Remmus

Blaming Obama for the state of race relations is like blaming Bush for 9/11.  The conditions were there prior to either showing up to work.  What makes some of you look like prejudice or racists arse-holes is the relentless tearing down of anything the man has done.  Just doesn't pass the sniff test for many on-lookers.  Put some balance in your life and people may not be so quick to incorrectly label you as racist...IJS.

If you like deportation of illegals, you should love Obama on that one.  He shipped out anyone they could find with a criminal record (even non-violent).   I think it was around 2.5million.  Maybe some are too focused on his ugly wife to see any good in the guy other than having a good personality.  Hell, some Americans have a different ideology and love the guy.  As certain as conservatives are about their ideology, it's okay to think differently, right?  

The Republicans have no plan. If they really wanted to do anything, a plan would be on tap.  Just open everything up to competition and move on.

@CraigS try paying for college today.  There was a time when we funded our public institutions.  Whose big idea was it to pull those funds?

2 hours ago, REBgp said:

Good catch Tigers.  I don't think Remmus caught it before posting.  He's trying to assimilate, but still has a way to go.

Trying to assimilate?...WTF.

2 hours ago, JWB said:

8 more Days...I don't want to see Obama or his ugly wife on TV again, unless its a Live video of them loading up a U-Haul truck!!!

Ugly wife...STFU.  

12 hours ago, stevenash said:

Blaming Bush for the financial crisis is 2008 is very very lame

 

 

co-signing on bank deregulation sorta sets up the environment.

13 hours ago, REBgp said:

I agree.  Btw, I've heard it estimated that he'll lose approx $28 million by not spending the next four years working at ExxonMobil.  And although a millionaire many times over, that's still a lot of money.  Could he possibly be doing it because he loves America?  Is he that nasty word that sends the left into anxiety, a patriot?  

Patriot, yes ...just like Dick Cheney.  Halliburton sure did get rich during that time of patriotism.  

3 hours ago, 1989NDN said:

Trump won because he found an audience that Hillary Clinton took for granted, i.e., working class Americans.  Trump vowed (and to his credit, thus far, he has kept his vow) to get Americans back to work.  People of all color, ethnicity, religion, political affiliation, etc. want an opportunity to work and provide for his/her family.  People in Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, West Virginia, Florida, Texas and all across this great nation want Americans back to work.  That is exactly why Trump is pushing his agenda with Carrier, Ford, General Motors, Boeing, the steel industry, the coal industry, etc.  It's time we stop sending jobs elsewhere, be it to Mexico, Taiwan, China, or India.  Let's put the great people of the USA back to work making the goods and services we need.  We can make refrigerators, toasters, steel bridges, cars, trucks, etc. right here in the USA.  Let's give lower and middle class Americans an opportunity to earn decent wages and provide good products and services.  Yes, business owners/shareholders should make a profit.  No one denies that premise.  But, CEOs and other executives making tens of millions while the common man and woman risks losing his/her job to an overseas job market is not what made the USA the land of opportunity.  Trump figured out the frustration of John Q. and Sally Q. Public, and he made that his platform.  Whereas, Hillary Clinton took that vote for granted and stayed focus on buzzword politics, i.e., Dem v. Rep, corporations v. unions, tax increases v. tax cuts, spending for social services v. spending on the military, a woman's right to choose v. pro-life, etc.  It's like Bill Clinton used to say:  It's not about who sleeps with who or any other social issue...it's all about the economy.  Here's to the President (be it President Obama or President-elect Trump) being a good leader for all Americans.

3...2...1...let the hard core conservatives tear apart this post.

Go Indians.  Peace.

I've said for year that Republicans and so-called conservatives bought and sold the working man FOR YEARS.  They pandered to the working class the same way Democrats pander to minorities.  Republicans were the tool of big business and the wealthy.  Trump has put all of this on it's ear.  If nothing else, it's a strong message to the establishment to not take the working class for granted.  Also, I agree that the economy is top of the list for most people.  

