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If anything you were insulting West Orange-Stark players and fans, implying we disrespect other Southeast Texas teams. EVERY local team has fans that put out smack talk against local competitors during the regular season but from my 20+ years of experience the communities tend to always come together when the postseason arrives. I have no ill-will towards neither any individual nor any team, but just like you, I hope for my team to win.

How was I insulting you?

Hey! I was there when French won state in 1984 (kinda... they were co-champs), I was there when PN-G played Stephenville in 1999 in the 4A State Finals, I was there when Nederland made it to the Semis in 2001. I totally support any team from SE Texas in the Playoffs. If you're questioning my use of statistics in backing up my point I invite you to do the same for whichever team you follow. No one is stopping you... If people are tired about WO-S fans using stats to backup their arguments then either you are too lazy to research your own team's stats OR you're too embarrassed to post the stats that you have!!

I'm not an administrator.... One stud Quarterback does not a team make

I say WO-S should just concede the title to the Tigers... There's no way we'll have a chance given our past history of never losing a district game against them EVER. 8) ...and if we do it won't really matter since Silsbee goes DI and WO-S goes DII ;D Just as I said to the Nederland fans... Good luck!! You've gotta earn respect, you don't get it just because a newsreporter says you deserve it.

I do see a definite trend though... Not to be pompous ;D 2001 WO-S lost by 35 2002 WO-S lost by 21 2003 WO-S lost by 4 2004 WO-S won by 2 2005 WO-S won by 10 2008 WO-S won by 20

You're dang right we do!! ;D We had a winning streak of our own from 1980-1995 (16 consecutive on-the-field wins) and since then have won 6 to your 5. WO-S 23 wins, Nederland 7 wins (1 by forfeit) Average Score: WO-S 25.8, Nederland 16.1 Nederland has only beaten WO-S once when WO-S was ranked in the AP (2002) WO-S has NEVER had an enrollment larger than Nederland in the 32 year history of the school 2008 #8-WO-S 33 @Nederland 13 2005 #3-WO-S 20 @Nederland 10 2004 @#2-WO-S 32 Nederland 30 2003 Nederland 18 WO-S 14 2002 Nederland 42 #7-WO-S 21 2001 Nederland 35 WO-S 0 2000 #7-WO-S 21 #5-Nederland 10 1999 #9-Nederland 35 WO-S 7 1998 #2-WO-S 36 Nederland 9 1997 #6-WO-S 20 Nederland 17 1996 Nederland 34 WO-S 12 1995 #10-WO-S 41 Nederland 14 1994 WO-S 32 Nederland 22 1993 WO-S 33 @Nederland 28 1992 @#8-WO-S 34 Nederland 7 (forfeit) 1991 WO-S 41 @Nederland 7 1990 @#3-WO-S 55 Nederland 0 1989 #1-WO-S 42 @Nederland 36 1988 @#6-WO-S 41 Nederland 20 1987 #1-WO-S 35 @Nederland 7 1986 @#4-WO-S 28 Nederland 10 1985 @#5-WO-S 35 Nederland 13 1984 WO-S 23 Nederland 0 1983 WO-S 20 Nederland 13 1982 WO-S 7 Nederland 3 1981 WO-S 7 Nederland 0 1980 WO-S 40 Nederland 8 1979 Nederland 13 WO-S 3 1978 WO-S 21 Nederland 14 1977 WO-S 19 Nederland 15 You're right... every year is a new season. Again Good Luck!

At least Ned has the gumption to schedule us.... I'm waiting for the day when PN-G attempts to end that 7 game losing streak they have against us ;) ;) I still love ya Indians!

Just posted a 1977 black-and-white newspaper pic of the crowd in Texas Stadium from the Abilene News... The number cited in the caption is over 2000 less than what was the eventual official attendance recorded. Are there any actual pics from the 1977 game out there?

Thanks! I posted several of the 1999 pics... they're all imprinted with the website from which they came so I'm assuming I won't get into copyright trouble from it?

I've been arguing the case that PN-G has one of the largest fan bases in the state on the 5A board... feel free to chime in!! I've got Permian, Longview and Lufkin folk agreeing with me but it would be nice to have some local fans opinions. [Hidden Content]

Huh?!? Nederland has gone an underwhelming 3-4 in opening games since 2002 including a 13-33 loss to WO-S in Week 0 in 2008 WO-S has played a bit better in Week 0 games over the same period going 6-1 with the only loss being by 2 points to #2 ranked and eventual State Finalist Jasper in 2004. We also knocked off eventual local 4A district champ Dayton in Week 0 games in BOTH 2006 and 2007 (a team which Ned lost to 7-35 in '06 and 0-63 in '07). Since the school opened WO-S is 26-5-1 in 32 opening games. That's one more loss than Nederland has had in the past 7 years. Again.... Good Luck!

