sfasuljack

Tough question on how much of each. If I had the perfect answer, I'd be makin alot more money coaching:). Just feel they're both extremely important. Not a one or the other kinda guy. It's the AD that sets the direction of the program. They are supposed to look at what's best for all sports and kids. That's the ideal. But we all know there are good ones and bad ones, just like any other profession.

[quote name="speechless" post="955732" timestamp="1296145138"] summer games dont count is the easy answer to those complaints if your sport or athlete requires strength gain in order to be successful and you have communicated that to the athlete then perhaps there are larger issues with that athlete no one is saying only play one sport just saying that the coach hired to be the head coach of the sport should be able to decide when and how to lift the kids during that sport so that it best fits the schedule he/she thinks will benefit their team the most also, the million dollar question is: is it the same across the board for all sports?  you and i both know the answer to that  guarantee that the lifting becomes much more important and stringent once football season is over [/quote] What games do count? Just varsity? How bout sub varsity? Does Jr. High count? Let me know so I can tell parents. In my experience, most parents think they all count so they don't want little johnny to ever lift on any kind of game day. And since they're always 'in season' they shouldn't lift heavy, right?;) And which sports exactly don't require strength to be successful? Even better, in which sport is the weaker skilled player better than the stronger skilled player in that sport? Gonna be long list I'm sure:)

[quote name="stevenash" post="955719" timestamp="1296144116"] [quote author=sfasuljack link=topic=79171.msg955715#msg955715 date=1296143398] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=79171.msg955709#msg955709 date=1296142718] [quote author=sfasuljack link=topic=79171.msg955702#msg955702 date=1296141793] [/quote] I think it is a mistake to believe what benefits the linebacker has  equal benefits to the first baseman. [/quote] What happens when the LB is the 1st baseman... and TE... and 800m runner? Especially at 3A and below, multi-sport athletes are critical to every programs success. And I would argue that squats, power cleans, bench, incline & dead lift are critical to building the explosion needed to be a successful point guard, QB, lineman, golfer, volleyball player, etc... Durants a great player. Could he be even better if he were stronger? Could he even jump higher & run faster with additional stength development? I say yes. Its not skill OR strength development, the ideal is BOTH. Would Dwight Howard be as good with Durants strength? Besides, we're talking HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETES, not professionals. And most good high school athletes compete in multiple sports and hence are 'in season' year round. So, a healthy dose of some type of base level/general weight program is needed that has benefits to all sports. My vote goes to the 5 lifts I mentioned above. [/quote]  Sorry but I want my point guard to be proficient at shooting, dribbling, and passing.  If he can do those three things at a very high level, I will not be concerned about his explosiveness.  Sure, it would be nice to have that explosiveness, but ABSOLUTELY NOT at the expense of developing the other three.  While I must admit that Howards strength contributes materially to his success, you must admit that Durants skills more than offset his lack of strength.  And I STILL have not heard anybody tell me why the coach for each sport is not equally and/or better qualified to prescribe and supervise his players lifting regimen as opposed instead of the football coach. [/quote] I want my PG to be proicient as those as well and be able fly all over the court and jump outta the gym and be physical because my PG must play defense. And just to play devil's advocate... i'm betting my more explosive athlete will defend ur 'skill only' guy nicely. But again, it's not either/or, you need both IMO. [/quote]  Bet all you wish, but Kevin Durant and Paul Pierce are going to score against Ron Artest whenever they want to.  I am not advocating not having weight training.   Please answer my oft asked question (which everyone conveniently ignores) Why is the football coach better qualified to know what strength training and what volume of same will benefit the basketball player than the basketball coach? [/quote] The AD sets the basic strength program and it should include lifts that benefit all sports. I like bench, incline, squat, power clean, dead lift for all sports. You keep talkin pros. I'm talkin HS. I've seen many straight basketball guys get overwhelmed when defended by the stronger/faster guy who plays BOTH football and basketball. I want to compete in all sports. To do that at 3A and below you have to some type of consistent strenght development (not maintenance, development) throughout the school year. When ur best athletes are one sport guys at my level, the overall athletic program suffers.

