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[quote name="I_Can_Do_It_ALL!" post="1218322" timestamp="1336147276"]
I was merely commenting he is a good QB... But I don't think he is the best in that district. I never accused anyone of saying he was the best in that district. He's not 6'6", I've seen him play basketball [b]and at track[/b]. He is more like 6'4" (maybe) and 5.0.
220 is more like 200, but a good QB none the less!!
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You've seen him at track? Fitzwater has never ran at any track meet, neither has he competed in any field events, and as far as this year goes i've been to all the track meets and he hasn't been at one, so unless your secretley spying on him I think its highly unlikely you've seen the kid up close as many times as you say, also if you've seen him play basketball you might wanna remember back when Cedric Reed played for Cleveland he was guarded by Fitz, Reed is listed by the University of Texas at 6ft4 inches tall and Fitzwater was clearly taller than Reed when the two played against each other, also Texas State has Ryan Melton listed at 6ft 6 inches tall and I've seen Melton and Fitzwater up close on numerous occations and Fitz looks a little taller but definetly not shorter than him.

[quote name="I_Can_Do_It_ALL!" post="1218322" timestamp="1336147276"]
I was merely commenting he is a good QB... But I don't think he is the best in that district. I never accused anyone of saying he was the best in that district. He's not 6'6", I've seen him play basketball and at track. He is more like 6'4" (maybe) and 5.0.
220 is more like 200, but a good QB none the less!!
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I'm glad you know him so well. He isn't the best QB in the district? The college scouts will tell otherwise, when Scott, Taylor, and Townley will not play at the level Fitzwater will, 1 they aren't as good, 2 they aren't 6ft6 inches tall and weighing 219 pounds, Fitzwater's legit height and weight at the under armour combine.

[quote name="I_Can_Do_It_ALL!" post="1218230" timestamp="1336140670"]
Didn't Liberty's D give up almost 70 to Coldspring? To say you scored more on a team that was OBVIOUSLY resting players and getting ready for the playoffs is FUNNY!! Wasn't it the last game of the year? Didn't Coldspring bring up a ton of JV players?
The size of your receivers is GROSSLY exaggerated, and its easy to cover kids that aren't very fast.
Someone in your district was able to cover your receivers LP6? Fitzwater gets bigger with every post! I am pretty sure you wont come out of non-district 5-0 and talking smack like last year!!
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Glad you were at the game and just no the entire situation, CS played their starters for 4 quarters, Liberty scored 13 points on their starters, when they did pull players we continued to throw fairly well on them obviously it wasn't too good but no it wasn't on their Jv and all 63 points they scored were with their first team on the field. The size of the WR's isn't exaggerated at all, once again Vaught who will be playing football at Trinity next year is 6ft4 inches tall, Daniel Fitzwater who will sign with a division 1 football team is 6ft6 219 pounds, then 2 star Texas State signee Ryan Melton for right tackle who played WR/TE is 6ft6 inches tall, all three of those guys you should be able to confirm their height online somewhere, and then 6ft3 sophomore Aaron Mosley is still too young, but the height isn't exaggerated if you've ever seen him play.

[quote name="Mike_Honcho" post="1218323" timestamp="1336147351"]
Chris Taylor from cleveland is one to watch
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Next year will be Liberty's QB's 3rd year to start, CS's Aflred Scott will also be in his 3rd year under center, and Taylor for Cleveland who served as the wildcat QB last year will be back, he's a phenomenal athlete and in the two games I saw him play he was the better of the two QB's.

What did WOS do over the offseason after their loss to Coldspring that put them in the talks of the best team in SETX and not have Coldpsring in the same conversation?

