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[quote name="no-look" post="1229083" timestamp="1339028479"] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=100351.msg1228935#msg1228935 date=1338990595] I think they will split both games next year, coin flip and HJ will win district. Silsbee vs Yates for a trip to state with the Lions beating the Tigers by 16. Silsbee doesn't have enough size to play Yates! [/quote]They said the Celtics couldn't hang with the Heat too... ;D [/quote] Yes - the consensus was Miami in 5.  Hard to believe the Celtics could hang with Miami for two reasons.  1.  Weak Schedule  2.  Miami plays real basketball

[quote name="mfd814" post="1229064" timestamp="1339024727"] I don't understand why people here are so interested in Yates, LOL The players on JV looked really good last year, without there freshamn PG who was out with a knee injury, but is healthy once again.  I know 2 of the other JV players from last year and they were not ready for Varsity ball, but my my how they have gotten better.  I cannot wait to see how they play this fall, it is great to see young men become better and work so hard. [/quote] I agree.  Just think- not only do you have the good players that are from Yates, but 41 more trying to transfer in.  It makes things more than equitable, dont you agree?  It seems a little silly to suggest that for any reason OTHER than everyone is trying to go to school there, that the team is so good.  I't's gonna take DV a little time to respond because, for the sake of maintaining his self appointed image of " knowing everything" he is going to have to research the 41 incoming freshmen story and try to spin it some way by either saying he knew about it or it is no different than 1 transfer coming to HJ over the last 5 years.  Definitely very "similar' situations. ;D

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228979" timestamp="1338999481"] [quote author=team first link=topic=100336.msg1228974#msg1228974 date=1338998506] Could wise win at hf, of wos, bc (district champs) no chance in heck. And most parents that value education would get there kids out of bmt to any where else. Be it Kelly, hj, u name it. [/quote] Thats not true at all...I would elaborate, but it would do no good...I know why people on THIS site say that, but just FYI....BISD performed better in the last 10 years than ANY AREA DISTRICT....Look it up. [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=100336.msg1228976#msg1228976 date=1338998768] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228971#msg1228971 date=1338997986] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=100336.msg1228958#msg1228958 date=1338996762] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228860#msg1228860 date=1338946063] Like I said...CASE CLOSED...They sat, played JV, now they are CLEAR...No questions asked...OHHHHH, but MY question was never answered about Hardin Jefferson. HAVE THEY HAD A PLAYER IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TRANSFER INTO THEIR SCHOOL FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES? I know the answer to that one, just want to make sure a certain poster understands the definition of "transferring for athletic purposes".... ::) [/quote] Last I checked, HJ was the better team last year (since they beat Bmt Central). You want us to believe that he left an inferior team (Central) so he could get more PT at a superior school?? Hmmm?? [/quote] SUPERIOR? Man you sound crazy! :o...I am not going to discuss in detail or call out kids by name, but if you are trying to convince me that ANY kid would leave a Beaumont school and play for HJ just for the sake of "academics" you can stop right now. [/quote] Didn't HJ beat Central last year? You claim that he transferred to HJ bc he was not getting enough PT, right? So he goes to a school with a better basketball team? How does that make sense? If you were sitting the bench at Kansas State, would you transfer to Kansas in hope of more PT?? [/quote] You CANNOT compare the two...HJ has an outstanding coaching staff and basketball program...Central has neither, so why would a kid leave Central to go to HJ?....BASKETBALL PROGRAM [/quote] DICKIE- regarding your "school performance" allegation- Look this up-  U.S. News and World REport on College Readiness  HJ ranked 148th in the state(and THE highest in region 5)  NONE-ZERO-NADA BISD schools were on that list.  It doesnt matter what you know, who you know, or where you are from.  It is simply the truth and there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING you can do to alter that FACT.

Here is some "bad" news for you Dickie that is [b]public information[/b] ( that I got from that reliable source of mine that you like to mention. F A C T:  Undeniable F A C T:  The DEC records reflect that CURRENTLY, Yates has 41 (yes that is FORTY ONE) PAPF applications for incoming freshmen.  Still sticking to your homegrown story, DV? Bottom line- there are currently 41 incoming freshmen trying to transfer to yates.  As previously stated, isnt it interesting that the overall school population is declining but the basketball "applicants" grows substantially.

