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I saw somewhere that PN-G won the first two games.

Congrats! Gragg and his wife are both PN-G grads and live here in Port Neches. I'm sure he'll do fine (although I might be a little biased because I go to church with him ;D).

[quote name="H-D BOBCAT 55" post="1034555" timestamp="1313201536"] Very, very cool !! Congrats PNG on being honored. Yall have a great football tradition. I love my Hull-Daisetta Bobcat tradition, but I have come to see PNG has an awesome tradition also. So cool to see. I will bring my 11 year old son to watch a PNG game this season. Can't wait !! I wonder if Hull-Daisetta was mentioned at the museum? I grew up hearing about the great traditions at PNG, WOS, Newton and Hull-Daisetta. So special.  :) [/quote] It's possible that H-D was mentioned. We were rushing to get through without getting caught with the camera, so I may have missed some things.

As many of you know, the Bob Bullock Texas State History Museum in Austin is currently featuring an exhibit called "Texas High School Football: More Than The Game." The exhibit features memorabilia, news articles, stories and interviews with fans of teams from all over Texas and is designed to teach museum-goers what high school football means to Texans and Texas communities. Well, we made it out to the museum Tuesday. Since cameras aren't allowed, I decided to sketch all of this from memory so the folks here at home could see it. ;) ;D Before I add the photos, I'd like to say that I made it a point to get everything there that was related to any Southeast Texas football team. Unfortunately, there were four things we missed because there was no way we could get the shots without getting caught by a museum employee. The first two were in the area immediately to the left of the entrance called "Bragging Rights," which is a diner set-up with a bunch of football posters and buttons you can press to hear fans of six different schools talk about their teams over the years. PN-G was one of the schools that had a recording, and the second item in that area was a 2009 Nederland poster on the wall (the only Nederland item in the exhibit). The third missed item was a plaque and TV screen about a quarter of the way into the exhibit that mentioned Mid-County Madness as the state's fiercest rivalry and several important events in the histories of Beaumont, Hebert, French, South Park, Forest Park, Charlton-Pollard and Ozen. The fourth item was another plaque across the hall from the TV screen that was part of the "Texas High School Football Timeline" and mentioned the attendance record PN-G set at the 1977 state championship. I basically left the exhibit slapping myself in the back of the head for missing these four things, but hopefully someone else will make the trip to Austin and get the missing shots. So, without further adieu, here's what we managed to get: We get there and what's the first thing we see? 2010-2011 PN-G Drum Major Seth Beaugh and the Indian Band on the cover of the exhibit's brochure. You can't tell it from the photo, but a close inspection of the brochure reveals that this shot of the band was taken at last year's PN-G game against Livingston at Indian Stadium. As a former PN-G band member, this was a very proud moment. ;D [IMG][Hidden Content]] When you leave the first section of the exhibit (which is the area where we missed all of those shots), you come into a section that talks about mascots. The centerpiece of this exhibit is Jimmy Girouard's Indian Spirit uniform from the 1964-1965 school year. [IMG][Hidden Content]] [IMG][Hidden Content]] Standing in front of the uniform and its showcase and looking to your left, you'll find a picture of Mr. Girouard in full Indian Spirit dress dancing down what is today known as A-Hall at the high school, a picture of 2010-2011 Indian Spirit Brandon Provost dancing on the field in the Alamodome, and a plaque denoting the importance of the Indian mascot to PN-G, West Texas High School and El Paso Ysleta High School. [IMG][Hidden Content]] [IMG][Hidden Content]] [IMG][Hidden Content]] As you look at these displays, you'll notice something along the wall to your right that every PN-G fan everywhere should recognize: the letter, certificate and seal of the Cherokee Nation presented to our school in 1979. [IMG][Hidden Content]] [IMG][Hidden Content]] [IMG][Hidden Content]] [IMG][Hidden Content]] [IMG][Hidden Content]] [IMG][Hidden Content]] As you move out of the mascot section and into the next section, you'll find an exhibit dedicated totally to spirit organizations (bands, cheerleading squads, drill teams, etc.). In this section, you'll find a PN-G Drum Majorette Headress on display and a station where six different songs can be played over the loud speakers. Wanna guess which PN-G crowd favorite was among those six songs? ;D This was another proud moment for a former Indian Band member. [IMG][Hidden Content]] [IMG][Hidden Content]] [IMG][Hidden Content]] The last section of the exhibit is a tribute to the fans, media and communities that have showcased high school football in Texas for decades. In this section, you'll find memorabilia, news articles, a television set programmed to play some famous plays from Texas high school football history, and a bookcase filled with books dedicated to some of the most famous teams in Texas. Among them, of course, was a copy of Dr. John Buck Ford's [i]Down Trails of Victory: The Story of Port Neches-Groves High School Football[/i]. [IMG][Hidden Content]] In the same section of the exhibit, you'll find a plaque dedicated to long-time Texas high school football fan and Orangefield native Bennie Cotton: [IMG][Hidden Content]] ... and some Port Arthur Momentos: [IMG][Hidden Content]] [IMG][Hidden Content]] Folks, PN-G was the best represented of any school in our area, if not the state. Other schools were mentioned here and there, but PN-G was showcased for the entire state to see. I even met a fellow PN-G grad (c/o '63) that's lived in Austin since her UT days and still showed up wearing purple and white to take pictures of the exhibit and show her grandson what PN-G is all about. Most schools were lucky to have one item on display - some lucked out and got two - but PN-G had six separate items in the exhibit. If you get a chance to go to Austin and see it, go - it's worth every penny.

