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[quote name="DogOne" post="749373" timestamp="1264449877"] "One thing you know for sure is a playoff win is a well earned point" What if that 1st round playoff win comes against the 4th place team from one of the "weaker districts"?      [/quote] Still worth more than a regular season win.

I figured the real measure of success is playoff wins. Some teams that are in weaker districts would mop up each year on easy regular season points, but bow out in the first or second round each year and look like great programs, when in fact they are just good programs. If two teams in a district both make the playoffs. Team A goes 6-4 reg season, but goes five deep in the playoffs Team B goes 10-0 reg season, But looses in the 1st round Who had the better program? Say team A played a tuff non-district going 1-3 and went 5-1 in district and team B played a buch of pushovers predistrict. One thing you know for sure is a playoff win is a well earned point.

Very proud of all the girls. That wake up call hopefully set the tone for the rest of the spring. Love the way the responded. They all hit lights out in those last two games!

[quote name="ForeverADog" post="747909" timestamp="1264176945"] 7-9 should get them in the tourney. Plus I think they can beat Texas State and Northwestern State on the road. They should be close to 7-9 in SLC play. [/quote] They will not beat TS on the road. To beat TS the Cards will have to outgun them and if this season has taught me anything it is that they aint outgunning anybody on the road. NWS on the road I could see.

Congrats to the BH faithful...While I have my doubts about BH winning with the BONE, I have to admit Gage has a great track record.

[quote name="playdefense" post="745050" timestamp="1263690900"] Watch - A relative unknown will get the Barbers Hill job.  Maybe someone with a spouse in the district or some sort of connection.  Seems like the "big" names do not want it and they will go with someone that is not seen as in the hunt and then if that does not work they will get a chance to hire the big name to reshape the program. [/quote] Good Call!!! What's your real name "Nate Kedding??" ;D

[quote name="T-daddy" post="747891" timestamp="1264174702"] good work and thanks for your time badndn... [/quote] No problem. It was actually kinda cool going through and placing real meaningful values on wins and playoff appearances. We all talk alot about our favorite programs, but most of us look at what have you done for me lately and tend to forget about the recent history. As a PNG fan I thought before I did the stats that PNG was a top program in the GT over the past decade, but most of that was based on last year and that feeling we all have about the future. The numbers don't lie...They tell me I was wrong! Kinda gives some perspective into the Burnett era since D. Long left (1999 which was one year before the decade!). As an overall program I think the ammenaties, current staff and results from the Varsity and JV last year (21-1) at PNG make it a potential top program, but time will tell.

Nothing wrong at all with your statement Coop. As seen the LU Predictions thread I bumped from pre-season, I picked LU to go 16-16 and 6-10. So if they go 8-8 I would consider it a big success this year. Problem is I don't see them winning on the road and several of the remaining home games are against tough teams that the Cards will have a lot of trouble with. Remember folks, this team has 2 SLC wins, both at home, both close, close games against bad teams! If you can't put away the bad teams at home...What do you really think they will do against the good teams at home? The future looks bright. Love the impact that Minor has had on this team as a true Fish(could be that lock down perimeter defender LU hasn't had in a long time). And Brown getting meaningful PT is also great. Getting Miles off the point next year will be a plus for Miles and LU. He could be a league MVP before he is done and Harper will put up the numbers Nabors is on the boards and in points, and maybe more because he is developing a legit outside game. Also think Lopez needs to get more PT. He handles the ball well, is super fast, and seems to be the only PG we have that has no problem making the entry pass to the post. Which has driven me insane for several years now. We have had SG at PG the last 4 years and they appeared to be hesitant to make the pass down low. Lopez sees the court well and gets the ball in to the post before the defense reacts. he also doesn't appear to be lacking in confidence in making the pass. Tell me I am not alone in this thinking.

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I am assuming at 6'7" 275 lbs he would switch to DE if he was athletic enough to play TE. Not a lot of need for a big, big TE in the Spread. Really need a H Back type 6'3" 235 range with great hands.

Team of the decade!!! Katy Tigers 83.88 Points 88% winning percent, 45 playoff wins, 6 title appearances and 4 State Championships. Close second Celina 78.90 points 90% winning percent, 40 playoff wins, 6 title appearances and 4 State Championships. (interesting side note is that Celina won state titles in 1999 & 98 as well) And in third Southlake Carroll 76.88 Points 88% winning percent, 41 playoff wins, 5 title appearances and 4 State Championships. And for good measure Lake Travis after starting out the decade (6-6) (1-9) (0-10) (3-7) finished strong going (15-1) (16-0) (15-0) with 19 playoff wins and 3 State titles in 3 appearances for a total of 43.67 points.