[quote name="speechless" post="955713" timestamp="1296143159"] during the summer much more free time and no practice time constraints and the uil allows for organized strength and conditioning practices all summer long, 2 hours a day, 4 days a week [/quote] How bout 'parent' constraints? As in, little johnny can't lift today because he has a 7on7 game tonight. Oh, and he can't lift tomorrow b/c its bball league night. And wednesday he has game with his school summer league team. He can get stronger thursday they tell me as long as he's not too sore for the weekend... Cause, coach, he'll be outta town with his select baseball team for a tournament:) Again, when does that athlete get stronger? Guess he just needs to specialize ;) The UIL may allow it, but you cannot 'require' ur athletes to attend summer conditioning. It's voluntary. Been in coaching almost ten years and have yet to coach at a place where kids lift the way they need to lift 'on their own'. Can count on one hand the kids I've coached who've had that type of work ethic. They need to be pushed by coaches.  Guess ur lucky enough to coach at a place where all ur athletes have that type of drive. And you must have enough of them so they can all be one sport guys;)

[quote name="stevenash" post="955709" timestamp="1296142718"] [quote author=sfasuljack link=topic=79171.msg955702#msg955702 date=1296141793] [/quote] I think it is a mistake to believe what benefits the linebacker has  equal benefits to the first baseman. [/quote] What happens when the LB is the 1st baseman... and TE... and 800m runner? Especially at 3A and below, multi-sport athletes are critical to every programs success. And I would argue that squats, power cleans, bench, incline & dead lift are critical to building the explosion needed to be a successful point guard, QB, lineman, golfer, volleyball player, etc... Durants a great player. Could he be even better if he were stronger? Could he even jump higher & run faster with additional stength development? I say yes. Its not skill OR strength development, the ideal is BOTH. Would Dwight Howard be as good with Durants strength? Besides, we're talking HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETES, not professionals. And most good high school athletes compete in multiple sports and hence are 'in season' year round. So, a healthy dose of some type of base level/general weight program is needed that has benefits to all sports. My vote goes to the 5 lifts I mentioned above. [/quote]  Sorry but I want my point guard to be proficient at shooting, dribbling, and passing.  If he can do those three things at a very high level, I will not be concerned about his explosiveness.  Sure, it would be nice to have that explosiveness, but ABSOLUTELY NOT at the expense of developing the other three.  While I must admit that Howards strength contributes materially to his success, you must admit that Durants skills more than offset his lack of strength.  And I STILL have not heard anybody tell me why the coach for each sport is not equally and/or better qualified to prescribe and supervise his players lifting regimen as opposed instead of the football coach. [/quote] I want my PG to be proicient as those as well and be able fly all over the court and jump outta the gym and be physical because my PG must play defense. And just to play devil's advocate... i'm betting my more explosive athlete will defend ur 'skill only' guy nicely. But again, it's not either/or, you need both IMO.

[quote name="speechless" post="955707" timestamp="1296142323"] Do some research on what lebron does for strength training.  YOGA.  yes i said yoga.  he does zero traidtional lifting. as for multi-sport high school athletes the bottom line is some sports require more skill than others one reason antonio gates never played a down of college football but was able to become an nfl all pro. so when time is limited and choices must be made some sports benefit more from skill time than from strength development besides inseason strength training is simply maintenance lifting anyway its not like they would be out pulling tires or something [/quote] Let's say I'm a football, basketball, baseball guy. You say only do maintenance work in season. From the 7th thru the 12th grade, when exactly do I get stronger??? I'm always in season! And please don't say the summer cause we know I'd have select ball, aau ball, and 7on7 games. Again, when do I get stronger?

[quote name="stevenash" post="955517" timestamp="1296100487"] [quote author=diggstown link=topic=79171.msg955503#msg955503 date=1296099740] If you want a firstbaseman that hits like Adam Everett keep them out of the weightroom. On the flipside most coaches would prefer a player with upper and lower bodystrength, flexibility   developed fast twitch muscle fibers that lead to speed and power and a good body comp. I believe all of those attributes can lead to success in most sports male or female. And it is very difficult to accomplish these things without a complete workout . regiment that includes strength training.  I just talked to Albert pujols and he told me he hits all of those bombs off the lastros because of zumba. Debate settled. [/quote] Glad you and Albert were able to resolve this issue so quickly.  I wonder if Albert believes his ability to properly time the ptich, swing the bat and make good contact is more important than the size of his forearms or vice versa? [/quote] I'm guessing he'd say both are equally important.