[quote name="knightrider" post="1033962" timestamp="1313108198"] [quote author=liltex link=topic=86406.msg1033954#msg1033954 date=1313104981] Scrimmages begin tommorrow,may the travel teams have travel grace and praying for no serious injuries to any student or their fans.Hoping sportsmanship is abundant so lets get the ball rollin and have some fun to take the edge off this economic crisis. [/quote]Amen to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::) [/quote] Second.

Those were sold out before season ticket sales were over two weeks ago. ;D We also set a new record for season ticket sales at 4643, up from 4217 last year.

[quote name="The-NHS" post="1032793" timestamp="1312865161"] [quote author=PN-G bandkid link=topic=86420.msg1032777#msg1032777 date=1312860815] [quote author=The-NHS link=topic=86420.msg1032763#msg1032763 date=1312856855] [quote author=PN-G bandkid link=topic=86420.msg1032750#msg1032750 date=1312855241] I hope the tracks don't run anywhere near the Nederland band.... ;D Just kidding, folks. ;) [/quote] Was that a band joke? [/quote] It's a reference to a thread that a Nederland fan started after the Lumberton-Nederland football game last year about the Lumberton team practicing while the Nederland band was on the field. [/quote] Yeah I remember that. Extremely unprofessional on the coaches part. Ned fans let him know though. Ltrain isn't going anywhere but right back into sub par station. See ya in 10 more years. Maybe... [/quote] If you remember, why'd you have to... nevermind....

[quote name="The-NHS" post="1032763" timestamp="1312856855"] [quote author=PN-G bandkid link=topic=86420.msg1032750#msg1032750 date=1312855241] I hope the tracks don't run anywhere near the Nederland band.... ;D Just kidding, folks. ;) [/quote] Was that a band joke? [/quote] It's a reference to a thread that a Nederland fan started after the Lumberton-Nederland football game last year about the Lumberton team practicing while the Nederland band was on the field.

I hope the tracks don't run anywhere near the Nederland band.... ;D Just kidding, folks. ;)

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1032561" timestamp="1312829839"] [quote author=PN-G bandkid link=topic=86406.msg1032558#msg1032558 date=1312829580] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=86406.msg1032556#msg1032556 date=1312829464] [quote author=PN-G bandkid link=topic=86406.msg1032555#msg1032555 date=1312829138] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=86406.msg1032551#msg1032551 date=1312828892] [quote author=Big Ford link=topic=86406.msg1032549#msg1032549 date=1312828579] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=86406.msg1032538#msg1032538 date=1312827776] The entire 10 game schedule, guys. [/quote] Yea, and you have to list what school the schedule is for  ???... [/quote]Ok, Ok.  some things go without being said.  But here it goes.  I'm a Central fan!   ;D [/quote] Nah, really? I thought you were a West Brook fan. ;D [/quote]That's a good way to get a loooot of negative karma from me!   [/quote] Now don't get too mad. I almost said you were a Memorial fan, but I knew better. ;D [/quote]I'll 'accidentally' mistake you for the other team on the West side of the train tracks.   :o :o [/quote] Hamshire-Fannett? :D I kid, I kid. ;)