[quote name="BrenhamFan" post="746385" timestamp="1263941989"] [quote author=badndn link=topic=64850.msg745497#msg745497 date=1263772559] I did some research and over the past ten years I figured win% (total % .80 being .8 pts), Playoff wins (1 pt per), State Title Apearences (3 pts per), State Championships (5 pts per). Results below speak for themselves.              Points 1 Newton 36.80 2 Dayton 21.73 3 KVille 21.68 4 Jasper 19.63 5 WOS 15.82 6 Ned 12.65 7 Central 9.59 8 BC 8.61 9 WBrook 8.50 10 BHill 5.74 11 EC 4.71 12 PNG 4.61 13 Sils 3.48 14 PAM 2.51 15 Lum 2.48 [/quote] Great idea, with the point system.  I know Brenham isn't setx, but where exactly would we fall in your point system?  (I wanna make sure I don't miss anything) [/quote] Brenham would have been second on this list with 27.77 points. (6-5) (11-2) (14-2) (5-5) (9-2) (14-1) (11-2) (8-3) (8-5) (13-3) 21 playoff wins and 2 title appearances. Just behind Newton who had 25 playoff wins, 2 title appearances and one State Championship.

[quote name="WildcatGRAD81" post="746354" timestamp="1263938246"] This is cool stuff.... Does anyone have Kvilles resume for the last 10 years? And it would realy be interesting to see what Alverez has done sence he took over. [/quote] KVille (3-7) (4-6) (7-4) (6-4) (10-3) (8-4) (8-4) (11-2) (13-1) (12-3)

[quote name="D3zii" post="745708" timestamp="1263844881"] Robert Mitchell.. QB for Central.. Remeber that Name,, [/quote] Was he the JV QB against PNG at the end of the year? I saw him against FWood

[quote name="SgtRey" post="745618" timestamp="1263826235"] [quote author=speedkills link=topic=64485.msg741630#msg741630 date=1263099949] Honestly I think Ford is the best player on the list for the offensive players. But I say Jeremy Johnson or the west brook guy wins it JMO. [/quote] what about defense, everyone is talking about offense [/quote] I say Jacoby Hale, but I didn't see Garrett or Irvin. Hale was tremendous. A game changer.

[quote name="bassman" post="745101" timestamp="1263697420"] When a coach decides to shop around for jobs that he has no intention of taking, whether a school district approaches you or not, to get a raise from you current school,[b] is no longer in it for the kids[/b]. IMO [/quote] He is in it for the KIDS...His KIDS. Congrats to him.

Good move. Being an OC and learning the college game before becoming a HC! worked for Art Briles. The opposite hasn't worked out so well for Dodge at UNT who went straight from HS to UNT as HC.

[quote name="Bucof2010" post="745570" timestamp="1263789632"] Very nice ndn [b]I think some of you are using only the past year or two[/b][/quote] Thanks, Remember the bold quote! [quote author=Bucof2010 link=topic=64850.msg745570#msg745570 date=1263789632] 1. WOS in the past ten years no one has consistently beat them one person said they'll always go three or four rounds deep and lose I'd say that's pretty good THE MIDGET RB WILL SURPRISE NEUTRAL[/quote] WOS got 8 points from the 2000 state title run 10 years ago. That's gone next year. Without it WOS would have had 7 points and finished 10th on this list. Interesting!!!! Also WOS had the highest Win %, but just didn't get it done in the playoffs over the past 9 years (except 2005). I think this says more about the 3A district then it does WOS. [quote author=Bucof2010 link=topic=64850.msg745570#msg745570 date=1263789632] 2. Newton just as successful as WOS but smaller classification is deciding factor and head to head I'm guessing goes to WOS NEVER CHANGE[/quote] Newton has two state title runs and is the only team in the area with an actuall State Championship. Head to Head vs WOS might not go to WOS (ask Kirbyville  ;)). Newton is head and shoulders above the pack right now over the past 10 years. [quote author=Bucof2010 link=topic=64850.msg745570#msg745570 date=1263789632] 3. Dayton pretty much owns two 4a districts not as consistent playoff success as the two prior. NEUTRAL[/quote] Picked up a lot of points the past three years and looks to get stronger! [quote author=Bucof2010 link=topic=64850.msg745570#msg745570 date=1263789632] 4. Central guess they're the perrenial sleeper cause they get little respect on here UP[/quote] Central was aided big time by the playoff runs from the past few years. But they only have 1 ten win seasons in the past ten years. Moving up lately. [quote author=Bucof2010 link=topic=64850.msg745570#msg745570 date=1263789632] 5.  Silsbee only team that interests us when they play WOS in district UP[/quote] (4-6) (5-6) (1-9) (0-10) (9-1) (4-5) (9-3) (4-6) (6-5) (7-5) records over 10 years. That and only 3 playoff wins. Two of those in one year And only one with JJ. Remember the quote at the top!

