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[quote name="jlh370" post="1161392" timestamp="1326810767"] To all PA Titan fans and parents, as the president of the organization, rest assure we will be playing ball next year, I will give each and everyone of you the details soon, I was working real diligently on resolving some issues.  As far as the comments here which have been made, no one knows the reasons for what took place including myself.  But we already have a solution and are progressing.  So if you are with us I ask that we move foward, the saying goes when one door closes another one opens, and believe you and me wait till you see what we have in store.  [/quote] Its funny how people on here are like.....GO TO A MEETING....ASK THE STJFL BOARD....THERE HAS TO BE A REASON GIVEN....THEY JUST WOULDN'T DO IT JUST BECAUSE..... We have the president of the organization, that attends everyboard meeting with STJFL, that says he didn't get a reason either..... Someone please tell me WHAT THE REASON COULD BE???????????? OH LET ME GUESS.....OUR SOCKS DIDN'T MATCH! STJFL...WHAT A JOKE!

[quote name="58SHW" post="1161570" timestamp="1326828001"] [quote author=Cheermom4 link=topic=94347.msg1161565#msg1161565 date=1326827476] [quote author=58SHW link=topic=94347.msg1161560#msg1161560 date=1326827256] [quote author=Cheermom4 link=topic=94347.msg1161552#msg1161552 date=1326827078] [quote author=BigTitan link=topic=94347.msg1161526#msg1161526 date=1326824872] [quote author=thetragichippy link=topic=94347.msg1161391#msg1161391 date=1326810650] Why don't you call them instead of hoping they read this forum? [Hidden Content] [/quote] Already tried buddy.  If you have a # to someone on the board, I would appreciate it. [/quote] Did you click on the link because I did and there are names and phone numbers.  I would assume where it says member that that person is the board member for the city is represents.  [b]Surely you could find someone out of all of those board members who will talk to you.[/b][/quote] From the sound of his last post on the other thread...he didnt even talk to the president from his own league in PA. [/quote] I did not see any board members from PA on the website.  They have Beaumont, Bridge City, Kountze, Little Cypress, Lumberton, Nederland, Orange Field, PN-G, Vidor and WOS listed. [/quote] According to the rules posted earlier on the other thread "leagues" do not representation on the board until after their first season...if they survive. I was talking about "jlh370"' who stated he was president of the PA league. He also stated he is working deligently to get a place for the kids in PA to play. Then BigTitan sounded suprised, by saying THANK YOU, thats all I asked for. If he had been in contact with that guy in the first place, he would know that PA board members (the president) didnt have answers as to why STJFL did what they did....but wasnt concerning his self with all that...he had a job to do...get the kids playing. [/quote] I am pretty sure that the expression of "THANK YOU" was for the excellent work that the president of Port Arthur is doing to make sure those kids have somewhere to play, not because he hasn't informed the parents. I am sure that he would like a reason to give those parents. It was stated that STJFL meetings were open to the public  but EXECUTIVE MEETINGS are not. And that was the meeting that Port Arthur was voted out! It hurts to see people defend what is WRONG just because of their affliations or social friendship. BIG TITAN: I am pretty sure that you would like an answer as well as everyone else. I keep seeing people post about contacting people, so let me help you out, but I doubt you get an answer! Because its hard to JUSTIFY this decision: Beaumont: James Graham 409-718-1080 and 409-781-9079 Lumberton: Chris Olexa (president) 409-351-9068 Nederland: Jason Lange (president) 409-543-1911 Port Neches: Mark Holmes (president) 409-960-1288 Vidor: Brock Galloway 409-351-0719 I called each one of these guys......lets see if you get a different answer!

