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[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1227002" timestamp="1338328743"] Prior to 2008 they had a coach that was FIRED FOR PLAYING INELIGIBLE PLAYERS....Coincidentally that same coach won a 4A state title in 1998 at Houston Waltrip...Remember the Puerto Rican kid in 1999 that was deemed ineligible due to being to old? Yeah...THAT was his coach....Greg Wise came INTO a messy situation, yet no one has found anything wrong with what he has done except naysayers that don't know much about what is the real deal....I relate HJ because they are just as guilty as Yates is...That could mean NOT GUILTY of anything, but the only thing we can go by is the fact that the UIL says both are in compliance....Right? ;) [/quote] Then that means that Wise is getting it done on superior coaching ability- He "knows" things that nobody else does and it is just coincidental that the talent level never changes each year-  how convenient- and, of course, coaching other players in AAU ball NEVER brings players to Yates who otherwise would not consider it

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226941" timestamp="1338319943"] In that case, I can say that about HJ...You guys are regulars at least in HUNTSVILLE, so if you don't make it back to regionals should I have my convictions about how you guys had been so successful, then fell off? Of course not...Since Greg Wise arrived at Yates in 2008, they went to the regional finals in 08, state champs in 09 and 10, regional semi finals in 11, and state finalist in 12...I doubt they will do anything less than regionals for the next few years, so they seem fairly consistent, wouldn't you say? [/quote] Hmmm- I wonder why that same record wasnt around before 2008?  My guess is that the prior Yates coach did not coach AAU ball where many of his players just coincidentally wound up at Yates.  Drop the HJ gambit.  It doesnt relate at all and nobody honors that theory but you.

It wont take that long to find out.  Trust me, they are being watched quite a bit more closely than they have been in the past.  After the current stable of players leaves the school, if they keep winning state titles while being scrutinized, then I will have no argument.  If they don't then we will both know what really took place.

Nor do you know what I know or don't know.  Oh, and by the way.  You never acknowledge what was going on at Kimball until after it could no longer be hidden at which time you suddenly declared that "everybody knew about it".

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226884" timestamp="1338313485"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226857#msg1226857 date=1338310809] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226841#msg1226841 date=1338308490] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226834#msg1226834 date=1338306746] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226822#msg1226822 date=1338305387] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226812#msg1226812 date=1338304283] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226806#msg1226806 date=1338303507] OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::) [/quote] Unworthy of a response [/quote] UNABLE to respond is more like it... [/quote] You are right because I dont know the names of the players.  [/quote] I am right because you don't have a leg to stand on....HEARSAY is no good here... ;) [/quote] Why not- You used plenty of it in the Trayvon Martin case?  My "instincts" and" what I [b]know[/b]" are EVERY bit as good as yours [/quote] Not in this case...I happen to KNOW and you are allowing hearsay to cloud your judgement...THATS the difference. [/quote] Read what you just said.  You  don't know jack#$%^ about the Martin case.  Yet you sit there and declare that ONLY YOU, in your divine wisdom, "know" things and the rest of us simply are not as enlightened.  NOBODY believes you but you.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226841" timestamp="1338308490"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226834#msg1226834 date=1338306746] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226822#msg1226822 date=1338305387] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226812#msg1226812 date=1338304283] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226806#msg1226806 date=1338303507] OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::) [/quote] Unworthy of a response [/quote] UNABLE to respond is more like it... [/quote] You are right because I dont know the names of the players.  [/quote] I am right because you don't have a leg to stand on....HEARSAY is no good here... ;) [/quote] Why not- You used plenty of it in the Trayvon Martin case?  My "instincts" and" what I [b]know[/b]" are EVERY bit as good as yours

No way- not with that patsy schedule they play- the probably wont even make the playoffs-  I know the new HF coach and have high degree of respect for him-  at same time, it may be unrealistic to expect him to get far enough in the playoffs to encounter Yates next year

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226822" timestamp="1338305387"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226812#msg1226812 date=1338304283] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226806#msg1226806 date=1338303507] OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::) [/quote] Unworthy of a response [/quote] UNABLE to respond is more like it... [/quote] You are right because I dont know the names of the players. 

