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it is 35-0 Hardin with 2 minutes left till half.  This score is legit...

i am just wondering...i read alot of threads on here and so far everytime i have seen a thread on buna there is always someone from ec on here to dog them... i looked at the scores of the orangefield game and what i have seen is that buna handled them a little better than ec did...seems kinda strange how that little detail is always overlooked in an ec post....anyway the topic is not ec against the world and buna against some small school it is buna and anahuac...we should all start a "what if ec played them" thread...

Don't be too dependent on the score alone...The score could be deceptive.  I am not an EC fan, but I know from experience that the score never explains how the game went, except who won and lost.  Maybe EC had a monster game against  OF but things went wrong..i.e. fumbles, etc and maybe Buna got some gift scores or what...and vice versa

Point is that when comparing teams, don't use scores as a measuring stick because each team is different.  A better stick is the box score.  I will check and see about that now that I have thought of that. 

EDIT>>>I just looked at the box scores for both Buna and EC.  The OF games for both are markedly different.  EC was in charge for most of the game scorewise until 6 mins left in the 4th quarter when OF scored 2 TDs before the game ended.  This suggests to me that the scrubs were in when this happened, but the stats were very similar.  As to the Buna game, It appears that the game was in Buna's favor the entire way, but Smith scored the final TD so again this suggests the 1st string was in the whole time and the stats are really in Buna's favor.  Hmmmmm....  On face value, the box scores help give a little insight on both teams, but still not enough...I guess I would have to watch the game tapes... 

I guess we will have to see these two "juggernauts" go at it soon.

Heck, I might be wrong, but that is just my opinion.  LOL...

If the Marsh kid's dad is who I think he is, then I believe that he is taller than his dad, and almost as fast, if not as fast. 

Although he didn't play in the NFL, Bridge City's own Steve Worster won a HS championship and a NCAA championship with the Longhorns.

dvillepirate...

I can see where you got confused about the QB size...I wasn't very clear on which QB I was talking about...sorry.

Nolan is about 6'0 and 185lbs.  Very smart kid and makes good decisions  and knows when to run and he can run...not like Marsh but he can run.

to dvillepirate...

I could be confused as to what team he plays for, but Hardin did play a QB that was really tall and the football pads could have skewed what weight he appeared to be.  However, Hardin did play an opponent that had a big QB and I just happened to think it was Groveton's.  BTW, it doesn't take away from the fact that Groveton does have a good team.

No, it is in Hardin...I think the Hornets will be looking to avenge their lopsided loss from last year.  To TravelingBandsman, Groveton is a very good 1A team...they beat WH in a tough game and beat Warren just last week.  Their QB and RB are really good athletes...I believe the QB is like 6'5" 210 or along those lines...  Like I said in a previous post, when trying to defend Hardin, a team will have to choose the lesser of two evils: defend the pass or the run....it is rare for a team to shut down both on a balanced team.  If D-Ville does it, then props to them...

Trust me, they can pass to more than 2 guys.  I agree secondary needs to be good for anyone to stop them.  BTW, I think that secondary pass defense is the hardest thing to coach, esp at the lower levels, due to not to many teams do the pass first thing...  Most teams are groundpounders around here.  It can sometimes be easier to defend the run than the pass.  It is a choice of the lesser of two evils with Hardin though.  In the past 4 games, they have balanced their offense well.  I believe that Hardin had 505 yds of offense against HI and it was like 250 yds passing and 255 rushing.  I pick Hardin by 2 scores.  It will be different from last year....

not certain if the above score was final, but couple of things to note...

Marsh caught a pass from Nolan and took it 96 yards for a score.  I believe that there were 5 TD passes, all from Nolan.  Rushing was also good as well, from what I heard.

1st team did not play after the half...

Hardin was winning 46-7 with 4 mins left in 4th quarter.

my favorite play is the touchdown play!!!! ;D ;D

seriously, for groundbased teams, i like the wishbone plays (ala UT of the 60s and Nebraska of the 90s). 

From an aerial standpoint, I like the WCO based plays where the checkdown is to the TE.

Yea, it was holding.  You have to let go if he isnt' directly in front of you anymore.  Must have been the Houston officials there.

the officials probably let that go because he was being manhandled by the Olineman.  He had no chance at the QB.  As long as his hands stay in his chest and not outside the shoulders, he can pretty much do what he wants.  That Olineman was in control the whole way.  I would be embarrassed if I was the manhandled defender's coach b/c that was just flat out domination.  BTW, Soulja, he was in front of him the whole time in my opinion. 