[quote name="elhector1" post="1161235" timestamp="1326748205"] [quote author=58SHW link=topic=94298.msg1161212#msg1161212 date=1326743320] I dont have a dog in this hunt....or even know anything about either party. I just saw the race card and frankly get tired of it....[b][color=red]no one gains from taking that approach, even if it is fact[/color][/b]. Race is a barrier built by people who aren't tolerant of others that are different in looks only....both are equally bad....those who display it...and those who accuse (especially without proof)....the only way to break those barriers is to be the better person (on either side). Especially when kids are envolved....good luck PA figuring out whats best for the KIDS! [/quote] In other words, sit down, shut up, and do as you are told?  may not have been your intention, but that is how it came across... As for "playing the race card"...ifyou have gone through and eliminated any other issue that might have caused your community's removal from competition, and are only left with the "race card"...and the organization responsible for voting you out gives no valid reason as to why...then, to me at least, race MAY have played a part.  You acknowlege it in your post with the words "even if it is fact".  Why must folks be quiet when they are possibly being discriminated against?  THough I have no "dog in this hunt" as well, I CAN tell you that there are communitied in the Golden Triangle who teach their kids racist ways.  The saddest evidence that I have, you will consider hearsay, but it happened in an Orange County town,  but not the one that has been dragged through the mud in the media.  I was walking across the field with my team mother, who was African American, and heard one little flag player exclaim to his friend "how could you let that little ****** beat you"?  I was going to go over to the kid to ask to talk to his parents, but that team mom stopped me...and told me that it was no big deal, she had gotten used to it...I was dumbfounded.  She was being the bigger person, but I wonder what happened to that little boy who had no idea what he had said?  In the same way, STJFL needs to step up, explain their actions, and clear the air.  They voted them out, they need to say why.  If they don't, of course people will speculate about it, right or wrong... [/quote] I personally appreciate it when a person looks from the outside in, instead of defending something/someone just on the fact that the "RACE CARD" has been played. Facts are facts and harshly as they seem. There was no reason given to why this has happened to Port Arthur, and there will not be a STJFL rep, (that governs this site) to step up and explain anything. Not because they feel that it was a justifiable thing to do, no one will step up because it was THE WRONG THING TO DO! And instead of allowing children to play together, they instead decide the best thing to do is not to associate! WOW STJFL......WAY TO SHOW YOUR KIDS WHAT NOT TO DO! I am pretty sure that Port Arthur will bounce back against adversity and succeed! GO TITANS!

[quote name="58SHW" post="1161194" timestamp="1326741077"] [quote author=TITANS2011 link=topic=94298.msg1161185#msg1161185 date=1326739186] [quote author=BigTitan link=topic=94298.msg1160270#msg1160270 date=1326594511] Is there someone that can explain why Port Arthur was voted out of the STJFL.  There is no reason for denying our kids to play in this league that has teams from all over the area.  Its only proper for someone that was involoved in the process to explain what happened.  This is wrong on so many levels.  STJFL, its time to step up and do some explaining. [/quote] Lets be honest here. It is a shame that Port Arthur were voted out of STJFL. We can all blame it on violations, cheating, stacking and many other reasons. But the truth will never come out! It was one thing for the Port Arthur kids to have good talent and win their games but it becomes a problem in STJFL League when they win too many games! If anyone remembers, Port Arthur was punished for the assuption of STACKING, in which STJFL punished them by taking playoff opportuinity away. A punishment that was harsh but also taken with pride and the kids still had an opportunity to participate. During the entire football season, there are only a handful of incidents that can be named out of all their 5 teams, compared to other STJFL teams that had MORE THAN A FEW! Is this a good enough reason why the entire organization is kicked out? No! Unfortunatly, many don't want to admit it, but I am pretty sure that athletic ability and [size=14pt][color=red][u][b]race played a part of it[/b][/u][/color][/size]! It is just sad that in the yr of 2012 people are still discriminated against, and most of all it not only affects the adults, but about 150 children as well. There should have been a better resolution to this situation, but to STJFL kicking Port Arthur out was their solution. I know that everyboy don't agree and this is a fourm of opinions, this is just mine [/quote] And as long as people like you get on here and spew this crap without facts to support it....it will stay live and well....but then again, its become expected not only on this site but most anywhere... Why not offer facts (if known) or wait until they are...rather than make assumptions to this degree....if RACE is in fact the reason and you KNOW that and can PROVE that...then those  responsible should be punished while returning PA to the league....if you cant...then it just make those playing the "race card" look all the more ignorant! [/quote] You want facts okay! #1. Stjfl punished Port Arthur for improper registration. A punishment that was served out #2. Port Arthur played a great season without altercations that lead up to indefinate suspension, disqualifications, or MPRs not being met. #3. Port Arthur's overall wins vs. loses were the best in the league. #4. The fate of Port Arthur was not an issue during the entire season. #5. Port Arthur's kids were not able to participated in the Super Bowl to be crowned champions but they were asked to participate in the Pro Bowl (to help the other teams) WHAT MORE CAN I SAY or WHAT OTHER FACTS DO YOU WANT? Let me guess these facts are all reason why Port Arthur should STAY IN STJFL? Or are these facts the reason WHY THEY WERE KICKED OUT? QUOTE: The only thing worst than someone being racist, is PRETENDING THAT THEY ARE NOT!