You are right.  And Dickie will declare him as homegrown

[quote name="dogs1218" post="1228887" timestamp="1338950926"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228884#msg1228884 date=1338950612] The four players mentioned earlier by westend have already sat out their year and played varsity last season. Those are the players I was speaking about. I have no knowledge of any player on the Yates JV from last season. [/quote] Their JV was loaded.. Could have made it to regionals as a varsity team [/quote] Isn't that amazing?  That school (just coincidentally, of course) manages to keep turning out the top JV and Varsity programs in the state and with all "homegrown" players- quite an accomplishment) Most schools have their good years and bad years but not at Yates.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228868" timestamp="1338947270"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228865#msg1228865 date=1338947120] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228860#msg1228860 date=1338946063] Like I said...CASE CLOSED...They sat, played JV, now they are CLEAR...No questions asked...OHHHHH, but MY question was never answered about Hardin Jefferson. HAVE THEY HAD A PLAYER IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TRANSFER INTO THEIR SCHOOL FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES? I know the answer to that one, just want to make sure a certain poster understands the definition of "transferring for athletic purposes".... ::) [/quote] Dickie- I understand that definition EVERY BIT AS WELL as you ever did.  I have been married to an educator for more years than you have been in this world, and have two other educators in my immediate family, so you neednt worry about my understanding of definitions pertaining to education.  Do you  understand what a blatant lie it is to keep saying that all of Yates players are homegrown when so many had to sit out a year and, at the same time, Westend gave you the names of 4 players who transferred in from other schools? [/quote] They are as "home grown" as your boys from Sour Lake....Born and raised in Houston! ;) [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228867#msg1228867 date=1338947230] The best players for Yates are not homegrown.. They are transfers.. But Yates follows the rules of transfers so that they dont get in trouble [/quote] [b]I will go with tha[/b]t... 8) [/quote] And, therefore, are not homegrown.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1228862" timestamp="1338946766"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228860#msg1228860 date=1338946063] Like I said...CASE CLOSED...They sat, played JV, now they are CLEAR...No questions asked...OHHHHH, but MY question was never answered about Hardin Jefferson. HAVE THEY HAD A PLAYER IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TRANSFER INTO THEIR SCHOOL FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES? I know the answer to that one, just want to make sure a certain poster understands the definition of "transferring for athletic purposes".... ::) [/quote] According to the District 21-3A executive committee, no they have not. [/quote] You have to remember, though, that the 21-3a executive committee does not, like some people, know everything and everybody. 

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228860" timestamp="1338946063"] Like I said...CASE CLOSED...They sat, played JV, now they are CLEAR...No questions asked...OHHHHH, but MY question was never answered about Hardin Jefferson. HAVE THEY HAD A PLAYER IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS TRANSFER INTO THEIR SCHOOL FOR ATHLETIC PURPOSES? I know the answer to that one, just want to make sure a certain poster understands the definition of "transferring for athletic purposes".... ::) [/quote] Dickie- I understand that definition EVERY BIT AS WELL as you ever did.  I have been married to an educator for more years than you have been in this world, and have two other educators in my immediate family, so you neednt worry about my understanding of definitions pertaining to education.  Do you  understand what a blatant lie it is to keep saying that all of Yates players are homegrown when so many had to sit out a year and, at the same time, Westend gave you the names of 4 players who transferred in from other schools?

It was 440-15 but one player left the gym. In the words of the REAL Dick Vitale- " It's blow out city, babeeeee!!!!"

If you attended a magnet school, there is no reason to sit out, right?

Until someone returns his call, you probably wont get an answer unless it is one that simply refers to the "cozy confines of the UIL.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228769" timestamp="1338927624"] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228768#msg1228768 date=1338927520] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228767#msg1228767 date=1338927099] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228761#msg1228761 date=1338926799] Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed. [/quote] TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true. [/quote] And I will ask you, Mr. Nash, as you have [b]verifiable[/b] close ties to the coaching staff at Hardin-Jefferson, how many years did the young man who came in from Beaumont have to sit out before playing varsity for the Hawks? [/quote] He didn't...pays to have "connections" within the cozy confines of the UIL. ::) [/quote] He began attending the school in the spring of the prior year after his parents established a residency there.  One kid in 5 or 6 years is not significant in comparison to other programs.  I have asked you before and I ask you again- Rather than simply spount innuendos, please specify what "special coziness" exists between the UIL and HJ and how does HJ use that alleged coziness to their advantage.  You arent going to get away with this garbage as easily as you think you are.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228761" timestamp="1338926799"] Apparently, they were deemed eligible after sitting out from varsity competition for one calendar year. They sat out while playing junior varsity. NOW they are eligible without question. No further discussion needed. [/quote] TRANSLATION- They are NOT homegrown but I have to find ways to say it so it doesnt look like I said something that was not true.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228745" timestamp="1338925308"] [quote author=WOSgrad link=topic=100336.msg1228718#msg1228718 date=1338923663] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758] I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble [/quote] Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season. [/quote] No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season.... [/quote] Those kids that "played JV and sat out last season."  Why did they sit out? [/quote] Because Greg Wise follows rules and refuses to use his "connection" to the UIL as an advantage as SOME schools tend to do. [/quote] Translation_ The Yates is nowhere near as homegrown as he said they were. Please elaborate on how any school uses its UIL connection to enhance their program rather than just spewing more words.  The "homegrown" was UNEQUIVOCALLY untrue and so is the UIL connection suggestion.