[/quote] I think it is a mistake to believe what benefits the linebacker has  equal benefits to the first baseman. [/quote] What happens when the LB is the 1st baseman... and TE... and 800m runner? Especially at 3A and below, multi-sport athletes are critical to every programs success. And I would argue that squats, power cleans, bench, incline & dead lift are critical to building the explosion needed to be a successful point guard, QB, lineman, golfer, volleyball player, etc... Durants a great player. Could he be even better if he were stronger? Could he even jump higher & run faster with additional stength development? I say yes. Its not skill OR strength development, the ideal is BOTH. Would Dwight Howard be as good with Durants strength? Besides, we're talking HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETES, not professionals. And most good high school athletes compete in multiple sports and hence are 'in season' year round. So, a healthy dose of some type of base level/general weight program is needed that has benefits to all sports. My vote goes to the 5 lifts I mentioned above.

Liberty JV / Fresh 22 Huntington JV / Fresh 20

Coach Haynes dropped Liberty (Liberty woulda gladly scrimmaged Hardin instead of having the intrasquad that they did). Scrimmage last year won by Liberty (if you can 'win' a scrimmage). Heard Liberty and Hardin play a real game next year. So, guess things will get settled early next year

Alabama officials have shut down all athletic events following the discovery of likely cases of swine flu in Huntsville. "Right now, we are being advised by our Medical Advisory Committee to shut down all activities until further notice," said Steve Savarese, executive director of the Alabama High School Athletic Association. "We hope to be able to resume activities by next Tuesday, but right now we must study the situation and take it one day at a time." The move means the Alabama state track and field championships, scheduled for May 1-2, will be rescheduled. All other postseason activities scheduled through May 4 in sports including baseball, soccer, softball and golf are postponed until further notice. "This is not something we want to do," Savarese said. "Right now, we want to be cautious." On Tuesday, Texas officials postponed all public high school athletic and academic competitions on Wednesday until May 11 because of the swine flu outbreak. School officials say 53,000 students are out of school due to concern over the virus, and dozens of schools were closed to be sanitized. With 16 confirmed cases of swine flu in Texas, Gov. Rick Perry announced a disaster declaration Wednesday for the entire state. "This is a particularly contagious virus that is easily transmitted by contact," ESPN medical analyst Dr. Michael Kaplan said. "Any physical contact or inhalation/ingestion can infect another person. While most flu viruses are more virulent or dangerous for the very young and old debilitated individual, this strain seems most devastating to the young healthy adult."

Alabama officials have shut down all athletic events following the discovery of likely cases of swine flu in Huntsville. "Right now, we are being advised by our Medical Advisory Committee to shut down all activities until further notice," said Steve Savarese, executive director of the Alabama High School Athletic Association. "We hope to be able to resume activities by next Tuesday, but right now we must study the situation and take it one day at a time." The move means the Alabama state track and field championships, scheduled for May 1-2, will be rescheduled. All other postseason activities scheduled through May 4 in sports including baseball, soccer, softball and golf are postponed until further notice. "This is not something we want to do," Savarese said. "Right now, we want to be cautious." On Tuesday, Texas officials postponed all public high school athletic and academic competitions on Wednesday until May 11 because of the swine flu outbreak. School officials say 53,000 students are out of school due to concern over the virus, and dozens of schools were closed to be sanitized. With 16 confirmed cases of swine flu in Texas, Gov. Rick Perry announced a disaster declaration Wednesday for the entire state. "This is a particularly contagious virus that is easily transmitted by contact," ESPN medical analyst Dr. Michael Kaplan said. "Any physical contact or inhalation/ingestion can infect another person. While most flu viruses are more virulent or dangerous for the very young and old debilitated individual, this strain seems most devastating to the young healthy adult

Hopefully sanity prevails and the UIL makes some other adjustments... otherwise, no Joe Dooley in the mile (cruised to District win in 5.01 but saved a bunch to anchor their mile relay). 5.01 won't get in. Believe he's made it state every year. He'll prob still go in the 800 but woulda been nice to see him try to win both the 800 and 1600 at state. Pretty sure the times he has run around 4.30 all year are 10 to 15 seconds better than anyone else in the region, not to mention he is the defending region champion in the 800 and 1600. Surely they can come up with a better solution. Comparing district times is ridiculous. Sure to be many examples like this (especially relays).