I'd soooooooooooooo love to see that import tax get passed.  So many businesses would have a hard smack of Karma.

7 minutes ago, ladybug33 said:

This country had that with G. Bush lmao. We had 911, and the worse economic downfall in history. I do not believe Trump nor Hillary nor Berney were the right people to run this country. I actually  like Kasich. Lets see how fast Trump -'s up the country, believe me it is coming.

I like Kasich too, but he's not the guy to really shake up Washington.  

Covered by the 1st amendment, but insensitive just like flying a confederate flag.  Move the portrait to another venue...like the beautiful African American Museum down the street.  They have an art gallery there.  In that venue people can judge the value of the work without it being a political statement.

They're also in rival fraternities.  I'm curious to see if Stephen A calls out any fellow Frat brother that knelled and also didn't vote.  That aside, he has a point.

If you think about it, Trump antics are really a slap in the face to the group of intelligent and articulate people that voted for him and have his back.  If he keeps it up, at some point even his devote supporters will have enough.  He hasn't even been sworn in and is wearing us thin with Tweets. 

2 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

I completely agree with this sentiment, but in this case he targeted his victims solely on race.  That's a lot different than the cases where a cop is justifiable in shooting and killing someone, but the media reports on a "white cop killing a black man", drawing unnecessary and unwarranted outrage from the public.  

True if Roof is a supremacist ...I think he's just crazy and killed 9 ppl.  Even today's supremacist steer clear of churches.  Some hold Christian beliefs albeit skewed.

7 minutes ago, bullets13 said:

I voted for Obama the first time he ran.  I firmly opposed him during his second campaign, and voted against him.  In the lead up to this election, I was disappointed with both candidates that we were offered, and didn't vote for either.  I didn't think I had a favorite out of the two, and I was surprised on election night when I felt relief that trump beat out Hillary.  I don't know that he'll be a good president, and I won't be surprised if he's not.  That being said, I think that he has the chance to institute a lot of necessary changes that a professional politician would choose not to make, and I hope that he can do so in a fair and reasonable way.  Either way, I'm glad that Obama's time as president is over.  Here's to hoping that the next 4 (or 8) years bring about a positive change in our country.  We certainly need it.

I agree ...if he can stop being distracted by shiny objects.  Trump may be the biggest God-send for everyday Americans we've seen.  

1 minute ago, bullets13 said:

I wouldn't want to be in his position either, but with that position comes the responsibility of doing what is right, even at the risk of being labeled an "Uncle Tom".

If wasn't careful tho, we might have been talking about his great character in his eulogy.  

Even if Obama was a Muslim, that's not a bad thing.  It's just a different faith.  I'm far from an anti-Semite (over used as much as racist).  I just don't want America to pick sides in a gang war to the point where we're begging for another drive by on the US.  Netenyahu acts like we owe him money or something.  He needs to get in line.

8 minutes ago, stevenash said:

I have had my fill of good appearances and great speeches and the election results suggests the same for the American people.  I am very willing to see if someone who does not speak as well or act as dignified can actually accomplish something.  Hopefully, this administration will provide substance over symbolism rather than the standard symbolism over substance.  Drawing a red line was very symbolic but there was zilch behind the gesture.  I dont want any more of that.

We shall see.  Praying that Trump is successful and makes our country even better.  His wheelhouse is negotiating ...start with trade deals and corporations.

Looking forward to the day where we don't mention race in order to heighten headline.  Killing 9 people in cold blood is plenty to warrant firing up old sparky.

1 hour ago, LumRaiderFan said:

I'm gonna give him credit for obamacare, failed foreign policy, shutting down coal mines and losing much respect for us globally.

 

Forget about facilitating stabilizing our economy, killing Bin Laden, making banks play fair with homeowners, helping millions get healthcare (although sabotaged), lowering unemployment.

His foreign policy...well.  I agree with the stance with Israel tho.  