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1032556" timestamp="1312829464"] [quote author=PN-G bandkid link=topic=86406.msg1032555#msg1032555 date=1312829138] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=86406.msg1032551#msg1032551 date=1312828892] [quote author=Big Ford link=topic=86406.msg1032549#msg1032549 date=1312828579] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=86406.msg1032538#msg1032538 date=1312827776] The entire 10 game schedule, guys. [/quote] Yea, and you have to list what school the schedule is for  ???... [/quote]Ok, Ok.  some things go without being said.  But here it goes.  I'm a Central fan!   ;D [/quote] Nah, really? I thought you were a West Brook fan. ;D [/quote]That's a good way to get a loooot of negative karma from me!  [/quote] Now don't get too mad. I almost said you were a Memorial fan, but I knew better. ;D

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1032551" timestamp="1312828892"] [quote author=Big Ford link=topic=86406.msg1032549#msg1032549 date=1312828579] [quote author=BMTSoulja1 link=topic=86406.msg1032538#msg1032538 date=1312827776] The entire 10 game schedule, guys. [/quote] Yea, and you have to list what school the schedule is for  ???... [/quote]Ok, Ok.  some things go without being said.  But here it goes.  I'm a Central fan!   ;D [/quote] Nah, really? I thought you were a West Brook fan. ;D

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1032513" timestamp="1312824707"] By the way, Creative topic, Bandkid! [/quote] The idea came from an old friend. ;)

List your team's schedule in order from toughest game to easiest game. I'll start. Port Neches-Groves Indians: Nederland Bulldogs Central Jaguars Livingston Lions Gregory-Portland Wildcats Texas City Stingarees Ozen Panthers Little Cypress-Mauriceville Bears Vidor Pirates Crosby Cougars Lumberton Raiders

[quote name="The-NHS" post="1031970" timestamp="1312595663"] [quote author=PN-G bandkid link=topic=86221.msg1031876#msg1031876 date=1312567252] I could probably go back and find fifty different posts from the '09 football season from fans of every school in 20-4A that say the exact same thing, but whatever. We'll just see how many deep playoff runs PN-G has made in ten years and how many Nederland has made in ten years and call it at that. My point about the program is that whether it's fully implemented or not, you still have yet to see kids that developed entirely in it on the football field. The kids in the seventh grade during the '09 season (Faircloth's first season here) are just now entering high school. Everyone that's on the field right now was partially developed by the Burnett program and partially by the Faircloth program. You can't rate two programs against each other until both have products that are solely theirs on the field. The PN-G Indians of the 2014 season are going to look totally different than the PN-G Indians of today, and I personally believe that the rest of 20-4A - perhaps the rest of the state - is going to be in for a surprise when they hit the field. [/quote] No, your point was that you claimed Faircloth was going to reinvent football in SETX. Bring something "never seen before". I'm still waiting to hear about how the play calling varies in different parts of the state. [/quote] No, I never said Faircloth was going to reinvent anything. I said that he pulls new, unexpected things out of his playbook every time someone thinks they have his style figured out. The man's clever and he was known at Odessa Permian for doing the unexpected; it's not surprising that he brought that reputation with him. It's been said a thousand times on this site. You tend to get a lot of teams around here that focus more on an old school running game. The more successful teams in the area develop multiple weapons and at least have a decent passing game. That said, normally the large school teams around here don't have the same amount of depth as teams from Houston and other larger areas. For that reason, you tend to see coaches sticking wth the same thing rather than mixing it up to keep defenses guessing. Burnett, towards the end, was probably the world's worst, but he wasn't the only one. Neumann, to be honest, has probably been one of the better in the area for his ability to make quick adjustments and mix it up when he needed to. But that's beside the point. We still have yet to see a full product of Faircloth's program. What he's done with what he had when he got here was incredible. What a team that developed entirely under the Faircloth staff will look like on the field is unknown. That's the variable I was referring to.