[quote name="BigTitan" post="1160270" timestamp="1326594511"] Is there someone that can explain why Port Arthur was voted out of the STJFL.  There is no reason for denying our kids to play in this league that has teams from all over the area.  Its only proper for someone that was involoved in the process to explain what happened.  This is wrong on so many levels.  STJFL, its time to step up and do some explaining. [/quote] Lets be honest here. It is a shame that Port Arthur were voted out of STJFL. We can all blame it on violations, cheating, stacking and many other reasons. But the truth will never come out! It was one thing for the Port Arthur kids to have good talent and win their games but it becomes a problem in STJFL League when they win too many games! If anyone remembers, Port Arthur was punished for the assuption of STACKING, in which STJFL punished them by taking playoff opportuinity away. A punishment that was harsh but also taken with pride and the kids still had an opportunity to participate. During the entire football season, there are only a handful of incidents that can be named out of all their 5 teams, compared to other STJFL teams that had MORE THAN A FEW! Is this a good enough reason why the entire organization is kicked out? No! Unfortunatly, many don't want to admit it, but I am pretty sure that athletic ability and race played a part of it! It is just sad that in the yr of 2012 people are still discriminated against, and most of all it not only affects the adults, but about 150 children as well. There should have been a better resolution to this situation, but to STJFL kicking Port Arthur out was their solution. I know that everyboy don't agree and this is a fourm of opinions, this is just mine

[quote name="unbelievable" post="1079576" timestamp="1318297816"] [quote author=TITANS2011 link=topic=89613.msg1079411#msg1079411 date=1318283384] [quote author=unbelievable link=topic=89613.msg1079407#msg1079407 date=1318282944] The answer to that is easy:  Everyone else plays by the rules. We are busy playing youth football, which by the way, is why we are here. No one is pointing any fingers at PA, we don't need to, ya'll do a good job of making yourselves the center of attention.  Try flying under the radar for a while.  Being combative is obviously getting you no where. [/quote] That is the difference between intentionally and unintentionally; Things that were done by PORT ARTHUR were probably due to 1st time mistakes, but "FLYING UNDER THE RADOR" like you stated is being nothing but SNEAKY! And your right, being combative is not getting anyone anywhere, so just make sure that you address THE OTHER COMBATIVE PEOPLE on this site, not just PORT ARTHUR! THANKS! what I meant by "flying under the radar" was relax and just play football.  stop making an issue out of everything - you are creating even more problems for yourselves.  take the punishment you were dealt and embrace it - plan to do better next year.  stop making it everyone else's fault that you guys can't go the playoffs. [/quote] [/quote] Let me just say that everyone has an opinion! And it seems like all the back lash is coming towards Port Arthur for doing exactly what everyone else on this site is doing. Defending themselves. If u were on the original post you would have seen the original question! It was asked where does PA stand in the PeeWee ranking. No one asked about playoffs. No one asked about stacking. No one asked about any other team and what is going on in their league. It was then brought up that PA don't matter because they can't go to the playoffs anyway! And that they are cheaters! Anyone would want to defend what was said about them. But then it was taken too fair. I must agree! The decesion that was made by the league was one that was their own! But the problem still goes on whenan stjfl member comes on and expresses their decesion and things about the board to everyone e! That was very one sided. I guess reparmanding the people that is for port Arthur is the only way to mend what was said. Oh well!

[quote name="unbelievable" post="1079407" timestamp="1318282944"] The answer to that is easy:  Everyone else plays by the rules. We are busy playing youth football, which by the way, is why we are here. No one is pointing any fingers at PA, we don't need to, ya'll do a good job of making yourselves the center of attention.  Try flying under the radar for a while.  Being combative is obviously getting you no where. [/quote] That is the difference between intentionally and unintentionally; Things that were done by PORT ARTHUR were probably due to 1st time mistakes, but "FLYING UNDER THE RADOR" like you stated is being nothing but SNEAKY! And your right, being combative is not getting anyone anywhere, so just make sure that you address THE OTHER COMBATIVE PEOPLE on this site, not just PORT ARTHUR! THANKS!