If my memory and history are correct we had a 16 year winning streak (1980-1995) against Nederland and have had a MORE RECENT 3 game winning streak (2004, 2005 and 2008) as well. We also have an active 7 game winning streak against PN-G (something Ned has never done in 84 years)... ...and an active 6 game winning streak against Silsbee. ;D ;D ;D Good luck to all in '09

We're 12-2 against 4A teams (including 4 consecutive wins over the local 4A district champ - Nederland in '04, Central in '05 and Dayton in both '06 and '07) since dropping to 3A so that means nothing.

We shall see... WO-S is 25-0 against Golden Triangle teams (meaning Orange and Jefferson County teams) since 2003. Nederland is not a team to be written off by any means as they did beat us 3 consecutive years from 2001-2003 and we had a couple of very close wins in '04 and '05 so I'm sure the team and coaching staff will definitely take the Bulldogs seriously. I'm hoping it won't be any more exciting than last years game but you never know. Good luck!

If you check out the link at the top of the original thread the list only includes programs with >64.5% winning percentages. Barbers Hill is the only other local program to make the list, coming in at #706 Here are the updated local stats All-Time Winning Percentages in Southeast Texas (includes all results through the end of 2008) 1. 79.21% West Orange-Stark (290-75-3) 2. 64.98% Barbers Hill (518-273-27) 3. 62.45% Newton (457-272-14) 4. 62.30% Baytown Lee (551-326-38) 5. 61.91% Hull-Daisetta (510-307-35) 6. 61.89% Port Neches-Groves (517-312-33) 7. 61.45% Jasper (553-340-37) 8. 61.20% Beaumont West Brook (182-115-2) 9. 59.63% Hamshire-Fannett (300-202-7) 10. 58.27% Nederland (483-341-35) 11. 57.55% Burkeville (236-173-8) 12. 56.94% Beaumont Central (138-104-3) 13. 56.78% Coldspring (300-227-11) 14. 56.57% Liberty (458-348-31) 15. 55.87% Silsbee (443-347-28) 16. 55.77% Galena Park North Shore (271-214-9) 17. 55.45% Dayton (464-369-38) 18. 53.53% C.E. King (294-254-19) 19. 53.27% Anahuac (368-321-29) 20. 53.17% Galena Park (411-360-33) 21. 53.04% Beaumont Ozen (61-54-0) 22. 52.57% Hardin-Jefferson (253-228-6) 23. 51.86% East Chambers (315-292-10) 24. 50.68% Woodville (394-383-31) 25. 50.00% Port Arthur Memorial (35-35-0) 26. 49.45% Bridge City (263-269-11) 27. 48.80% Crosby (370-389-33) 28. 48.74% Baytown Sterling (207-218-10) 29. 48.68% Little Cypress-Mauriceville (254-268-8) 30. 47.92% Orangefield (271-295-12) 31. 47.13% Kirbyville (375-422-22) 32. 45.70% Livingston (383-458-32) 33. 