[quote name="I_Can_Do_It_ALL!" post="1217679" timestamp="1336070004"]
Liberty's offense was the most productive because of their none district opponents. They did not have the most productive in 22-3A... I am referring to when district games started.
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EC played Kelly, H.J, and Orangefield.... Liberty played Kelly as well only difference they won and EC lost, H.J is no better than Porter if not worse, same for Orangefield, bear in mind Liberty defeated Porter 42-7 their only TD coming in the final minutes of the game, Hardin is obvioulsy not as good as Kelly but they weren't too far behind H.J and Orangefield, and same goes for Huntington, EC had just as weak a non-district or even weaker non-district schedule than Liberty, but Liberty came out 4-0 and EC did not, so if they could "produce more offense" than Liberty, why didn't they? You guys are apparently underestimating the talents of 6ft6 219 Daniel Fitzwater, the signal caller for the panthers. No one in East Chambers, Newton, Hardin, Kountze, Anahuac, Buna, Woodville, Warren, can compare to the athleticism and pure talent that Fitzwater posseses, not to mention the fact that their aren't any DB's other than Justin Albritton of Anahuac who was injured last year, in that entire district that could cover the 6'3 Aaron Mosley, 6'6 Ryan Melton, 6'4 Jake Vaught or be able to run with the speed of Jordan Jones, so no their is NO team in that ENTIRE DISTRICT that could "produce more offense" than Liberty, and if the o-line is fixed, they won't be able to next year either.

[quote name="jdb44" post="1217461" timestamp="1336014602"]
I don't know who HD has who can or can't play QB, but if I had a son in a backup spot in say Liberty or the surrounding area, I would be looking for a house in the HD school district.
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I understand you guys excitement with the new staff, but at the end of the day your still a team who didn't make the playoffs last years in a very small 1A district, and a team that graduated your best players from that non playoff team, so I doubt anyone in Liberty would leave a program that last year finally got back to the playoffs, this season saw major improvement at 7-3 but barely missing out on the playoffs by 5 points, and as far as a backup QB from Liberty ours graduated, and the upcoming spot is to be determined, but it's highly unlikely that anyone would leave Liberty for HD at this point in time.

[quote name="knows2much" post="1216758" timestamp="1335883237"]
[quote author=LP2012 link=topic=97792.msg1216738#msg1216738 date=1335881009]
Liberty would have won that district. Please name two schools in that district that could have stopped Liberty's offense.
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I can name 3 teams that would have "produced more" offense than Liberty. East Chambers, Newton, Anahuac..  Buna may have been able too also.  You'll find out..  You guys play Newton and Buna next year.  Then we'll talk
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Are you clinically insane? PA Memorial, Coldspring, Dayton, BH those teams couldn't "produce more" offense than Liberty hence the NUMBER ONE MOST PRODUCTIVE offense in south east Texas for the regular season, much less EC buna and these other Randoms lol

[quote name="AggiesAreWe" post="1208415" timestamp="1334064707"]
I wonder if Stevenash is still giving 3-1 odds on Prudhomme getting a DI scholarship?

I know that he could still "wind up" at a DI, but it will have to be after 1-2 years at a JUCO.

I guess we need Steve to clarify if he meant that his bet was for Shawn to get the DI scholly out of high school and not juco.
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I may be wrong, but that kind of seemed like an " I told you so " post, which wouldn't be very nice considering how hard the young man worked to get where he is, and now people are saying its JUCO not D-1, so what? He's getting an education and doing what he loves, congrats.

congrats

congrats!

[quote name="H-D BOBCAT 55" post="1206296" timestamp="1333564898"]
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[quote author=H-D BOBCAT 55 link=topic=98530.msg1206176#msg1206176 date=1333553271]
Thanks. I can see us going 4-3 against that schedule. So 3-3 [b]since 0 week don't count[/b]. Groveton, Lovelady and Normangee will be tough.
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Either you'r and idiot, or you'r an idiot, because if you'r trying to say that you will easily beat Hardin you'r an idiot, and if you were just mistaken and didn't think week 0 counted then your defintely an idiot.
[/quote]Wish I could see you in person!  ;) lol. Hardin will be crushed!!  ;D
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I wont be in town during that game, or else I'd personally come tell you I told you so, but instead I'll just come back on this thread and quote you after your loss.

[quote name="H-D BOBCAT 55" post="1206176" timestamp="1333553271"]
Thanks. I can see us going 4-3 against that schedule. So 3-3 [b]since 0 week don't count[/b]. Groveton, Lovelady and Normangee will be tough.
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Either you'r and idiot, or you'r an idiot, because if you'r trying to say that you will easily beat Hardin you'r an idiot, and if you were just mistaken and didn't think week 0 counted then your defintely an idiot.