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226806" timestamp="1338303507"] OK...name ONE UNETHICAL transfer then....Go ahead...I'll wait.... ::) [/quote] Unworthy of a response

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226789" timestamp="1338301789"] OK, I will go with you having ONE in 5 years.... ::)...Thats the only one that the public really knows about...Tell me nash...can you NAME any of the Yates transfers and WHY they came to Yates? Were they considered ineligible, or maybe perhaps they followed the one year transfer status rule and did NOT play varsity immediately? If this is so, WHY is it considered "cheating" in your estimation, if they indeed followed the rules and procedures of the University Interscholastic League? [/quote]\ Often times, all facts about how a student got to a school are not made known.  Sort of like the mother who recently said the Kimball coaches would help her find a house or she could stay in her neighborhood and they would arrange transportation for her son.  Dickie, its not just me suspecting Yates.  Hundreds of others think the same thing.  Although, I know you want to believe that it is founded in jealousy/envy, there are simply too many who believe something is wrong there.  Lets say that the Ozen staff decides to coach AAU ball this year ( they can coach anyone but their own players) and they get to know a number of very good players and some good relationships develop over that time.  Surely you aren't so naive to believe nothing happens.  ( of course not, you know it happens and will attempt to justify it by saying HJ had one move in during the last five years- what a joke. Why don't you run a poll on this board and see how many people believe Yates runs a clean program.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226790" timestamp="1338301861"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226776#msg1226776 date=1338300981] Lincoln was, from my perspective, very legitimate in their pursuit/achievement of basketball excellence.  It VERY OBVIOUSLY is not the same way at Yates or Kimball. [/quote] Kimball, yes I see your point...Yates....NAME ONE ILLEGAL TRANSFER....Go ahead..take your time...I'll wait.... ::) ::) ::) [/quote] First we must define illegal.  If we find that word won't work, we can most certainly use unethical.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226761" timestamp="1338299480"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100142.msg1226759#msg1226759 date=1338299335] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100142.msg1226754#msg1226754 date=1338297735] Homeless, that was NOT breaking news! EVERYBODY in TEXAS knew that kid was not eligible at Kimball!  8) [/quote] Yes and there are several more at several other schools that EVERYBODY Doesnt know are ineligible.  Furthermore, some that DO know it are trying to conceal it or refuse to acknowledge it. [/quote] I think your transfers into HJ are OK, nash.... ::) [/quote] Correction- TransferS should be Transfer- one if FIVE YEARS( another fact you cant change)

Lincoln was, from my perspective, very legitimate in their pursuit/achievement of basketball excellence.  It VERY OBVIOUSLY is not the same way at Yates or Kimball.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226751" timestamp="1338297067"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226632#msg1226632 date=1338225372] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226592#msg1226592 date=1338211250] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=100215.msg1226577#msg1226577 date=1338180207] DV, his name is E'Torian.  Also, Garrison Mitchell could be in the list. [/quote] You know who I am talking about!! Thanks. [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226584#msg1226584 date=1338208770] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226516#msg1226516 date=1338164870] Funny that PA Memorial has not had any move ins in the last five years....Its an exclusive club, I suppose... ::) [/quote] Neither has Bridge City or Orangefield [/quote] I told you....HJ is part of an EXCLUSIVE CLUB where kids just show up....it happens. [/quote] Yep, once every five years.  Does the kid from Memorial who moved to Silsbee, stayed a few months and then moved back, count as a move in at Memorial? [/quote] How about this FACT....LINCOLN NEVER HAD A PLAYER TO "MOVE IN".....NOT ONE...7 State Championships...go figure....So, stevenash....what was the reason for THEIR dominance, in your estimation?  I mean since the "cheat" factor has been totally taken away and all.... ::) [/quote] Nobody ever accused Lincoln of having move ins.  It is simply your way of trying to move off topic.  Lincoln had a basketball culture where the number one priority was basketball and virtually every kid growing up aspired to be good at basketball.  Same true of baseball at Bridge City. 