[quote name="teamraider" post="1079332" timestamp="1318278891"] [quote author=TITANS2011 link=topic=89613.msg1079211#msg1079211 date=1318274164] I guess the truth hurts about STACKING. The entire forum was removed due to some people spilling the beans on how some teams are picked when they have more that one team in their division. Older kids from last year goes on one team and the younger kids (less experienced) goes on another. AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT PNG DOES AND HAS BEEN DOING FOR A FEW YEARS! If that is not true, I guess PNG might want to tell their ORGANIZATION to be QUIET!!!!! [/quote] The last topic was deleted so you start another opening with "The Truth Hurts"? The STJFL looked very carefully at the Port Arthur situation... Spent hours on it in fact. The truth is there were guidelines that have worked for this organization for years that were not followed by PA even though other associations continually offered to help you guys through the first year. Most of the details have not been released because nobody wanted to air PA's laundry the way you seem to want to. But the majority of the associations you claim want to keep PA out actually voted you in so your claim makes no sense. But with that said, PA is still on probation because you are still in your first year so your "Big Bad Wolves" have not technically been voted in yet. There is no secret that several associations are now reconsidering their original vote and not because of the draft situation but due to how several of it's members have acted since the violation. An example of that is how you are acting right now. I believe your president has already spoken to you about this once... at least he was asked to. An open forum is not a place to vent your frustrations... And this one even has rules against what you are doing. However, the STJFL has monthly meetings and you need to have your association bring your issues there rather than compare your situation to every other issue within the organization. PNG has never been accused of stacking a team or any other draft violation and if you have knowledge of one (other than they have a team better than the other) you should inform your local board. The Lumberton issue you keep referring to was looked into just as thoroughly as the PA issue and no violations were found. As for the woman you said lost her job... I don't know why she lost her job, but I do know that she made remarks that put the place where she worked into a situation they did not want to be in by expressing her views that were not in line with theirs. In my opinion that is a lesson some people should learn from. [/quote] Like I stated before, I am a new to this site! The opinions made on this site should not reflect the port arthur organizations in anyway. These are the emotions and views of the port arthur community! I am no way, shape, or form apart of the organization, so I do not know what their president has spoken to them on. I do not have anyone that plays on either team, I am just a football fanatic and decided to state my opinion just like everyone else. I think that it is VERY WEIRED that an STJFL MEMBER has decided to step in and address the situation and deleted the last forum because some people are in favor of port arthur. I HAVEN'T SEEN A STJFL MEMBER address anything/anyone else! Before I made my comment, there were some PRETTY NASTY things that were said, and not once have those things been discussed or addressed! Your port were strictly to PORT ARTHUR and not to the other persons on here. And how fair is that. If you are a STJFL MEMBER (and from your knowledge of monthly meetings and the way things were done) makes it seem even worse by you only addressing PORT ARTHUR. Is it because you didn't like what was being said about other teams, or was it the simple fact that the PORT ARTHUR COMMUNITY pointed out some great facts about other teams? Being fair is all that PORT ARTHUR wants!!!!!

[quote name="plaball89" post="1079327" timestamp="1318278517"] [quote author=DJ4RM P.A. link=topic=89613.msg1079308#msg1079308 date=1318277417] [b]So first port neches on the forum saying how they put the older kids on one team and younger kids on another [/b] now since u realize you were incriminatin your self and fyibthe reason the kids were turned around in port Arthur were due to lack of funds since it was our first year so we took who came first as for you guys placing your kids on team that is stacking but now you wanna say y'all draft now (bulls#$*) [/quote] NO! Thats what YOU wanted it to read. That is not what was said. We do it right over here. Hopefully yall will next year. [/quote] if you were not in the original forum, you didn't get the full story. In the ORIGINAL FORUM, it was stated that the younger kids automatically go to one coach and the other kids that played last yr or have the experience goes to the other team. It is not about losing to PNG. The point that I was making is that it was stated that the Pee Wee team was stacked in Port Arthur. And that was not the case! As far as us being "MAD" at losing, that is another story! It was stated that the refs of that game done a poor job calling the game. And they ADMITTED THAT THEY DID! But that still doesn't take the loss back! Oh Well to that! The point of the matter is there is NO way that 1 team is undefeated and 1 "CAN'T WIN"  a game if they wanted to! Or at least that is what quoted! If the draft was done correctly there should be an EQUAL amount OF GOOD TALENT on all the teams not just 1. Now explain again why the TALENT is all on 1 team! LOGICALLY! Instead of saying that the coaches picked it this way! One coach decided to lose while the other decides to take all THE TALENT and win! Sounds pretty stacked to me!