I could probably go back and find fifty different posts from the '09 football season from fans of every school in 20-4A that say the exact same thing, but whatever. We'll just see how many deep playoff runs PN-G has made in ten years and how many Nederland has made in ten years and call it at that. My point about the program is that whether it's fully implemented or not, you still have yet to see kids that developed entirely in it on the football field. The kids in the seventh grade during the '09 season (Faircloth's first season here) are just now entering high school. Everyone that's on the field right now was partially developed by the Burnett program and partially by the Faircloth program. You can't rate two programs against each other until both have products that are solely theirs on the field. The PN-G Indians of the 2014 season are going to look totally different than the PN-G Indians of today, and I personally believe that the rest of 20-4A - perhaps the rest of the state - is going to be in for a surprise when they hit the field.

[quote name="The-NHS" post="1031734" timestamp="1312514166"] [quote author=PN-G bandkid link=topic=86221.msg1031732#msg1031732 date=1312513632] Hey, like I said, take it or leave it. I just think Nederland is going to have some shocks and see some things that they haven't really seen before. Is it really that hard to believe that a coach from a much more competitive school in a larger classification might leave his opponents some raised eyebrows saying [b]"didn't see that one coming"? I think not considering that it's already happened quite a few times in the last two seasons.[/b] [/quote] This happens every year, to every team, to every coach, to every classification, to every district, to every college team, to every nfl team, etc. all across the nation. Saying "I didn't see that one coming" and "I've never seen that before" are two very different things. Suggesting faircloth knows something that other coaches in setx don't know simply because he is from a larger school with different competition is foolish. If faircloth were to do a fake punt and be successful, nederland would not scratch their heads in awe that someone didn't punt on 4th down. If faircloth passed the ball on 4th and inches from their 40 yd line, nederland would not scratch their heads in awe that someone didn't run on 4th and inches. If faircloth (I could go on). It comes down to adjustments and executing, something Nederland does well. Ask faircloth about adjusting his defense when Sonnier(If I remember right player) was running all over them. [/quote] Trust me, there have been people saying "I've never seen that before" as well. It's no secret that you tend to get a different variety of play-calling depending on where you are in the state. Seeing the different styles of Houston area teams in the playoffs is a perfect example. It's something that I and other PN-G fans have noticed in playing Willis, Manvel and Brenham. It's also something that has been a subject of discussion (if I remember correctly, even an entire thread at one point) on this site. It's also no secret that football in the Golden Triangle is not the "be all, end all" of high school football in Texas; if it were Southeast Texas teams would be winning state championships year after year. Instead, the last large Golden Triangle school (as in 3A, 4A or 5A) to make it to a state championship was WO-S, and when was that? 2000? Instead, what do you see? Coaches from other areas with different styles coming into the Golden Triangle, making a few changes and turning once sub-prime programs into the premier teams in this area. Faircloth and his staff of coaches that almost completely came from outside of this area prove that. Even Neumann himself could fit that bill because he came to the area from a Houston school and brought Nederland back to prominence after thirty years of less than stellar results. The point is that coaches who introduce something new to the area typically have a great deal of success. Why? Because they come from different areas where the competition is a great deal more diverse.

[quote name="The-NHS" post="1031730" timestamp="1312513439"] [quote author=PN-G bandkid link=topic=86221.msg1031728#msg1031728 date=1312513153] Hey bud, it's one ideology based on four years of constant observation of the Texas high school football scene, eighteen years of listening the Southeast Texas corps of armchair quarterbacks and two seasons' worth of following this site. You can take it or leave it. Again, in the end, only time will tell. ;) [/quote] Time will tell that I will see an offense I've never seen before? Suggesting MCM will be it? They do play on a 100 yd football field in odessa right? We are talking about football and not futbol right? I wonder what kind of offenses they run in DFW or Austin area. [/quote] Hey, like I said, take it or leave it. I just think Nederland is going to have some shocks and see some things that they haven't really seen before. Is it really that hard to believe that a coach from a much more competitive school in a larger classification might leave his opponents some raised eyebrows saying "didn't see that one coming"? I think not considering that it's already happened quite a few times in the last two seasons.

