ANOTHER ICE SHOOTING IN Minneapolis

[DCT]

15 minutes ago, Porter said:

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Now the governor and mayor of Minnesota and Minneapolis want to cooperate. Lol

 

Violent protesters will always be met with the least amount of force necessary to subdue an individual.  That is the law.  Violent protester is your probable cause.  That law has always been on the books.

[OlDawg]

As my background is military/‘foreign affairs’ oriented and engineering—not law enforcement—I was interested in any SCOTUS rulings on distance requirements during an active law enforcement activity. I wasn’t sure of it myself. I just always tried to stay back.

Clearly, Good wasn’t following these guidelines, and Pretti is still not clear as—in the Good incident—the first videos only pick up at the confrontation, and don’t show the full interaction. Pretti was obviously on scene before the widely circulated videos begin. What was he doing? Was he interacting with anyone?

In the rush for each ‘side’ to claim the narrative, videos are being presented that only show what the videographer wants to show.

A layman’s breakdown of distance rulings and rights:

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[Big girl]

24 minutes ago, OlDawg said:

As my background is military/‘foreign affairs’ oriented and engineering—not law enforcement—I was interested in any SCOTUS rulings on distance requirements during an active law enforcement activity. I wasn’t sure of it myself. I just always tried to stay back.

Clearly, Good wasn’t following these guidelines, and Pretti is still not clear as—in the Good incident—the first videos only pick up at the confrontation, and don’t show the full interaction. Pretti was obviously on scene before the widely circulated videos begin. What was he doing? Was he interacting with anyone?

In the rush for each ‘side’ to claim the narrative, videos are being presented that only show what the videographer wants to show.

A layman’s breakdown of distance rulings and rights:

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Did you look at the video?

[Big girl]

11 hours ago, Reagan said:

No sarcasm.  Without any video, it’s my opinion that she was shot by a rogue cop.  

There is a video.

[OlDawg]

18 minutes ago, Big girl said:

Did you look at the video?

I have seen multiple videos in both cases. Have you read the link I posted?

I stand by my statement that—in both cases—the deceased and others were performing illegal actions according to the courts. Just the acts of whistling, yelling, distracting LEO’s, or encroaching on an area is illegal according to the courts.

Does that mean Good and/or Pretti should have been shot? IMHO…I’d think there could have been a lesser alternative chosen. But, I’m not into second-guessing someone in a conflict situation.

I’ve been there in slightly different situations. Although, I will say my situation was me or them. Different.

[baddog]

Woman picks up flash bang grenade to throw back at ICE. It goes off in her hand. Liberals blame the grenade and lack of medics on scene…….

 

[Reagan]

10 hours ago, UT alum said:

That argument has zero credibility. If there had not  been radicals in the Capitol on January 6, 2021, no cops would have been killed. Radicals exist. That don’t excuse murder.

I know facts tend to confuse liberals!

From the article:

“According to Jeanne Massey, a neighbor, Pretti was part of a “Signal ICE” group chat of volunteers who organized a sophisticated operation to track ICE activity in real time and alert each other when agents were in the area.

These folks patrol streets, blow whistles, alert residents, and film operations to disrupt arrests.

That puts him not on the sidelines but plugged into the very network that coordinated responses to federal enforcement operations.”

Fact: if he was not there he would still be alive.  Fact: if he was there to peacefully protest he would still be alive.  
Fact: he came with a gun.  That’s ok.  His intentions were to attack law enforcement.  Planning to use the gun?  Don’t know.  
As it says in the article, he was part of the radical Signal ICE group chat.  
So, fact — everything he pre planned got him this sad result!

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[Reagan]

1 hour ago, Big girl said:

There is a video.

Clarify for me:  the Ashley Babbitt murder, you were for law enforcement?  And what happened with these two people you are against law enforcement?  

[baddog]

20 hours ago, baddog said:

Here ya go leftists. This is what you follow. He is going to get more people killed and you damn sure can’t blame the police….

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I have since seen a video of this same antifa guy. He is a gay cross-dresser. That should make the liberals love him even more. You can look it up. I refuse to post his sickness.

[Reagan]

Why the lame stream media has no credibility!

From the article:  “Alex Pretti has been all over the news since he was shot while engaged with Customers and Border Protection officers in Minneapolis. The fury over CBP and ICE in the dysfunctional city has leftists attempting to elevate the armed insurgent’s status to a combination of martyr and saint.

MS NOW took their brainwashing to the next level by adding beautification to the mix. They heavily enhanced his headshot and displayed the new and improved Pretti on Nicolle Wallace’s show.”

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[thetragichippy]

4 hours ago, TheMissingBand said:

no actual police experts are coming out and saying “good shoot. This is how we train our officers to respond.”