I did some research and over the past ten years I figured win% (total % .80 being .8 pts), Playoff wins (1 pt per), State Title Apearences (3 pts per), State Championships (5 pts per). Results below speak for themselves.             Points 1 Newton 36.80 2 Dayton 21.73 3 KVille 21.68 4 Jasper 19.63 5 WOS 15.82 6 Ned 12.65 7 Central 9.59 8 BC 8.61 9 WBrook 8.50 10 BHill 5.74 11 EC 4.71 12 PNG 4.61 13 Sils 3.48 14 PAM 2.51 15 Lum 2.48

WOS #1?? Have you been paying attention? #1 Dayton - Model of consistency including State title game last year. [b]Neutral[/b] #2 Newton - Allways a threat in November. [b]Neutral[/b] #3 Kirbyville - With the bulk of that in the past four years (Two state title appearences does that for ya) [b]Rise[/b] #4 Jasper - How quickly you folks forget the great State title game against Gilmer a few years back. [b]Rise[/b] #5 WOS - And dropping. [b]Fall[/b] #6 Nederland - Great area team, just haven't made it all the way.[b]Neutral[/b] #7 West Brook - Moving up with the past five years. Previous five not so much! [b]Rise[/b] #8 East Chambers - The Thomas era was pretty good.[b]Fall[/b] #9 PNG - Up and down the past 10, but there were a few DC's and two and three round seasons and the future looks good. [b]Rise[/b] #10 Silsbee - Up and down. [b]Rise[/b]

The Cards again shot well in the second half (well over 50%), but the reason this one was close was because Mcneese shot 57% for the game. LU gives up way to many easy layups! Allways have since Tubbs then Roc.

[quote name="lu cards" post="744476" timestamp="1263589948"] best to get rid his a s s  now before the season gets close.would hate to lose him [b]but png head coach would be a good fit at lamar[/b]. [/quote] It would be a substantial paycut!

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[quote name="LAZEEK" post="743992" timestamp="1263501595"] There is NO question that ROC has had a better record than the previous LU coaches........is it really about record though???  I want regular season conference titles and conference tourney titles which will get you into the NCAA tournament!!!!!  Who cares if you go 19-11 and lose first round of the SLC tourney!!! [/quote] Conference Tourney titles are really in the grand scheme of things the only thing that you will remember. I mean if you ask any basketball fan but non-LU fan and many LU fans when the last time LU won the conference title, they probably couldn't tell you (2008), but most could tell you that the 2000 team went to the NCAA. Theoretically the better your record the better your shot at making the dance, but look around the country. Very few, if any single bid conferences that get the bid via a tournament, end up sending the same team year in and year out. And at least half of them don't send there regular season champ!

[quote name="LAZEEK" post="743907" timestamp="1263493371"] I don't really think that the talent is terrble at Lamar...........I think that the coaching is very suspect!!!! [/quote] Now that we can agree upon. I thought Skelton was a big plus when he was here as an X's and O's guy! Roc has gotten better, but still has a ways to go. This current team is talented, but young. If they do not produce when Harper and Miles are Srs and Minor, Brown, Wesley and co ar Jrs then maybe it's time to call it quits. But statistics (including current year) say that Roc has won more than any other coach at LU since Abetamarco left 22 years ago (and he only had 2 years, one of which was really good). Roc's teams have also won conference games at a better percentage than any coach since Foster (by a pretty good margin) this includes Abetamarco. Remember what they say..."You are what your record says you are!"