take your buses away.....YOU took your buses away. In all the post that I have read, there is one common factor...........No one wants to punish the kids. Everyone either SUPPORTS the school boards decision or disagrees. No matter what side we take, it was WO-S that gave us either option. The SCHOOLBOARD made the decision to take away the buses and obviously supports their own decision. So, using the logic of "thebigswitch" and "speveto" who states everyone who wants the buses gone are haters, maybe you should focus your anger and concern to your own schoolboard? They must be "haters" as well.

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Very well said. I agree with you. The kids should not suffer and if it keeps a few on the straight and narrow its worth every penny. I just wish tax payers didn't have to pay for parents that don't care.

It takes a concerned parent to raise a child! The parent has to do their JOB! If they can't, then they shouldn't be parents! The old addage I go by is "take care of your kid"! That's how I feel about that subject. Now,back to the subject of the buses...........It would be a great program if they can approve it and afford it. I REALLY hope they keep them running! If they can't, maybe, just maybe someone should try to get the parents involved.

Thanks. But if someone was let go without being told why, they can still file suit against the company for wrongful termination, right? It may be legal, but it doesn't seem to me that the company would want the immediate court costs. Especially in this sue-happy day and time. Was in HR as well.......Texas is a right-to-work state. This means that under the Texas Labor Code, a person cannot be denied employment because of membership or non-membership in a labor union or other labor organization. Texas is an at-will state, an employer can fire an employee with or without cause. The only exception would be if you are fired for an illegal reason. (Because of your gender, religion, political affiliation, age, etc). Most companies follow policies that are fair so that someone is not fired for an illegal reason.

After reading your post on both WO-S threads, you seem to have the "poor me" attitude. If the school board cannot afford public transportation, it will be left to the parents. That's a fact you cant argue. I posted a message a few months ago.....after my divorce, quit a job that required nights and got a day job Mon - Fri with a serious enough paycut to have to sell my house. The benefit is I have 1/2 custody of my child and I'm off when hes not in school. We can't do as much financially, but we got each other. I'm not super dad, have made my mistakes, but at least I know what is important....taking care of my kid! There are a lot of national problems, rape, robbery, murder, etc.... We don't have to let them effect our communities. I agree and respect several WO-S posters, they all seem like great people. My son plays youth football and WO-S has some great athlete's. The parents that have the issues with the transportation needs to make some noise at the schoolboard. Its going to take more than 20 people. Mr. Chippy, You'll have to find someone else to throw that title on because I'm far from the "poor me"-type. My point is transportation is vital to many whose parents aren't there for whatever reason to get their kids for whatever reason. I can tell you that my kids probably wouldn't have been able to been active in any UIL events that they were involved in if it had not been for transportation at certain points in their school years. Honey, there is nothing pitiful about me or anything that has happened. I am just stating the facts and in a perfect world, all parents would be involved in their kids' lives more. Kudos to you for doing what you had to do as a parents and feel fortunate that you were able to do those things because some people just cannot do it or will not do it. No pity expected or accepted. Nice try though!!! ;) Mrs. Stang, You may have missed my point. All parents must set priorities as to what is important to them. Everyone seems to be upset with the school board for taking away a program that is not a requirement of the school. They do not have to transport kids to and from optional events. While I do think it is a worthwile program, it is not required, nor should it be expected from the school. What should be expected is the parents is to be involved in their child's life. I'm not asking the parents to do anything I have not done or the majority of most parents have not done. To just say "its a nation problem" and expect the school district to continue to do something they say they cannot afford is not solving any problem. If the root cause is the parents, then some energy should be spent trying to fix that issue. I applaud you for bringing kids home and taking up the slack of some parents, but is that really your responsibility? I know I have a hard enough time taking care of my one child. So, I will say again, Good Luck at the next meeting, I hope the entire town shows up. I hope the bus program continues to run for the sake of the kids. I also hope this is a wake up call and that something can be done to get parents more involved with their children! P.S. Mrs. Stang you sound like a strong women and a responsible mother!

You see, that is why WO-S is so different and that is what many of the WO-S posters have been trying to say. You just proved the point. Many of the parents could care less about their kids. Why punish the kids because of this? I didn't prove a point, I stated the facts. I never mentioned punishing the kids. However, since you bring it up; If the parents are really that bad, don't you think you have a bigger issue than football? If I had to choose between parenting my kid and making sure he gets a ride to practice.......well, the answer is obvious. I go back to my last post........get more than 20 people at the next meeting. If they can't find a ride with this much notice........well, that's a different subject.

Posted by Stang4life: After reading your post on both WO-S threads, you seem to have the "poor me" attitude. If the school board cannot afford public transportation, it will be left to the parents. That's a fact you cant argue. I posted a message a few months ago.....after my divorce, quit a job that required nights and got a day job Mon - Fri with a serious enough paycut to have to sell my house. The benefit is I have 1/2 custody of my child and I'm off when hes not in school. We can't do as much financially, but we got each other. I'm not super dad, have made my mistakes, but at least I know what is important....taking care of my kid! There are a lot of national problems, rape, robbery, murder, etc.... We don't have to let them effect our communities. I agree and respect several WO-S posters, they all seem like great people. My son plays youth football and WO-S has some great athlete's. The parents that have the issues with the transportation needs to make some noise at the schoolboard. Its going to take more than 20 people.

I agree with you on the fact the players should be able to leave when they want. I completely disagree with your method of communication. Personally insulting someone that disagrees with you shows lack of character. I'm sure your a fine person, but you should think about how you communicate.

ITS ALL GOOD!! :)