[quote name="GCMPats" post="1203262" timestamp="1332976364"]
[quote author=SFA85 link=topic=98196.msg1203247#msg1203247 date=1332972591]
If I were Yates or any other school that struggles in baseball, I'd drop it.  Just like Lee(Houston) doesn't play football.  No big deal.  It's baseball....
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Seeing as baseball is a thinking mans sport, probably a good idea.
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What you trying to say?

[quote name="understand" post="1201806" timestamp="1332652440"]
Tony Brown may do a good job but west brook is not ozen and ozen didnt stop anyone, ozen team was all offense with 4 three year offense linemans that started three years we've see next year what they will do without does 4 ;  3 year linemans; oh how did i forget TREY GREEN
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Not accurate at all, I'm not even from anywhere near Ozen, but I watched them play BH, Brenham and LaMarque, they defintely had defense, you didn't see that Brenham team that Ozen stopped, or else you wouldn't be saying they had no D plus they held LaMarque in the low 20's

[quote name="knows2much" post="1203522" timestamp="1333031625"]
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[quote author=knows2much link=topic=97792.msg1200984#msg1200984 date=1332507938]
If you combine liberty, hardin, and hd...  they still wouldn't make the playoffs in hardin's district.
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This past year Liberty would have won that district. Next year we play Newton and Buna, or one or the other or both IDK. and if we get things settled on the o-line you'll see how good Hardin's district compares to Liberty, we also destroyed Hardin 49-0 this past season, and they weren't even the last place team in their district, if we combined with them and HD, we'd walk through distict, if we entered their district without the two schools, we'd walk through district.
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Wow Liberty beat hardin by 40+.....  so did West Hardin.  and West Hardin got 3rd in Daisetta's district and wasn't even close to 1 and 2.  The top 4 teams in hardin's district hung 50 on them...

Trust me...Liberty should feel lucky to be in that weak 3A district (other than colspring, huffman).  We'll see if you feel the same way after 1st three games next season
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Cleveland, Splendora both would have beat Hardin lol

[quote name="knows2much" post="1200984" timestamp="1332507938"]
If you combine liberty, hardin, and hd...  they still wouldn't make the playoffs in hardin's district.
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This past year Liberty would have won that district. Next year we play Newton and Buna, or one or the other or both IDK. and if we get things settled on the o-line you'll see how good Hardin's district compares to Liberty, we also destroyed Hardin 49-0 this past season, and they weren't even the last place team in their district, if we combined with them and HD, we'd walk through distict, if we entered their district without the two schools, we'd walk through district.

[quote name="uandme08" post="1202291" timestamp="1332798534"]
Don't count my Panthers out just yet although we are used to being the underdog. We have more than just Jakobi coming back plus you never know who just may make a special appearance. Yes, losing Trey will have its effects but we shall return lol.....
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I wouldn't count anyone out of that district, it seems every year any team can compete, especially with the fact that most of the schools are so close you never know when your starting RB can become the starting RB of one of your district opponets lol.

[quote name="H-D BOBCAT 55" post="1202547" timestamp="1332864816"]
[quote author=LP6 link=topic=97862.msg1202495#msg1202495 date=1332856503]
HD Bobcat55 your insane. I can almost see your argument that HD has had better teams in the past, but more athletes? There is no way. As a 4 then a 3a we've had way more athletes than HD, I can honestly say there is more athletes on the 2010-2011 and 2011-2012 panther teams than in HD's history, with Ryan Melton 6ft6 260 D1 Commited to Texas State, 6ft o linemen Jon Lacefield Commited to Texas Lutheran, 6ft6 219 pound qb Daniel fitzwater, 6ft3 sophomore WR Aaron Mosley, 6ft4 TE Jake Vaught ( offers at the next level but may take an academic route) Jordan Jones(no need to tell you about him you should already know) 300 pound d tackle Omar tebo went to state in powerlifting in the highest weight class, a lot of talent here at liberty whether or not Huffman and Cleveland want to acknowledge that is their own problem because if Deel can get these guys together they will be dangerous, also Dionte Robinson has speed like no other he would our run Chisholm Marberry with boots on, and unlike you I have seen all of these guys play as well as all of the 2010-2011 Bobcats.
[/quote]H-D top players vs Liberty top players. Hands down H-D would win! Remember I'm talking All-Time top players. Not just since 2000.