[quote name="The-NHS" post="1031726" timestamp="1312512958"] [quote author=PN-G bandkid link=topic=86221.msg1031724#msg1031724 date=1312512833] [quote author=The-NHS link=topic=86221.msg1031723#msg1031723 date=1312512719] Do they all stand up in awe and scratch their foreheads? [/quote] Nope, typically just the other team. ;) [/quote] I can assure you that when a trick play is successful the other team doesn't scratch their heads in awe of something never seen or done before in this area. [/quote] Hey bud, it's one ideology based on four years of constant observation of the Texas high school football scene, eighteen years of listening the Southeast Texas corps of armchair quarterbacks and two seasons' worth of following this site. You can take it or leave it. Again, in the end, only time will tell. ;)

[quote name="The-NHS" post="1031723" timestamp="1312512719"] Do they all stand up in awe and scratch their foreheads? [/quote] Nope, typically just the other team. ;)

[quote name="dawgnut" post="1031719" timestamp="1312512490"] Bandkid admit it, under Burnett the only thing you ever saw was run left, right, and up the middle. Welcome to the new and exciting world of football where teams actually have more than three plays in the book ;D The Dogs have played other teams that have used more plays than three. So I'm guessing from your post that the Indians have reinstalled the old send the WR to the sidelines and act like he's talking to the coach play, I can't wait for that one ;) [/quote] Man, I [b]hope[/b] the rest of Nederland is thinking that same thing. :D

[quote name="bigdog" post="1031683" timestamp="1312505970"] You haven't been watching too closely Bandkid, Neumann has changed up his offense several times over the years to reflect his personnel.  (Spread, I, Pro, Wilddog last year).  So I don't think you will see the same thing this year from what I have heard but there are only so many ways to run an offense, and I am sure they have all been done in the last 100 years of football.  Nothing is really groundbreaking.  I do agree that all bets are off for the rivalry.  I took a friend to a MCM a few years ago and was telling him how close the games were and how tight the rivalry is and the game ended 42-10.  The next year it was 22-19. So you never know. [/quote] That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that just about anything Neumann uses is going to be something he's probably at least tried out at Nederland at some point. Even Ned fans here have admitted that he's going back to an offense he ran in the late 90s. Faircloth, on the other hand, is using stuff most longtime PN-G fans (including fans who have been around since the 50s and know every play by name) have never seen the Indians use before. One of the discussions I've seen pop up on this site and the PN-G site before is the difference in ideologies between football coaches in Southeast Texas and football coaches in other areas of the state. I've also seen a dozen or more posts in which longtime SETX football followers (some from PN-G, some not) stated specifically that Faircloth has used things not often seen on SETX football fields, if seen here at all. Once again, every time people in the stands, former football players included, think they have Faircloth figured out, he pulls something completely new and unexpected. A great example would be the pass made around halftime (can't remember if it was right before or right after) at the Manvel game last year in which the football was handed off probably half a dozen times to half a dozen different players running all across the field as though perfectly orchestrated before it worked its way back to Doty, who made a perfect spiral to an almost completely uncovered Jace Nelson 70 yards down the field while the Manvel secondary sat there scratching their heads. Nobody saw it coming and many eighty year old fans commented that they had never seen PN-G pull a trick like that. There have probably been a dozen or so other plays that had the same reaction. I'll admit, for argument's sake, that Faircloth probably doesn't know all of Neumann's tricks. With that said, I know Neumann's resourcefulness is well known, but I haven't seen tricks come out of Neumann's play-calling like I've seen come out of Faircloth's. Granted, I haven't seen Neumann coach half as much as Faircloth, but MCM also isn't the only time I've seen Neumann in action, either. And even if you take play-calling out of the equation and call the two even in that regard, Neumann's program has been implemented for almost two decades now. Burnett's program (no offense to the Burnett family, still think he was a great coach that just lost his fire) was in shambles when Faircloth got here. When we start seeing players on the field that have come all the way up through the Faircloth system, Southeast Texas is going to be in for something completely new.