Is there a such thing as a "good shoot"? 
 There are plenty of attorneys and lawyers explaining why this was a justified shoot.  

[TheMissingBand]

11 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

Is there a such thing as a "good shoot"? 
 There are plenty of attorneys and lawyers explaining why this was a justified shoot.  

Absolutely. One that was by the book, no room for disagreement.  A traffic stop where the subject emerges from the vehicle brandishing a handgun in a threatening manner and the officer puts two in his chest. Closed book, problem solved. 
 

My guess is that most instructors for LEOs cringe at what they’re seeing. My guess is also that most supervisors pray that their officers never behave so stupidly. 

[baddog]

Just now, TheMissingBand said:

Absolutely. One that was by the book, no room for disagreement.  A traffic stop where the subject emerges from the vehicle brandishing a handgun in a threatening manner and the officer puts two in his chest. Closed book, problem solved. 
 

My guess is that most instructors for LEOs cringe at what they’re seeing. My guess is also that most supervisors pray that their officers never behave so stupidly. 

You’re not aware of the liberal twist? The stupidity always falls on law enforcement. For some reason, they hate laws and enforcement. Can’t believe people actually think like that.

[Reagan]

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From the article:  “It's clear that Walz, Frey, and Flanagan want this insurrection to continue because it takes the focus off the massive fraud that's been occurring in that state, much of it with Walz's knowledge.”

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[thetragichippy]

3 hours ago, TheMissingBand said:

My guess is also that most supervisors pray that their officers never behave so stupidly. 

I don't think any officer(LEO) (especially this 8 year veteran) wakes up hoping they kill someone. They just want to do their shift and go home to their family every night.....I don't blame them for doing what they think is necessary to not die. 

 I carry most of the time, my biggest fear is having to pull my weapon and use it.  Not only the thought I killed someone, someone's parent or child, I'll have to live with that but it could bankrupt me in court, even if proven justified. 

For me, I hope my Son or anyone I care for wouldn't act so stupidly interfering with LEO's trying to do an already hard job. 

 

[baddog]

 

[Big girl]

On 1/25/2026 at 11:54 AM, LumRaiderFan said:

Change is here, it’s ICE.

 

They are going down. People are going to start killing agents that jump out on them with masks on their faces.

[tvc184]

16 hours ago, TheMissingBand said:

I value your perspective as an instructor of policemen. I expect you to be more sympathetic to the blue whenever any latitude can be given, but I still like to hear what you think. 
 

Can you give your opinion on the two Minnesota shootings? Do you agree with the tactics of the shooter in the first episode (standing in front of the car, shooting as the suspect flees, etc).  Same thing with the second incident… how do you feel about the agent that shoved the lady to the ground which seemed to trigger the whole confrontation? The pistol whipping, the celebration by agents immediately after, etc. Were these incidents handled “by the book,” or do you feel the actions by agents were outside the bounds of what you’d expect from LEOs?

Thank you.

Long version explaining why or short version?

I don’t take the side of officers because they are or were officers.

As an example using the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, on a different sports forum when it first hit the news but was reported as self defense with the retired officer being cleared, I said that it was murder and the DA covered it up. I was chastised for my opinion and the thread was removed after it got fairly heated but not by me. I merely noted my opinion based on the law. After it made the news, the state stepped in and took over the case. The action was fairly swift and indictments came in short order. Not only with three people involved convicted and given life sentences, the DA was removed and charges were filed on her.

I found out that the thread had been deleted when I went back to copy my original comments which were time stamped. I was going to show that I called a retired police officer a murderer when the story was reporting it is self-defense as determined by the DA.

I have arrested two former partners and recommended criminal charges on two coworkers.

I have no issue with calling an officer out for being wrong but the emotion goes both ways. There are people who don’t know the law, don’t like the law or make decisions based on of they like or hate the person in question. Another example is the previously discussed officer on trial from Uvalde. The law in many people’s eyes doesn’t seem to matter as the hatred for the outcome does.

So the long or short version? 😎

[tvc184]

4 hours ago, Big girl said:

There is a video.

There are several videos.

 What do you think that they showed and what laws and court decisions apply?

Can you know what a lawful use of force is?

If you understand the law, both in Supreme Court decisions and the laws on self-defense and you can look at the videos and your opinion is that the officer is wrong, great. Do you know any of that or is it simply emotion that drives your opinion? 

[OlDawg]

48 minutes ago, Big girl said:

They are going down. People are going to start killing agents that jump out on them with masks on their faces.

Please post a single video that shows an immigration agent jumping out at someone from behind anything.

Sure you’re not confusing them with ambulance chasing lawyers?