[quote name="WOSgrad" post="1228718" timestamp="1338923663"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758] I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble [/quote] Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season. [/quote] No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season.... [/quote] Those kids that "played JV and sat out last season."  Why did they sit out? [/quote] LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  Is there another phrase that means the same as "up the creek without a paddle"?

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228704" timestamp="1338922608"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228690#msg1228690 date=1338921798] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228663#msg1228663 date=1338918916] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228658#msg1228658 date=1338918681] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758] I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble [/quote] Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season. [/quote] No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season.... [/quote] All "home grown" of course [/quote] Just as "home grown" as the HJ kids.... ::) [/quote] Nope- 11 of the 12 HJ varsity players have been in the system since at least the 6th grade.  Westend already llisted 4 players that transferred from other schools.  Your statement sounds good to you but is no where close to true. [/quote] Sure they have...just as 14 of the 15 Dallas Kimball players....but THEY are in the middle of an investigation that could possibly take their state title away this year....and for good reason..THEY broke the rules. [/quote] Therefore, the Yates players aren't anywhere close to being "just as homegrown as the HJ players.  Again, it sounds good to you but it simply is not true.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228663" timestamp="1338918916"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100336.msg1228658#msg1228658 date=1338918681] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100336.msg1228654#msg1228654 date=1338918393] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758] I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble [/quote] Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season. [/quote] No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season.... [/quote] All "home grown" of course [/quote] Just as "home grown" as the HJ kids.... ::) [/quote] Nope- 11 of the 12 HJ varsity players have been in the system since at least the 6th grade.  Westend already llisted 4 players that transferred from other schools.  Your statement sounds good to you but is no where close to true.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1228654" timestamp="1338918393"] [quote author=AggiesAreWe link=topic=100336.msg1228632#msg1228632 date=1338914072] [quote author=dogs1218 link=topic=100336.msg1228628#msg1228628 date=1338913758] I am not a person who worships Yates, but I am a realist.. After Yates gets those players from their JV up to Varsity, since they had to sit a year, added with the returners from last year, All I can say is that 3A is in serious trouble [/quote] Those players mentioned earlier have already sat out their year. They all played varsity last season. [/quote] No AAW, they have a few other kids that played JV and sat out last season.... [/quote] All "home grown" of course

[quote name="lamar73!" post="1228456" timestamp="1338841811"] It is kind of hard to win the Kentucky Derby on a Jack Ass [/quote] Lamar 73- You need to understand why all of this Yates stuff ever came about anyway.  In earlier days, there were many efforts made to discredit HJ basketball.  Same old stuff- schedule too weak, wrong tournaments, bribed officials- yada yada yada yada yada-  When none of those "schemes" seem to catch on there needed to be a way to "knock the boys down a notch or two".  Hence the Yates worship program which is basically a staple of two posters and nobody else.  Rest assured that if by some "accident", HJ would play Yates and come out on top, the Yates clamoring would stop ( after all the accusations of blind luck, poor Yates shooting, cheating refs, and whatever other standard excuses evolved) and we would be told that HJ would never have a chance against a good team like Flower Mound Marcus.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1228431" timestamp="1338833367"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100351.msg1228418#msg1228418 date=1338827982] My guess is Ford Park.  If it is, Dove, I will rent a suite and invite you to the game. [/quote] With food and drink? [/quote] Yes, I will still be able to buy you food and drink before Obama gets his tax hikes enacted.

I guess they thought the same thing when HJ played Kountze there last year.

