McLovin

We're talking about passing, not succeeding in, high school classes here. There's either a history of borderline/failing performance in school or a severe lack of effort on the student's behalf. I guarantee you three things: 1) The teacher was aware. 2) The student was aware. 3) The coach did not care enough to involve themselves in the education of these student athletes. 

The blame for academic failure is on the student and teacher. 

The blame for ineligibility ignorance is on the coach. Seriously, how many players are there to check on?

5 minutes ago, Reagan said:

I can say a HC shouldn't make over 80,000.  A teacher, probably 60.000.  Principle. 90,000 and Superintendent 100.000.  I always relate to public and private sector.  Not many people in the private sector (not total house income) makes a base of  80.90.100,000 dollars.  So, really,  the public sector shouldn't either.  Just my opinion!

Wonderful! We started at: High school head coaches shouldn't make $155,000 because teachers' salaries aren't that high. Now we have: High school head coaches should make less than administrators and more than teachers, but top-end salaries should come down. 

I think that's much more agreeable. A few things to consider would be: If you take the AD role away from the HC and lowered them to a teacher's salary, how much would you pay an AD, and how would the combined total compare to a HC/AD combo salary? What is a reasonable ratio of HC/AD to superintendent pay, teacher to superintendent? Is this worth only a 33% pay increase over teachers and even pay with administrators with no teaching duties? Does enrollment, regional cost of living, or regional average family income change these numbers?

Looking at numbers across the state and the fact that benefits as a percentage of wages is generally the same between public and private, the answer would be that it will cost the district more to employ a teacher and an administrator than to employ an individual to do both. That holds true in Lake Travis ISD, which is the source of this wretched number. By your scale: HCAD/Super 80%(72% statewide), Teacher/Super 60%(40% statewide), Teacher/HCAD 75%(56% statewide). In Lake Travis ISD, HCAD/Super 41%, Teacher/Super 13%, Teacher/HCAD 32%. The biggest offender in this controversial example is not the coaches pay, rather the superintendent's pay($374,143) which would scale the HCADs salary to $300,000!

7 minutes ago, Reagan said:

The salient point is:  How many teachers could you hire with $155,000?  Again -- priorities.  BTW, background does matter.  If you are paid with tax dollars then we do not have a center for discussion.  Someone that gets paid with tax dollars are always going to defend that side.  So, yes, it does matter. 

I offered you to elaborate so we might better understand the foundation of your opinion and give it some weight. You cannot, or you refuse. Thus, your opinion is as worthless to this thread as our backgrounds are to the argument. There is truth in logic upon facts, regardless the source, and you have offered none.

Let's get back on track. Do you have those numbers yet?

11 minutes ago, Reagan said:

If the State gives money to districts (yes they do) then salary caps can be made.  I'll have to think about what caps those should be.  Remember, we are dealing with tax dollars, not free enterprise.   Just as a point of reference:  Do you work in the private sector?  Plus, not thinking a HC should be paid $155,000 is ignoring inconvenient truths. 

I've no concern with salary caps or dispute with state funding allocation, so if ta ceiling is how you wish to express those amounts, do share. I appreciate the reminder of the subject matter, but it makes no difference; many public sector positions are not immune to broader market influences and trends. In some cases, they are even in direct competition with private employers. 

I'd like you to remember that your answer to my question of why HCs shouldn't be paid $155,000 was a rhetorical question regarding teachers' salaries, so I'm acknowledging that we ought to analyze the two positions on the basis of their equivalence and also in relation to other high paying roles within the system rather than opine on how those numbers make us feel when we look at them.

Let's focus on the substance and not my background, your background, red herrings, ad hominem, etc. 

On 12/18/2017 at 1:20 PM, Reagan said:

Do teachers make that much?

 

You've answered many replies. Please, do one more for the sake of not ignoring inconvenient truths and not leaving a problem without a solution. Assign salaries in actual dollar amounts next to the following items and justify those numbers with respect to market demand(hiring competition), required skills and degrees, and parity of the quality of viable applicants for each role:

Superintendent - $

Principal - $

Assistant Principal - $

Teacher(Core Department Head) - $

Teacher(Standard Certified) - $

Teacher(Not Certified, Non-core) - $

Janitor - $

2 hours ago, Reagan said:

IMO -- no high school coach should be paid $155,000!

Why?

Decent coverage on the twittersphere. Search for Silsbee. 

How hard would it be to get live video from these games? I remember watching Silsbee vs HJ basketball via Ustream a few years back. 

J'Covan Brown named to Academic All-Big 12 Men's Basketball Team
http://www.texassports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/021612aad.html

WOS by 14+

The poll is bogus.

It only concerns the people in the clubhouse. Our opinions should have no impact on what goes on behind closed doors in a MLB franchise. ESPN should be ashamed of covering this. Professionalism? Are you kidding me? They play a game for a living.

Haha. Apparently the writers over at the enterprise crawl the SETX forum for ideas.

Has there been recent conversation on coaching salaries in Southeast Texas? Who are the highest paid? Who offers more to assistants? I assume this info is in a public record somewhere, so why not compile it? Also, any juicy rumors of coaches getting more than we're told? I believe this thread has real potential if it doesn't already exist.

If nothing else post what you've heard about the pay scale at local schools.

You're welcome.

That number sounds right. I was told 12/50000. It doesn't work. Never did, never will.

Depends, sometimes it's not as bad as the brow-beating they take from their father in the stands. I've never really had a problem with coaches though. The parent issue is unbearable.

Say it ain't so.

God forbid someone having an opinion in this thread..

I've seen a "man-child" such as this. There is always at least one. Sure he has talent, but he also has many years of development between him and a college scholarship. Don't invest more "oh's" and "ah's" in viral finds like these. They almost never pan out and the list of reasons is limitless.

I'm pretty sure he goes to SHSU!  ;D haha

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From the teams and players that I've seen in 21-3A, I can agree that Neely is more consistant than most. I looked her up on maxprep.com she only a junior.  How come BC VB don't put stats on maxprep like Silsbee does?
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More consistent than most? IMO MVP is given to the best, not the above average. If you can't look to consistent play as a determining factor, then leadership qualities would need to be highlighted. This is a highly valuable attribute to a team. I'm thinking these higher-level players are given a lot of credit even though some can't keep their eyes out of the bleachers.

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The best volleyball player in 21-3A is the MB from Silsbee No.7 Chelsea Neely. I've watched a lot of VB this season and Neely can do it all.  She is a monster at the net and can serve and play back row.  When I saw her play in the two games against Bridge City she was clearly the best player on the floor.
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Agreed, I was going to post it Friday when I saw her number again.  She's dang good.

I just want everyone to know my sister is Aimee Scales and I would put the Silsbee girl over her because I'm not blinded by red...sorry orange.
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She has high moments, but I'm sure you can agree inconsistency plagues the Silsbee squad. In this case, even Neely.

Silsbee in 4.

Pure chance that Lumberton won. Everyone knows how 9:00 games go. Early morning is killer on nocturnal teams.

Now I don't feel so bad about not hitting him in high school.    Horns need to pick it up though.