Hopefully sanity prevails and the UIL makes some other adjustments... otherwise, no Joe Dooley in the mile (cruised to District win in 5.01 but saved a bunch to anchor their mile relay). 5.01 won't get in. Believe he's made it state every year. He'll prob still go in the 800 but woulda been nice to see him try to win both the 800 and 1600 at state. Pretty sure the times he has run around 4.30 all year are 10 to 15 seconds better than anyone else in the region, not to mention he is the defending region champion in the 800 and 1600. Surely they can come up with a better solution. Comparing district times is ridiculous. Sure to be many examples like this (especially relays).

What regional qualifiers meet will Dooley run in... Kountze, Crosby or The Woodlands???

When will Lacour and Casey of Crosby race? Should be real good.

Dont think OldSkool was knocking ETBU or DIII but was surprised Burrell hadnt received better offers (meaning higher level) b/c he's a talented kid. Seen him play football and basketball and he has the ability to be productive at DII, probably I-AA. Not to mention he has the frame (about 6'3" I believe) to really benefit size, strength and speed wise from a college weight program. No doubt there are talented DIII players, but I think most people understand that DIII < DII < DI-AA < DI when it comes to the overall level of competition (this is a general statement, I know we can all cite examples where the App States beat the Michigans, but those are the exception, not the rule). Again its not a knock on DIII, it's just reality. Bottom line is the kid is a terrific all around athlete that may really blossum as a football player once he's focused on one sport in college... think thats all OldSkool was sayin.

Hardin JV 34 Buna JV 20

no I don't see tramaine making the team. All the hancocks were better than tramaine. Micheal young of ozen was better than tramaine, I could keep naming more.........

you are so smart!!! glad you support the current staff... maybe you can convince them to change some things on offense to give the kids a better shot at winning... they have no chance if they stay married to the current system. hope the defense is in great shape cause it looks like they're gonna get alot of playin time to sum up... we agree Coach Colely did a good job... you vote for Coach Roberts, i'll take Coach Taylor... we'll see how it plays out... i like my odds so far although i hope for the kids sake you're right... if that makes me biased, so be it

Coach Taylor ran spread WITH a TE (whose main job was to block)... big difference, huge... Coach Taylor also wouldnt have been throwin it much with the current personnel (he had better QBs and receivers than they currently have). Coach Colely and his staff did a good job at New Caney and never would have lost that game either, but having Adam Dunn was a huge part of his staffs success, lets not forget that tiny piece of info. I know Coach Taylors staff was better than the current staff, that was my point. Your earlier post seemed to suggest your support for the current staff. Was I wrong or are you still stickin with the current staffs ability to turn things around??? looks like they are a system driven staff that are unwilling to adapt/adjust to what their kids can do well.

ncplaya... are you saying the current head coach and staff are better than Coach Taylor his staff??? absolutely hilarious... New Caney never set the world on fire under Coach Taylor but rarely got beat by teams they should beat and beat several they shouldnt have. He ran a well organized program and always had sound game plans... bottom line, under Coach Taylor, New Caney would have never lost to a 3A school. all they had to do was line up and run right at them... they better adjust their system to better suit their current kids in a hurry (make some 1st downs and eat some clock!) or its gonna get alot worse... they dont have the personnel to throw it all over the lot right now... not even close to it

Daniel Marsh of Hardin is playing in the All-Star Basketball game.

Pool A Hardin 3-0 Hull-Daisetta 2-1 West Hardin 1-2 Tarkington 0-3 Pool B Jasper 3-0 Shepherd 2-1 Silsbee 1-2 Liberty 0-3 Championship Game Hardin 45 Jasper 27 Runner up Game Hull-Daisetta 25 Shepherd 19 Double Over-time Hardin and Jasper Qualify for the State Tournament to be played July 10th & 11th in College Station at Texas A&M.

Hardin defeated Jasper 45-27 in the Championship game.