45.01% Cleveland (352-433-26) 34. 44.94% High Island (183-225-7) 35. 44.07% Huffman (171-218-7) 36. 43.27% Splendora (218-287-8) 37. 41.51% Shepherd (190-270-11) 38. 40.99% Deweyville (159-230-5) 39. 40.89% Buna (238-347-13) 40. 40.63% Warren (231-341-15) 41. 39.70% West Hardin (184-281-6) 42. 39.33% Evadale (196-305-10) 43. 39.19% Channelview (198-310-10) 44. 34.89% Lumberton (147-276-4) 45. 34.67% Hardin (209-400-14) 46. 34.28% Kountze (187-364-12) 47. 32.65% Vidor (216-453-14) 48. 30.70% Tarkington (156-361-14) 49. 28.38% Sabine Pass (60-156-6) 50. 11.11% Goose Creek Memorial (1-8-0) All-Time Wins in Southeast Texas (includes all results through the end of 2008) 500+ Wins 1. 61.45% Jasper (553-340-37) 2. 62.30% Baytown Lee (551-326-38) 3. 64.98% Barbers Hill (518-273-27) 4. 61.89% Port Neches-Groves (517-312-33) 5. 61.91% Hull-Daisetta (510-307-35) 400-499 Wins 6. 58.27% Nederland (483-341-35) 7. 55.45% Dayton (464-369-38) 8. 56.57% Liberty (458-348-31) 9. 62.45% Newton (457-272-14) 10. 55.87% Silsbee (443-347-28) 11. 53.17% Galena Park (411-360-33) 300-399 Wins 12. 50.68% Woodville (394-383-31) 13. 45.70% Livingston (383-458-32) 14. 47.13% Kirbyville (375-422-22) 15. 48.80% Crosby (370-389-33) 16. 53.27% Anahuac (368-321-29) 17. 45.01% Cleveland (352-433-26) 18. 51.86% East Chambers (315-292-10) 19. 59.63% Hamshire-Fannett (300-202-7) 20. 56.78% Coldspring (300-227-11) 200-299 Wins 21. 53.53% C.E. King (294-254-19) 22. 79.21% West Orange-Stark (290-75-3) 23. 55.77% Galena Park North Shore (271-214-9) 24. 47.92% Orangefield (271-295-12) 25. 49.45% Bridge City (263-269-11) 26. 48.68% Little Cypress-Mauriceville (254-268-8) 27. 52.57% Hardin-Jefferson (253-228-6) 28. 40.89% Buna (238-347-13) 29. 57.55% Burkeville (236-173-8) 30. 40.63% Warren (231-341-15) 31. 43.27% Splendora (218-287-8) 32. 32.65% Vidor (216-453-14) 33. 34.67% Hardin (209-400-14) 34. 48.74% Baytown Sterling (207-218-10) 100-199 Wins 35. 39.19% Channelview (198-310-10) 36. 39.33% Evadale (196-305-10) 37. 41.51% Shepherd (190-270-11) 38. 34.28% Kountze (187-364-12) 39. 39.70% West Hardin (184-281-6) 40. 44.94% High Island (183-225-7) 41. 61.20% Beaumont West Brook (182-115-2) 42. 44.07% Huffman (171-218-7) 43. 40.99% Deweyville (159-230-5) 44. 30.70% Tarkington (156-361-14) 45. 34.89% Lumberton (147-276-4) 46. 56.94% Beaumont Central (138-104-3) 0-99 Wins 47. 53.04% Beaumont Ozen (61-54-0) 48. 28.38% Sabine Pass (60-156-6) 49. 50.00% Port Arthur Memorial (35-35-0) 50. 11.11% Goose Creek Memorial (1-8-0)