[quote author=gunning for u link=topic=89613.msg1079253#msg1079253 date=1318275347] I can tell you this for sure as fact. That does not happen at pn. every year they draft.it is up to the coaches to draft the players. some teams may be better for the upcoming year due to the kids they had from the previous year.those kids stay on that team and they pick from there from rounds 1 on. when the kids move up they are all drafted again. 2 coaches picks are allowed. if you are a coach and your kid plays that's 1 pick. so no it does not happen, however sometimes they just have a good younger pool from the previous year and maybe they dont need much after that. if the coaches who take over for that year do not know the kids that well and don't draft good it may appear that way but i promise it is not.maybe in other organizations but definatly not at png. if you were not in the original forum, you didn't get the full story. In the ORIGINAL FORUM, it was stated that the younger kids automatically go to one coach and the other kids that played last yr or have the experience goes to the other team. It is not about losing to PNG. The point that I was making is that it was stated that the Pee Wee team was stacked in Port Arthur. And that was not the case! As far as us being "MAD" at losing, that is another story! It was stated that the refs of that game done a poor job calling the game. And they ADMITTED THAT THEY DID! But that still doesn't take the loss back! Oh Well to that! The point of the matter is there is NO way that 1 team is undefeated and 1 "CAN'T WIN"  a game if they wanted to! Or at least that is what quoted! If the draft was done correctly there should be an EQUAL amount OF GOOD TALENT on all the teams not just 1. Now explain again why the TALENT is all on 1 team! LOGICALLY! Instead of saying that the coaches picked it this way! One coach decided to lose while the other decides to take all THE TALENT and win! Sounds pretty stacked to me!

I guess the truth hurts about STACKING. The entire forum was removed due to some people spilling the beans on how some teams are picked when they have more that one team in their division. Older kids from last year goes on one team and the younger kids (less experienced) goes on another. AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT PNG DOES AND HAS BEEN DOING FOR A FEW YEARS! If that is not true, I guess PNG might want to tell their ORGANIZATION to be QUIET!!!!!

[quote name="plaball89" post="1079097" timestamp="1318269907"] [quote author=DaKing74 link=topic=89596.msg1079038#msg1079038 date=1318266646] Stacked PA lol it's funny when the team that was accused of stacking was pa juniors and they have lost two games other organizations have 2 teams where one team can't by a win """""PNG-P"""" and another team where they can't lose on """"PNG-G""""" pee wee thats SOUNDS STACKED !!but there are lots of friends that are scared of the power of WO-S and PA so stone stones are thrown...so enjoy this year because no matter what the scared little organizations do the big bad wolfs are here!!!!!!!! [/quote] Obviously, daqueen, the Purple team isnt very good because they are very young and inexperienced compared to the Gray team or the White team which was in the same boat last year. 1st year coaches usually pick young teams. 2 year coaches usually pick older kids. The draft is fair and legit here at PNG. Nobody here is scared of your big bad wolves BUD! [/quote] I am very new on here and I have been reading all of the facts and FICTION things that have been said and want to clear the air! First off......(under the information under stjfl's site) when there are more than 1 team in a league, there is a "DRAFT" and within that draft the coaches pick the players that they want. Just because they are a "1st" year coach does not mean they automatically get the younger kids. What is "SUPPOSSED" to happen is that the coaches get together and pick the kids (regardless of age or experience). If that's what PNG done, then the coach of PNG-P (0-6 record) knows that he WILL LOSE because he has the youngest/unexperienced players. In reality, PNG-G took the kids that have been playing and are better and threw the other coaches under the bus because they are playing with the "TRASH"! And let me also just say....Nederland-W is (0-6) while the Nederland-B is (4-2). Let me guess those are new coaches also.... Yeah right. Those coaches have been there for a while. So what is the excuse that their team is 0-6. I guess their coaches said "I'LL TAKE THE YOUNG KIDS AND LOSE" 2ND.....From my understanding PA Jr team was the team "ACCUSSED OF STACKING" What does that have to do with the PeeWee team? Never once were their kids looked at or "ACCUSSED OF STACKING". Yes, they are not able to go to the play offs but that decision was made off of FEAR in what Port Arthur has to offer! We have coaches and children fighting at the games, Lumberton with a 25 man roaster, when more kids signed up in time to play, We have Nederland who's coach showed horrible sportmanship and QUIT, and all that was overlooked and everyone's hand was smacked because it was 'THEM' who did it. Lets just be honest. There are some people that NEVER wanted Port Arthur to become apart of the STJFL league because THEY know that the talent of Port Arthur brings the FEAR out of them and they decided to CHEAT the kids instead of penalizing the PROBLEM!