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226754" timestamp="1338297735"] Homeless, that was NOT breaking news! EVERYBODY in TEXAS knew that kid was not eligible at Kimball!  8) [/quote] Yes and there are several more at several other schools that EVERYBODY Doesnt know are ineligible.  Furthermore, some that DO know it are trying to conceal it or refuse to acknowledge it.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226592" timestamp="1338211250"] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=100215.msg1226577#msg1226577 date=1338180207] DV, his name is E'Torian.  Also, Garrison Mitchell could be in the list. [/quote] You know who I am talking about!! Thanks. [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226584#msg1226584 date=1338208770] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100215.msg1226516#msg1226516 date=1338164870] Funny that PA Memorial has not had any move ins in the last five years....Its an exclusive club, I suppose... ::) [/quote] Neither has Bridge City or Orangefield [/quote] I told you....HJ is part of an EXCLUSIVE CLUB where kids just show up....it happens. [/quote] Yep, once every five years.  Does the kid from Memorial who moved to Silsbee, stayed a few months and then moved back, count as a move in at Memorial?

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226516" timestamp="1338164870"] Funny that PA Memorial has not had any move ins in the last five years....Its an exclusive club, I suppose... ::) [/quote] Neither has Bridge City or Orangefield

[quote name="CATMAN" post="1226419" timestamp="1338119803"] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100236.msg1226300#msg1226300 date=1338072039] Big Sandy coach taking that job? 8) [/quote] One is [/quote] According to one "expert" the new coach will have to beat Yates to have credibility.,

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226496" timestamp="1338159219"] As does Hardin Jefferson.....That is if BEAUMONT is considered the Greater Sour Lake Area..... ::) ::) [/quote] One in five years vs many every year

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1226441" timestamp="1338132801"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226400#msg1226400 date=1338087853] Maybe Yates will bring in some out of state talent. [/quote]nAH, Yates get the local kids. [/quote] You are right.  THey have a reputation for strictly growing/developing their own talent.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1226442" timestamp="1338133016"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100175.msg1226381#msg1226381 date=1338081318] [quote author=Dick Vitale link=topic=100175.msg1226299#msg1226299 date=1338071984] Who said I didn't...I just said that I didn't know the guy...He has to contend with Yates next season too, so we will see how good he is then... ;) 8) [/quote] So if you dont beat Yates you are somehow not a good coach?  HF wont beat Yates if they hire Phil Jackson.( and, of course, HF only uses players from their area- what a foreign concept to some) ALso circumstances dictate that it is unlikely HF and Yates will meet next season.  Why on earth would you suggest that as a barometer of competence?  Is Pat Knight not a good coach because they were beaten soundly  by Kentucky?    Are Mr. Sutherland and Mr. Sigler poor coaches for having lost to each other?  Your suggestion does not contain a lot of logic. [/quote]" Circumstances?"  Dictate what? [/quote] The aforementioned circumstances would have HF getting far enough in the playoffs to encounter Yates.

Maybe Yates will bring in some out of state talent.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226299" timestamp="1338071984"] Who said I didn't...I just said that I didn't know the guy...He has to contend with Yates next season too, so we will see how good he is then... ;) 8) [/quote] So if you dont beat Yates you are somehow not a good coach?  HF wont beat Yates if they hire Phil Jackson.( and, of course, HF only uses players from their area- what a foreign concept to some) ALso circumstances dictate that it is unlikely HF and Yates will meet next season.  Why on earth would you suggest that as a barometer of competence?  Is Pat Knight not a good coach because they were beaten soundly  by Kentucky?    Are Mr. Sutherland and Mr. Sigler poor coaches for having lost to each other?  Your suggestion does not contain a lot of logic.

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226244" timestamp="1338051662"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1226019#msg1226019 date=1337982599] [quote author=Honest Abe link=topic=100215.msg1226011#msg1226011 date=1337981058] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=100215.msg1225981#msg1225981 date=1337969752] Isn't it amazing that the 10 best players all grow up in a single area? [/quote] What are you suggesting??  :P [/quote] Do you think it is possible that some of those ten might have pulled a Dallas Kimball? [/quote] Or a Hardin Jefferson.... ::) ::)... [/quote] One player in five years does not compare to 8 or 9 in a single year. 

[quote name="Dick Vitale" post="1226245" timestamp="1338051789"] Don't know the guy, but apparently he was on the Lamar staff when my brother played there...Don't know how good of a hire it is or not, but I wish him luck anyway. [/quote] The other individual who said it was a great hire has a pretty good basketball pedigree himself so why not take his word for it.