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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1197746" timestamp="1331839873"] [quote author=Rockin A link=topic=97596.msg1197735#msg1197735 date=1331838649] Majic or Magic? Magic & Bird are about as equal as two stars can be.  I'll admit I'm biased, and as such, Bird would be the focus of my team.  I'd take a quiet leader over a flashy one any day.  P.S.  Who is this "Majic" the former assistant coach keeps referring to? [/quote] Auto correct on my cell phone...it is MAGIC....The "former assistant coach" has forgotten more basketball than most of you know...think about that one for a moment..... Once again I don't know HOW this became about ME again, but it is only one man's HUMBLE opinion. [/quote] I suspect you are underestimating the basketball credentials of a number of posters on here (me NOT included) and, as a result, that corridor between your knowledge and theirs may very well not be as wide as you believe it is.  I am curious about this oxymoron- " Has forgotten more basketball than most of you know" vs " one man's HUMBLE opinion"

[quote name="Rockin A" post="1197735" timestamp="1331838649"] Majic or Magic? Magic & Bird are about as equal as two stars can be.  I'll admit I'm biased, and as such, Bird would be the focus of my team.  I'd take a quiet leader over a flashy one any day.  P.S.  Who is this "Majic" the former assistant coach keeps referring to? [/quote] Maybe I am not the only one after all.  Please keep in mind, however, sir, that you and I are not members of the" vast and unbiased majority".

[quote name="SETXRedneck" post="1197734" timestamp="1331838560"] AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Stevenash.. this guy... has no idea what he's talking about.. about EVERYTHING [/quote] You may be right.  Introspection is appropriate at this time.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1197725" timestamp="1331837363"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97596.msg1197722#msg1197722 date=1331837007] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197716#msg1197716 date=1331836592] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97596.msg1197705#msg1197705 date=1331835255] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197697#msg1197697 date=1331833974] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97596.msg1197684#msg1197684 date=1331832444] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197650#msg1197650 date=1331828286] The thing is, I actually AGREE with you on the topic...Last night Vermont was the better basketball team, which emcompasses a lot of those attributes, however, intellectual or not, they will get HAMMERED on Friday when they face a more talented North Carolina team...Its just that simple....Do you not think that the UNC players have a certain amount of basketball IQ to go along with that ability? I would BET that they do. And by the way...as "intellectual" as Larry Bird was, he was not as good as Magic, and not even close to MJ...BUT he was still a great player...There is always going to be a difference when athleticism comes into play. [/quote] When you get to the North Carolinas, Dukes, Mich States, etc there is plenty of athletecism and intellect.  I will respectfully disagree with you on Bird/Magic. [/quote] So was Magic not as intellectual as Bird? Because he was definitely more athletic....Magic played 5 positions...won more championships (both played on storied franchises)...and was SURGICAL with the basketball...Magic was better..beat him on both college and pro levels...Although Bird was STILL a Legend in my estimation...What about MJ? Do You agree with that one? [/quote] Beat him on the college level?  Give me a break.  We both know there was quite a difference in the supporting casts.  Jordan better than both.  The number of positions played has nothing to do with what we are discussing, so drop that one although I saw Larry bring the ball down the court many a time and would take him vs Magic in the post position any day of the week. [/quote] How else do we compare the two? wins and losses...Magic was better on that page as well..Come on Nash, you cannot be THAT biased...You can acknowledge that MJ is better, but not Majic? I am saying that Bird was a GREAT player, but Majic was better....Ask ANY person that knows basketball who they would start a team with Bird or Majic...I am sure the vast unbiased majority would say Majic Johnson...its pretty obvious. [/quote] If you are going the wins/losses/championships route as the criteria, then Bill Russell, unequivocally, is the best player ever.  What does "THAT BIASED" mean?  Is this going to become a racial issue as well? [/quote] NO, it just meant that you are obviously a Larry Bird fan...THAT is the biased that I am referencing....Come on Nash... ::)...Robert Horry won more than Charles Barkley too, but it doesn't make him better either...I was just talking head to head competetion in the Bird/Majic example....we all know who the better player is Nash....Majic... ::) [/quote] Ok- Now you say that wins/losses/championships are not the criteria for making a determination and I say playing 5 positions is not the criteria.  What are we going to use?  Both were 3 time MVPs and Bird got Rookie of the Year the year they both entered the league.  So I see nothing that makes Magic the overwhelmingly superior player.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1197716" timestamp="1331836592"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97596.msg1197705#msg1197705 date=1331835255] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197697#msg1197697 date=1331833974] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97596.msg1197684#msg1197684 date=1331832444] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197650#msg1197650 date=1331828286] The thing is, I actually AGREE with you on the topic...Last night Vermont was the better basketball team, which emcompasses a lot of those attributes, however, intellectual or not, they will get HAMMERED on Friday when they face a more talented North Carolina team...Its just that simple....Do you not think that the UNC players have a certain amount of basketball IQ to go along with that ability? I would BET that they do. And by the way...as "intellectual" as Larry Bird was, he was not as good as Magic, and not even close to MJ...BUT he was still a great player...There is always going to be a difference when athleticism comes into play. [/quote] When you get to the North Carolinas, Dukes, Mich States, etc there is plenty of athletecism and intellect.  I will respectfully disagree with you on Bird/Magic. [/quote] So was Magic not as intellectual as Bird? Because he was definitely more athletic....Magic played 5 positions...won more championships (both played on storied franchises)...and was SURGICAL with the basketball...Magic was better..beat him on both college and pro levels...Although Bird was STILL a Legend in my estimation...What about MJ? Do You agree with that one? [/quote] Beat him on the college level?  Give me a break.  We both know there was quite a difference in the supporting casts.  Jordan better than both.  The number of positions played has nothing to do with what we are discussing, so drop that one although I saw Larry bring the ball down the court many a time and would take him vs Magic in the post position any day of the week. [/quote] How else do we compare the two? wins and losses...Magic was better on that page as well..Come on Nash, you cannot be THAT biased...You can acknowledge that MJ is better, but not Majic? I am saying that Bird was a GREAT player, but Majic was better....Ask ANY person that knows basketball who they would start a team with Bird or Majic...I am sure the vast unbiased majority would say Majic Johnson...its pretty obvious. [/quote] If you are going the wins/losses/championships route as the criteria, then Bill Russell, unequivocally, is the best player ever.  What does "THAT BIASED" mean?  Is this going to become a racial issue as well?