My guess is Ford Park.  If it is, Dove, I will rent a suite and invite you to the game.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1227779" timestamp="1338517713"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1227770#msg1227770 date=1338516950] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1227764#msg1227764 date=1338516438] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1227761#msg1227761 date=1338516141] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1227758#msg1227758 date=1338515921] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100318.msg1227735#msg1227735 date=1338511376] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1227730#msg1227730 date=1338509723] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100318.msg1227726#msg1227726 date=1338509197] Yates is on a whole nother level folks. They play a national schedule alongside with national exposure. Build and they shall follow. Also, these so-called elite kids  ::) hang, text, Face Book, etc each other. They ask their pardners to follow them to certain programs. Others want to play in the best programs. Wise's program sells itself. [/quote] Many thanks for acknowledging/verifying that this program is, as you say, an elite program which suggests that all high school coaches, in order to compete, ought to be AAU coaches in the off season and develop relationships with players who, at that time, do not attend the school where they are coaching.  OF course, Mr. Wise NEVER discusses attending Yates as a possibility.  He merely lets his current players sell the program on Facebook.  I never realized that, at the high school level, that this was supposed to take place.  Somebody once told me that the competition was intended to take place between schools of similar size with no outside influence.  If enough other schools pick up on these "methods" Texas High School Basketball ought to become very interesting.  I am amazed at some people who belittle "the rich" and how they take unfair advantage of everyone else and yet, at the same time, admire situations such as this one. [/quote]I said "SO-called" elite kids." Coach Wise can't coach kids who attend Yates. Be interesting to see how many kids played on his AAU teams and transferred to Yates. The players I know at Yates did not playy for Wise's AAU team. [/quote] NOT ONE!! It is a PROVEN fact! One could say the same for HJ's "Little Dribblers" [s]recruiting[/s], ERRR, I mean program, if thats the case.... ::) ::) [/quote] Your last "proven fact" was torn down by Westend when he gave your 4 names.  Yes, there really is a lot of heavy duty recruiting of those 8 year olds in HJ Little Dribblers.  However, you still need to live in the HJ district in order to play.  But comparing 8 year olds to a high school program is certainly a valid comparison. [/quote] Dispute it all you like....NONE of Wise's AAU players has EVER played for Yates...Can you imagine the uproar, had that been the case? 8 year olds eventually become 14 and 15 year olds, you know.... ::) ::) [/quote] Imagine that!!!! 8 year olds become 14 and 15 year olds?  I think that is true everywhere, isn't it?  In case you missed the obvious point,  the 8 year old is required to live in the HJ district in order to play.  Therefore ( try to follow this if you can) when they turn 14 or 15 and IF they become a decent player (which, incidentally, nobody knows at age 8)they can become another home grown member of the HJ basketball team.  I believe that you dont know every AAU player Wise has ever had and therefore you do NOT know whether your statement is even half valid. [/quote] Sure- I have no idea who I am talking to- I am talking to the same guy who touted the virtue of Yates having so many "homegrown" players- right before Westend provided you with the names of 4 who came from other schools Once again...You obviously have no idea who you are talking to...Greg Wise has coached the Houston Hoops during two seperate stints...One during his early years while his sons Nic and Dondre were playing as kids until 2005, and again from 2007 to now. NONE of his players played on his team....he has coached the 16U and 17U division...I KNOW this for a fact. [/quote]

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1227764" timestamp="1338516438"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1227761#msg1227761 date=1338516141] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100318.msg1227758#msg1227758 date=1338515921] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100318.msg1227735#msg1227735 date=1338511376] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100318.msg1227730#msg1227730 date=1338509723] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=100318.msg1227726#msg1227726 date=1338509197] Yates is on a whole nother level folks. They play a national schedule alongside with national exposure. Build and they shall follow. Also, these so-called elite kids  ::) hang, text, Face Book, etc each other. They ask their pardners to follow them to certain programs. Others want to play in the best programs. Wise's program sells itself. [/quote] Many thanks for acknowledging/verifying that this program is, as you say, an elite program which suggests that all high school coaches, in order to compete, ought to be AAU coaches in the off season and develop relationships with players who, at that time, do not attend the school where they are coaching.  OF course, Mr. Wise NEVER discusses attending Yates as a possibility.  He merely lets his current players sell the program on Facebook.  I never realized that, at the high school level, that this was supposed to take place.  Somebody once told me that the competition was intended to take place between schools of similar size with no outside influence.  If enough other schools pick up on these "methods" Texas High School Basketball ought to become very interesting.  I am amazed at some people who belittle "the rich" and how they take unfair advantage of everyone else and yet, at the same time, admire situations such as this one. [/quote]I said "SO-called" elite kids." Coach Wise can't coach kids who attend Yates. Be interesting to see how many kids played on his AAU teams and transferred to Yates. The players I know at Yates did not playy for Wise's AAU team. [/quote] NOT ONE!! It is a PROVEN fact! One could say the same for HJ's "Little Dribblers" [s]recruiting[/s], ERRR, I mean program, if thats the case.... ::) ::) [/quote] Your last "proven fact" was torn down by Westend when he gave your 4 names.  Yes, there really is a lot of heavy duty recruiting of those 8 year olds in HJ Little Dribblers.  However, you still need to live in the HJ district in order to play.  But comparing 8 year olds to a high school program is certainly a valid comparison. [/quote] Dispute it all you like....NONE of Wise's AAU players has EVER played for Yates...Can you imagine the uproar, had that been the case? 8 year olds eventually become 14 and 15 year olds, you know.... ::) ::) [/quote] Imagine that!!!! 8 year olds become 14 and 15 year olds?  I think that is true everywhere, isn't it?  In case you missed the obvious point,  the 8 year old is required to live in the HJ district in order to play.  Therefore ( try to follow this if you can) when they turn 14 or 15 and IF they become a decent player (which, incidentally, nobody knows at age 8)they can become another home grown member of the HJ basketball team.  I believe that you dont know every AAU player WIse has ever had and therefore you do NOT know whether your statement is even half valid.