The Top 25 H-D Bobcat Football Players of All Time IMO Revised: 1. Ross Echols(Texas), 2. Gene Walker, 3. Parnell Lykes, 4. George Westbrook, 5. Anthony Landry(Army), 6. Ed Taylor(Baylor), 7. Joe Allen Slack, 8. Juan Gamez(Ranger), 9. Stepheleon Whitfield, 10. Tony Thibedeaux, 11. Robert Tanner, 12. David Cooper, 13. Arnell Lykes, 14. Larry Eaglin(Houston Oilers), 15. Jim Arceneaux(Sam Houston), 16. Ahmad Lambert, 17. T.J. Walker, 18. Thomas Rodgers(UTEP), 19. Eric Redfern, 20. Sedric Broussard, 21. Ashante Allen(Cisco), 22. Stevie Broussard, 23. Kenneth Winters(SFA), 24. Johnny Downs, 25. Brandon Broom(SFA)
Don't know where they all went to college.
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None of those guys were top ten in the Fab 55, as was Donald Douglas, he was better than anyone on that list, played QB for The University of Florida as a true freshmen. Anthony Chambers, I don't need to tell you about him he is on your HD staff and better than anyone to ever play for HD, but just incase you forgot he played for Purdue where he was the return specialist/WR and returned a punt for a touchdown against Penn State, Reggie White went on to play for Oklahoma State where he rushed for 1000+ as a junior then declared for the NFL draft. Tony Bua left Arkansas as the all time leading tackler in school history, and had one of the most memorable blocks in NFL history where he knocked out two guys in one blow. Not to mention countless division 2 and 3 players every year that come out of Liberty, even when were down, those 1-9 teams had guys like James Freeman go and play for Tarleton, Jeremy Dickey Texas State, Josh Sell Texas State, August Roberts Howard Payne, Jon Lacefield Texas Lutheran, and many others, the past season your best player (Chisholm) is going to a school in the middle of no where, while we have one going D1 to Texas State, another to Texas Lutheran, and 6ft4 Tight End Jake Vaught has an offer from Trinity, with 6ft6 219 pound Fitzwater and 6ft 300+ pound Omar Tebo #6 in the state power lifter while running a 4.9 as a junior both players sure to get D1 offers. Overall, Liberty has not only had way more players go on to play college ball, but more successful players as well.

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1202633" timestamp="1332876924"]
[quote author=slim shady link=topic=95361.msg1202620#msg1202620 date=1332875552]
What about Splendora or Shepherd......either of them have a chance......Splendora is always competitve, but have had alot of turnover lately....does that effect them?
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Splendora might have a chance to battle with Cleveland and Liberty for the 3rd spot, but I don't see shepherd doing anything.
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Without Macanally Splendora won't do a thing, they will probably give Cleveland, Huffman, and Liberty a little resistance defensively but that's about it.

[quote name="slim shady" post="1202620" timestamp="1332875552"]
What about Splendora or Shepherd......either of them have a chance......Splendora is always competitve, but have had alot of turnover lately....does that effect them?
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Splendora has more kids than any other team in the district, but for some reason as of late they haven't had much on the field. Shepherd had that one year when they brought the new coach in but that was it. As of now it's CS at the top, Huffman Cleveland and Liberty will compete for the rest. And Falcon I am not dreski or any of them, my old username was AOO7, dreski was banned from this board and I haven't seen him back since, and yes the Liberty PLAYERS KIDS CHILDREN did try and start a fight at the end of the game, well IDK if they started it but it was all the way across the field on the opposite sideline so IDK exactly what happend, and yes this is all he said she said, but either way I dont think Huffman is any more classy than Liberty. And like i said before I gave you my reasons for thinking liberty would beat Huffman all the way up until that night, I dont regret anything I said on here, I had my reason why I thought liberty was the better team and I already stated them