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1197697" timestamp="1331833974"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97596.msg1197684#msg1197684 date=1331832444] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=97596.msg1197650#msg1197650 date=1331828286] The thing is, I actually AGREE with you on the topic...Last night Vermont was the better basketball team, which emcompasses a lot of those attributes, however, intellectual or not, they will get HAMMERED on Friday when they face a more talented North Carolina team...Its just that simple....Do you not think that the UNC players have a certain amount of basketball IQ to go along with that ability? I would BET that they do. And by the way...as "intellectual" as Larry Bird was, he was not as good as Magic, and not even close to MJ...BUT he was still a great player...There is always going to be a difference when athleticism comes into play. [/quote] When you get to the North Carolinas, Dukes, Mich States, etc there is plenty of athletecism and intellect.  I will respectfully disagree with you on Bird/Magic. [/quote] So was Magic not as intellectual as Bird? Because he was definitely more athletic....Magic played 5 positions...won more championships (both played on storied franchises)...and was SURGICAL with the basketball...Magic was better..beat him on both college and pro levels...Although Bird was STILL a Legend in my estimation...What about MJ? Do You agree with that one? [/quote] Beat him on the college level?  Give me a break.  We both know there was quite a difference in the supporting casts.  Jordan better than both.  The number of positions played has nothing to do with what we are discussing, so drop that one although I saw Larry bring the ball down the court many a time and would take him vs Magic in the post position any day of the week.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1197650" timestamp="1331828286"] The thing is, I actually AGREE with you on the topic...Last night Vermont was the better basketball team, which emcompasses a lot of those attributes, however, intellectual or not, they will get HAMMERED on Friday when they face a more talented North Carolina team...Its just that simple....Do you not think that the UNC players have a certain amount of basketball IQ to go along with that ability? I would BET that they do. And by the way...as "intellectual" as Larry Bird was, he was not as good as Magic, and not even close to MJ...BUT he was still a great player...There is always going to be a difference when athleticism comes into play. [/quote] When you get to the North Carolinas, Dukes, Mich States, etc there is plenty of athletecism and intellect.  I will respectfully disagree with you on Bird/Magic.

Started a new thread for our old conversation. Spin it like you want Dickie-  Yes, Vermont was the better TEAM and it was not based on superior athleticism.  If you line up all of the players from both teams and compare speed, vertical jump, quickness, etc we both KNOW who comes out on top.  You are just unwilling to confirm my thought that athleticism is not the sole definition of a good basketball player as Larry Bird( among others) has already solidly proven.

You bring up another interesting issue in Vermont, Dove.  In the contest last night, would you( you too DV) say that intellect or athleticism prevailed?  Please, no spin, just an honest appraisal.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1197564" timestamp="1331822155"] [quote author=Pumper link=topic=97235.msg1197536#msg1197536 date=1331818904] One correction to an earlier point; it is true that most of the major D-1's already have signed who they want by this time.  Consequently the mid-majors and low D-1's often have to wait and see who is left after the big boys sign their kids.  It is not uncommon at all for a kid to get a full ride scholarship this time of year, it will just probably be from a mid or low D-1 school.  And on the juco comments earlier, absolutely there is nothing wrong with [b]ANY[/b] college scholarship or opportunity.  However, Prudhomme will have several D-1 choices from what I understand.  Stallworth was a great player, but he was a tweener.  He basically played post in HS at 6'4".  Prudhomme is a little over 6'3" and plays guard.  To borrow one of DV's favorite phrases, it's "apples & oranges". [/quote]Can Shawn run point? [/quote] I wouldnt think so but, then again, I learned a long time ago that my opinion (and yours, for that matter) do not have much bearing on  how a college might perceive a potential player.  I can only tell you that he has three sincere interests from D-1 at the moment and I repeat, if you dont think any of it will materialize, just tell me how much you want to invest in your "guaranteed" 300% return.