[quote name="bigdog" post="1031668" timestamp="1312504349"] [quote author=PN-G bandkid link=topic=86221.msg1031650#msg1031650 date=1312501956] [quote author=ForeverADog link=topic=86221.msg1031648#msg1031648 date=1312501588] I think we are 8-3 in the last 11 years vs. PNG :o [/quote] That's changing. The teams are tied 2-2 since I've been in high school. But if we're going to go back eleven games, we might as well go back all 87 games in which case PN-G is ahead 48-32-7 with a nineteen game streak of no losses to Nederland, not to mention an eight game shutout streak against Nederland before that. ;D [/quote] Hasn't changed a whole lot since Neumann got there, 12-6 in the last 18 years and 8-3 in the last 11 as ForeverADog stated.  we have put a dent in that overall lead in lately. [/quote] There's a variable in this equation now. Neumann has been coach at Nederland now for 18 years. His system is fully implemented, his plays have all been run, and his tricks have all been played at some point in his career. He's still an excellent, very crafty coach and, based on Nederland's overall performance, a great Athletic Director, but Neumann is one of the old guard. His record against PN-G almost entirely reflects his games against Burnett. Faircloth is running as Head Coach for the first time. His system is not yet fully implemented, and we have yet to see players that developed entirely in it. Every time the fans think they have Faircloth's playbook down, he pulls out something new. He's shown immense flexibility and a certain acumen rarely seen in a young coach. His players have responded with unexpeceted success, and Faircloth isn't sticking with the staples of Southeast Texas football; he's brought in ideas and concepts common to larger, more diverse schools in other parts of the state. If things remain the same (Neumann isn't talking about retirement and Faircloth says he's here for a while), the PN-G Indians of five years down the road are going to look a lot different than they do today, whereas Nederland will likely be running many of the same things longtime Nederland fans have seen before (perhaps not the same thing he's running now, but almost surely something that he's done before). Does that secure PN-G a dominant stance in the rivalry? No. Does it even mean PN-G will win? No. But it does give the Indians a certain edge and it does leave Nederland with a degree of uncertainty that plays in our favor. In the end, only time will tell. All bets are off when it comes to this rivalry. But be aware: you won't be seeing the same old PN-G that [u][b]let[/b][/u] Nederland make up some of that ground.

[quote name="BMTSoulja1" post="1031655" timestamp="1312502527"] I'll jump in on this MC action!  Last year, it appeared that PN-G was head and shoulders better than Nederland, but nederland won.  This year, Nederland should be better than PN-G, therefore, PN-G wins.  There I said it.  I'm rolling with big Ned.  Boo Yaaw!!   8) ;D [/quote] If there's one thing that Mid-County Madness proves, it's that records, statistics and predictions mean nothing when Friday night rolls around and the stadium lights go on. When these two teams meet each other on the field - when these two schools are pitted against each other in any form of competition - anything can happen. The rivalry between Port Neches-Groves and Nederland is ingrained in the very fabric of these three communities and is steeped in tradition. Entire generations of PN-G and Nederland students - generations of many families - find themselves fighting out the rivalry in some way, form or fashion across dinner tables, in churches and at workplaces all across Southeast Texas and all across the country, even the world. Children, adults and senior citizens alike have been taught to take pride in these communities and participate in this rivalry for as long as most of them can remember. While other schools find their rival schools falling off their schedules, moving into different classifications and simply electing not to continue the tradition or even shutting down, PN-G and Nederland have continued to maintain a fiercely competitive environment that has brought out the best of their students, faculties and communities. In other words, we hate each other, we always have hated each other, and we always will hate each other. Scalp 'em. ;D And yes, there's a reason PN-G came before Nederland every time I said the two names in this post. ;D

[quote name="ForeverADog" post="1031648" timestamp="1312501588"] I think we are 8-3 in the last 11 years vs. PNG :o [/quote] That's changing. The teams are tied 2-2 since I've been in high school. But if we're going to go back eleven games, we might as well go back all 87 games in which case PN-G is ahead 48-32-7 with a nineteen game streak of no losses to Nederland, not to mention an eight game shutout streak against Nederland before that. ;D