I don't see Nederland scoring more than 2 TD's against our defense..... WO-S won 33-13 in 2008 (only Central held them to less points all season). Our defense is just as good and our offense should be better in '09.

This was just updated to include 2008 results. Only 3 Texas teams made the top 50 and WO-S makes an awesome showing.... How cool is that! Click Here for the Original Source --->LINK (300 minimum games played) 1. John Curtis, La.-----(14-1)-------.9008: 469-49-6 2. Dolgeville, Ny---------(10-1)------.8541: 432-68-14 3. DeLaSalle, Ca---------(12-2)-----.8477: 369-63-8 4. Mountain View, Az-----(12-1)----.8374: 344-66-2 5. Seneca Valley, Md------(12-1)---.8316: 326-66-0 6. Richmond Sr., NC---(12-2)------.8224: 387-82-5 7. Brentwood Acad,Tn------(8-5)--.8220: 398-85-3 8. Olathe North, Ks---------(8-3)---.8203: 251-55-0 9. Blakely, Pa-----(closed)---------.8170: 252-51-14 10. Fmngton Hlls Hrrison, Mi-(4-5)-.8094: 345-80-1 11. Hazelwood E., Mo----(11-3)----.8071: 307-93-1 12. Valdosta, Ga.----------(5-5)-----.8020: 843-195-35 (all-time win leader) 13. St Mary's Colgan,Ks---(11-2)---.8010: 518-126-7 14. Cincinnati Moeller, Oh-(6-5)---.8008: 409-101-2 15. Haynesville, La.-----(10-3)-----.8002: 678-160-22 16. Peru, Ny----------------(5-5)-------.7976: 369-91-7 17. Camdenton, Mo------(7-3)---------.7975: 415-101-7 18. Albany, Mn---------(10-1)-----------.7966: 441-107-15 19. Carrollton, Ga--------(9-3)---------.7958: 488-120-14 20. West Orange-Stark, Tx-(10-1)----.7921: 290-75-3 21. Jksn Lumen Christi, Mi-(10-3)-----.7902: 339-90-0 22. D.C. Everest, Wi-----(9-1)---------.7893: 435-115-3 23. Pekin, Ia-------------(11-2)---------.7888: 385-102-3 24. Summerville, Sc-------(9-3)--------.7887: 732-187-25 25. Weir, Ms--------------(9-4)---------.7868: 470-123-12 26. Ridley, Pa------------(10-3)---------.7835: 601-157-25 27. Wilde Lake, Md-------(12-2)--------.7821: 305-85-0 28. Odessa Permian, Tx--(12-1)-------.7819: 465-125-13 29. Heritage Hills, In---------(8-4)-----.7818: 326-91-0 30. Emmetsburg, Ia------(5-4)---------.7817: 403-110-7 31. DeMatha, Md-----------(10-2)------.7813: 426-116-9 32. Thomas, Ok------(mrgd)-----------.7806: 619-170-11 33. Blue Ridge, Az----------(12-2)-----.7800: 324-91-1 34. Bishop Chatard, In-----(11-2)-----.7798: 405-114-1 35. Shenendehowa, Ny--(5-4)---------.7775: 295-83-4 36. Oak Ridge, Tn--------(4-6)--------.7774: 562-157-11 37. Louisville Trinity, Ky----(14-1)----.7772: 497-140-7 38. Notre Dame, La-------(13-1)------.7768: 404-115-3 39. Ft Wayne Snider, In---(11-2)------.7768: 383-109-3 40. B.T. Washington, OK--(13-1)------.7763: 700-191-30 41. Waunakee, Wi--------(11-1)-------.7744: 448-128-7 42. E. St Louis, Sr, Il-------(13-1)-----.7718: 740-203-45 43. Silver Bluff, Sc-------(9-3)---------.7708: 269-80-0 44. Fargo South, ND--------(9-2)------.7687: 317-94-4 45. Caledonia Mmfrd Ctrl, Ny-(5-3)---.7684: 513-151-16 46. Newark Catholic, Oh---(6-4)------.7676: 444-133-4 47. L.C. Bird, Va----------(9-2)--------.7668: 262-79-2 48. Heidelberg Academy, Ms-(0-10)--.7667: 332-101-0 49. Southlake Carroll, Tx---(8-3)-----.7664: 416-124-8 50. Fort Hill, Md------------(11-2)------.7663: 567-167-17

To date, no Non-5A team from Texas has ever ranked as highly as the '87 WO-S team did since USA Today started their national rankings in 1980. Aldine MacArthur was ranked #1 in 5A in Texas when we beat them that year. It remains the only time that a lower classification team knocked off a #1 ranked 5A team in Texas.

The WO-S coaching staff has a heck of a lot more "championship experience" than Carthage as last year was the Bulldog's first title ever and only their 2nd State Championship appearance ever. The majority of the senior players at WO-S have also had quite a bit of playoff experience facing #1 Giddings in 2007, Waco La Vega in 2007 and Gilmer in 2008.

In 32 seasons WO-S STILL only has two opponents that have ever played them more than once and have a winning record against them (C.E. King and La Marque). Our coaching staff are some of the best in the state when it comes to analyzing football strategy against a new opponent and quickly coming up with an appropriate defense. Two major examples: Ennis lead 31-0 at Halftime in the 2000 4A State Finals and WO-S outscored them 24-7 in the 2nd half Gilmer lead 28-8 at Halftime last year in the Regional Semis and WO-S outscored them 15-7 in the 2nd half A rematch with Gilmer would be a tough game but I wouldn't count WO-S out by any means!

LOL Who is this Gabe I've been hearing about from the entire town of Orange? We need to talk!

They did the same thing last year with Kirbyville. The answer is that the DCTF rankings are actually the Padilla Poll rankings (set by Carl Padilla). The DCTF bracket predictions are picked by the actual DCTF staff and don't necessarily follow the rankings listed in the same magazine, which is why there are differences. I thought it was strange last year too.

[Hidden Content] That's just the 3A DII Bracket... Here's the link for all classifications [Hidden Content]

Should be interesting to see how the new OC does compared to the old as that has been the biggest complaint over the past several years.