I stand by my original contention. 

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1197519" timestamp="1331816059"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97235.msg1197426#msg1197426 date=1331777737] He won't need luck-I am pretty confident that he will get a d-1 scholarship- it won't be too long till I am proven wrong or right [/quote]I'm sure he will play ball in college. No question about it. But True Blue referenced a legit point. Either its being ignored, swept under a rug, or some of us are blind to whats going on. [/quote] And that legitimate point would be what?

;D

He won't need luck-I am pretty confident that he will get a d-1 scholarship- it won't be too long till I am proven wrong or right

My offer stands and it specifically includes a basketball scholarship-  someone ought to take me up on my offer-  I gladly pay immediately when I am wrong.  Dv and soulja will confirm that

Blue-sounds like u are ready to accept my 3-1 bet? 

Prudhomme has two pretty solid possibilities not sure if he has a firm offer but the interest is high from two schools-  if anybody is interested I will give three to one odds he winds up at a d-1 school on a scholarship

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1197254" timestamp="1331758837"] [quote author=stevenash link=topic=97235.msg1197248#msg1197248 date=1331758003] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=97235.msg1197001#msg1197001 date=1331688906] Donahoe was decent but NOT D1 good. He didn't have the skill set of Brown. Saw each play a lot in high school. [/quote].      Decent?  Decent enough to be 3-a player of the year?  Decent enough to be tourney MVP in Austin when he won a 3-a ring?  Tell me what brown had in his skill set that Donahoe didn't because I saw them both play many more games than u did. [/quote] Nash, and  with all those accolades, why is it that those *particular schools* never show up in Sour Lake?      [/quote]. Donahoe declined the offer in the hj gym.  Dove I know how closely attuned u r to local basketball but I am reasonably confident u haven't the foggiest idea of who visits the gym .  Prudhomme was observed by several coaches during the playoffs who made specific trips to watch him

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1197001" timestamp="1331688906"] Donahoe was decent but NOT D1 good. He didn't have the skill set of Brown. Saw each play a lot in high school. [/quote].      Decent?  Decent enough to be 3-a player of the year?  Decent enough to be tourney MVP in Austin when he won a 3-a ring?  Tell me what brown had in his skill set that Donahoe didn't because I saw them both play many more games than u did.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1196722" timestamp="1331663612"] [quote author=D WADE link=topic=97235.msg1196719#msg1196719 date=1331663069] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=97235.msg1196693#msg1196693 date=1331660949] [quote author=D WADE link=topic=97235.msg1196689#msg1196689 date=1331660623] I wouldn't say that He has been the only major talent out of this area but he is the only major talent from a big school to get the recognizion out of the area in the last 5 years. In my opinion Ryan Danahoe, Brandon Letsinger, or [b]Tramaine Thomas all were very equal to the talent level of J'covan but they all went to small schools.[/b] Before people bash me, im not saying they were better but IMO J'covan wasnt head and shoulders better than  those three. My point is if J'covan is good enough to be they best player at Texas than thesthree easily could have played at a D-1 school somewhere. [/quote] Tremain hardly went to a small school. He went to the University of Arkansas on a football scholarship and has been starting at safety the last two seasons. [/quote] I didn't mean he went to a small college I meant a small highschool. Letsinger also went to a big college he went to Texas A&M on a track scholarship, after turning down a scholarship to angelina jc for basketball and a small offer from SFA to play basket my point was if those 3 would have gone to 5A highschools they would have gotten a D1 offers [/quote]I am a firm believer that if you attend a small school (high school or college) with major talent, the bigger programs will hear about you one way or another. [/quote] [Hidden Content]

[quote name="D WADE" post="1196689" timestamp="1331660623"] I wouldn't say that He has been the only major talent out of this area but he is the only major talent from a big school to get the recognizion out of the area in the last 5 years. In my opinion Ryan Danahoe, Brandon Letsinger, or Tramaine Thomas all were very equal to the talent level of J'covan but they all went to small schools. Before people bash me, im not saying they were better but IMO J'covan wasnt head and shoulders better than  those three. My point is if J'covan is good enough to be they best player at Texas than these three easily could have played at a D-1 school somewhere. [/quote] Very much agree.  Watched Donahoe and Brown play together in an all star game and there was little if any difference.  I am pretty sure that Donahoe would have been at a D-1 school ( I know of a legit offer he turned down) if he hadnt been influenced by an AAU guy.

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Is he going to Yates?

Wonder if that guy ever trained with Mike Tyson?