Trump looks sooooo small.  Just not the same league in terms of character.  I can't even imagine Trump's farewell speech.  "First I'd like to give Merrill Streep a piece of my mind..."

I've signed on for Trump to see if his big ideas help American workers.  The wealthy had their nirvana over the past 5 administrations.

Anyone see a fairly recent documentary called "Class Divide"?  Very, very interesting.  Shows how rich and poor liberals in the same neighborhood deal with the fruits of Capitalism (or lack of fruit).  

A conservative hero emerges in the documentary, a young man named Danny that lives in the projects.  This housing project is surrounded by million dollar homes (New York City).  

His words: "My mentor always told me it's okay and it's not your fault if you're born poor, but it is your fault if you die poor.  Me coming from here, I didn't know that.  I didn't understand that.  I was a democrat, then when I was presented the opportunity to become an entrepreneur ...everything is self-performance ...you know, that's what America is.  If you want something bad enough you'll get it ...you know, I love that.  I love that now, but I changed my whole mentality and now I'm a republican.  I know, it's crazy. [friends sitting with him are shocked, laugh]  If I can give you a dollar or I can give an opportunity which one are you going to take?  And most people as a democrat they'd rather take the dollar than the opportunity."

He had a brief rant after that.  He wants to be a self-made millionaire by 27.

2 hours ago, stevenash said:

And labeling anyone who disagrees with you as a racist only suggests that the one making the allegation is a racist him/herself

That's a stretch IMO.  Could be overly sensitive or conditioned to believe a certain way

2 hours ago, stevenash said:

Naive enough to believe that circumstance, if true, is exclusive to Fox?

Strange times we live in.  The message above is structured like one you'd hear a liberal make about a number of issues.  I guess I did it as well.  "Everyone does it."  

Conspiracy Theory: Stevenash is ECO's alter ego.  

30 minutes ago, baddog said:

Ever seen the women who work for Fox? They are foxes for sure. All could pose for Playboy.

Would not disagree, but keep your furry hot dog in your pants sir.  Morning Joe has one that is Fox worthy too.

21 minutes ago, BLUEDOVE3 said:

Yep, c'mon outta the closet. That's what I give Obama credit for, made guys like you stand up and say what you thought in the first place. 

They say a hit dog barks...lol.  Seriously, race issues have at least two sides.  For a long time the issue was dominated and controlled by whites (some well meaning and others were more concerned about free labor), then we had a shift in the 60's and the issue was dominated by minorities.  Any opposing views were kept hush publicly unless you were in a fringe group.  Today I'm praying we're seeing a balance talk and understanding.  We can't start the conversation with the words "Racist" or "Liberal" either.

18 minutes ago, Tigers2010 said:

There is no question, we just fundamentally disagree. I am glad, though, I got to see your perspective. I think there is too many excuses made for criminals. I think they get away with too much and don't receive proper punishment, white or black. I would be interested to see if those parents who teach their kids to be scared or not like the police have a criminal background. I am not scared of the police and do not feel like if I was stopped I would be at risk of being shot. I do not buy the rebuttal "Thats because your white" either. 

Here is why i am not scared of the police:

1. I rarely have interacted with them because I follow the law.

2. I do not hang around people who violate the law, risking a police interaction.

3. If stopped by a policemen, I would not be disrespect, rude, and defensive. 

4. If a policeman asked me to put my hands behind my back or any other specif order, I would say "Yes sir/ma'am and do it respectfully.

5. If asked to take my hands out of my pockets, I would do so the first time I was asked.

6. I would never make a motion toward a cop, especially aggressively.

7. I would not run from the police, because I would have nothing to hide.

It is not because I am white. It is because I respect the law and those that enforce it. If everyone respected the law and did not break it and have no respect for law enforcement these issues would be resolved almost to nothing. I

Parents are giving their kids this advice ...this comes from my general understanding, could be wrong.  That talk is based in don't do anything to give a cop a reason and of course don't be doing anything to warrant a stop.  Will also bet money that African American officers are giving "the talk" too.