Thanks for the stats...

Not to be critical, but how can you have 21 1st downs with only 155 yards??

Penalties can kill ya!!! Plus there is lost yardage on plays behind LOS.  or it can be a misprint...I got this from the Beaumont Enterprise.

                West Hardin    Hardin

Total yards            155      422

First downs            21        30

Rushes/Yds          26/90    27/251

Average rush          3.46      9.3

Comp/Atts            8/11      15/33

Pass yards              65        171

Comp pct              72.73      45.45

Punts                      6          1

Punting Yards          179        23

Punting Average      29.83      23

Fumbles/Lost          1/0        1/1

Penalties-yards      5-65        8-80

West Hardin

Passing

Name            Comp Att Pct  Yds TD INT

Tyler Copeland      8 11 72.73  65  0  0

Rushing

Name          Att Yds Yds/Att Long TD

Ethan Tubbs 15    64    4.27    0    1

Justin Doiron  5    7      1.4      0    1

B.J. Meche    3    11    3.67    0    0

Jerid Bordes    3    8    2.67    0    0

Receiving

Name            Rec    Yds Yds/Catch Long TD

Ethan Tubbs      2      24        12        0      0

Justin Doiron      1      14      14        0      0

Justin Lopez      3      18      6        0      0

Jerid Bordes      1        7        7        0      0

Hardin

Passing

Name                Comp Att  Pct      Yds  TD INT

Jordan Nolan        15  29    51.72  171    4  1

Garrett Cathriner    0    4      0        0      0  1

Rushing

Name                  Att Yds Yds/Att Long TD

Jordan Nolan          3  31    10.33    0    0

Daniel Marsh            1  16      16      0    0

Mitch Villemez        11  93    8.45    0    0

Garrett Cathriner      3    39      13    0    0

Luke King                2    2        1      0      0

John Stelly              6    69      11.5    0      0

Patrick Day              1    3        3      0      1

Receiving

Name                    Rec Yds Yds/Catch Long TD

Hunter Davis            6    72      12        0    2

Daniel Marsh            3    56      18.67    0    0

Mitch Villemez          1    9        9          0    0

Austin Collins          2    17      8.5        0    1

Dale Pitts                2      5      2.5        0      0

Patrick Day              1    12      12          0    1

I think he injured his leg/ankle making a tackle near/on the sideline,  his momentum carried him over and through and he landed on a chair/pavement.  However, I saw him trying to run later and thought he would be back in the 2nd half.  I had to leave at halftime, so I guess if he was on crutches after the half, then he didn't make it in then.

I know that Jordan Nolan had 3 TDs passing and 1 INT by halftime and John Stelly punched in another TD rushing (before the half).  Don't know how they scored after the half....

you can't blame Hardin for a preseason schedule set before the new head coach even got there.  BTW, Hardin has played a 3A and a 1A prior to this game.  You need to go find some other team in the district that is going to play like 4 straight 1A schools.  Anyway, I happen to think that Groveton is a very good 1A team and expect them to do good things before all is said and done.

hey dude...don't u know that on any given Friday, a team could struggle against another team????

Hardin up 37-15 with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter.

Hardin up 29-15 somewhere in the 3rd quarter.

Hardin up 21-7 at the half.

everybody is down a little bit this year.  I have not really seen any great volleyball teams yet this year.  There is a lot of parity right now in the area.  I watched the Evadale tourney and there were a lot of teams that could have beat each other on any given day.  No one team stood out at all there.

WOS in 4 games

while it is true that the game Kountze lost to Hardin was started without Johnson, she showed up and entered the game when the score was pretty even, like 5-5 or 7-6, etc.  So that cannot be used as an excuse as to why they lost that one game to Hardin.  However, I think that it will come down to Kountze and Hardin for top dog.

I believe that Groveton is top 10 ranked, but I still think that it will be a close one with Hardin pulling ahead.  Hardin looked very good against Tarkington, but game planning can vary so much on a weekly basis that I bet that Hardin and Groveton will do different things that they didn't do last week.

That being said, I think, Hardin by a touchdown.