HD Bobcat55 your insane. I can almost see your argument that HD has had better teams in the past, but more athletes? There is no way. As a 4 then a 3a we've had way more athletes than HD, I can honestly say there is more athletes on the 2010-2011 and 2011-2012 panther teams than in HD's history, with Ryan Melton 6ft6 260 D1 Commited to Texas State, 6ft o linemen Jon Lacefield Commited to Texas Lutheran, 6ft6 219 pound qb Daniel fitzwater, 6ft3 sophomore WR Aaron Mosley, 6ft4 TE Jake Vaught ( offers at the next level but may take an academic route) Jordan Jones(no need to tell you about him you should already know) 300 pound d tackle Omar tebo went to state in powerlifting in the highest weight class, a lot of talent here at liberty whether or not Huffman and Cleveland want to acknowledge that is their own problem because if Deel can get these guys together they will be dangerous, also Dionte Robinson has speed like no other he would our run Chisholm Marberry with boots on, and unlike you I have seen all of these guys play as well as all of the 2010-2011 Bobcats.

[quote name="Socrates" post="1201753" timestamp="1332629433"]
That kid is going to be special before he is done, he is very impressive.
Good win for Liberty, tough on for Shepherd. Crazy year thus far in 22-AAA.
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He's very good. Great job Panthers, let's hope they can keep it together and continue to better themselves throughout district play.

Well from what this guy is saying, congratulations HD on a great hire. They may not be very talented, they may not have many athletes, they may have never been able to beat Liberty  ;), but I can say that the football players in HD always seem to have great work ethic when it comes to the game, the only aspect of HD that I wish Liberty had is that work ethic, not so much this last season but in general at least they have that.

[quote name="falconfanatic" post="1200899" timestamp="1332471983"]
[quote author=OldTimer link=topic=95361.msg1200878#msg1200878 date=1332470586]
OK Huffman fans - Huffman at this time and for the last few years has been better than Liberty - but just like you stated about Liberty why don't you get past the 2nd round of the playoffs before you start pounding you chest about how good you are.  Huffman benefits from the same issues that Liberty does - they play in a weak district  and therefore make the playoffs every year and are guaranteed 4 - 5 wins by the benefit of being in 22AAA.  Other than Coldsprings really the next level of this district is not that strong and fairly equal over the years and gloating about being the 2nd or 3rd best team in 22AAA is not stating much. 

I personally like Huffman and always have as I think that their program is generally run with class and does the best with the talent that they have - but to make such comments about any other program that your program is not that much better than (over the long run) is kinda childish.  I do agree also that enrollment while a factor is not always an issue and as the Huffman fans stated Coldsprings is the smallest enrollment in the district and has been always been one of  the better teams in the distrtict and area for that matter.
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This was not started by Huffman fans. It was started by arrogant Liberty fans( some of whom have since been banned) who got on here and said Liberty would win district and slaughter Huffman before the season even started. So I am going to make sure I get in every shot I can against those arrogant Liberty fans that are left.
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The arrogance lies within the Huffman fan base, if I remember correctly I was told and old man who was on the Huffman side nearly 3 hours early shouted at the Liberty players as they were walking their field before the game and said, " Yall better enjoy this undefeated record because in a couple of hours that (enter bad word here lol) is over. Of course he immediately shut his mouth with 6'0 200 pound Dennis Antoine responded, now this is just a story I heard from some people, but either way Huffman fans in general are way more arrogant, we had just suffered a 56-7 beating the previous year, we were looking really good on the field and I had personally seen Huffman play once before Liberty last season, so I thought I had enough reason to believe that we would beat Huffman and compete for a district title, I wasn't "talking my head off" like some of the othe LP posters, without having any knowledge, I stated my reason for believing this and to this day I still believe on another night LP had what it took to beat Huffman, that's my opinion, but it is a fact that on any given night LP would have beat Cleveland, now I know that's not factual either it's also an opinion, but I firmly believe and always will that Liberty was better than Cleveland, and with the o-line graduating this year I can't come back and say we will show yall next year because it's a different team out there, but I hope Coach Deel can get them together and get some pay back for last season, because I know that team was crushed after both of those losses and I'm sure those players will be thinking about that for the rest of their lives, now they won't think twice about the loss to Coldsprings because that was a done deal, but like I said before, Liberty doesn't consider themselves below Huffman or Cleveland and never will, we won't look at you like Coldsprings, well unless you consider that before the game starts we will look at all of three of you the same because Liberty won't just back down before a contest, but you know what I mean.