Austin Metcalf Case

[thetragichippy]

31 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

I write a response and look at it a couple of days later and sometimes think that it doesn’t make sense. 
 

You know what you’re thinking about but it doesn’t come out that way in writing.

Jury picked today 

 

[tvc184]

59 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

Jury picked today 

 

No Blacks on the jury. 

[tvc184]

The defense team says that they are going to claim self-defense. 

[thetragichippy]

1 hour ago, tvc184 said:

The defense team says that they are going to claim self-defense. 

I just don’t see it.  The misinformation is mind blowing…. I’m hearing he was constitutionally carrying a knife…..he was just exercised his stand your ground law….. 

[tvc184]

7 hours ago, thetragichippy said:

I just don’t see it.  The misinformation is mind blowing…. I’m hearing he was constitutionally carrying a knife…..he was just exercised his stand your ground law….. 

Anyone that mentions a constitutional issue is putting up a smoke screen as it has zero bearing on the self defense issue. Anthony isn’t charged in a weapons crime. 

Stand your ground is true but again, has no bearing on this case. It is purely a self defense case. The DA will not argue that Anthony didn’t have the right of self defense. It will be a moot point but if used, it will be another smoke screen. 

Did Anthony reasonably believe that he was about to die or suffer serious bodily injury at the time the force was used? That is the self defense law in Texas. The law says that the self defense used had to be “immediately necessary” to be justified. 

How many fights did you see in school? How many had to kill the other in a reasonable be that he or she was able to die or suffer serious bodily injury because it was immediately necessary to avoid death or seriously bodily injury. 

So where is the reasonable self defense in this case? He shoved me so I had to kill him. He grabbed my arm so I had to kill him. Even if those happened, does shoving a person away justify deadly force?

Juries are crazy and gullible but how can they see self defense in this case? Hopefully the jury will see through the fluff and the county has a good trial attorney.

[thetragichippy]

28 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

Hopefully the jury will see through the fluff and the county has a good trial attorney.

According to what I read, both sides have experienced and good lawyers.  What is ironic is supporters are mad because he has no blacks on jury, but initially had a black lawyer, but ended up with a white one….if race mattered🤷🏻‍♂️

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[thetragichippy]

I've followed this as much as I can from multiple platforms. Currently waiting to see what happens after lunch.   There is thoughts that Karmelo may testify. Based on the defenses witnesses and how they had to backtrack when cross examined, I don't see how he explains it was not murder, and why he happened to have a knife with him. 

[Reagan]

4 hours ago, thetragichippy said:

I've followed this as much as I can from multiple platforms. Currently waiting to see what happens after lunch.   There is thoughts that Karmelo may testify. Based on the defenses witnesses and how they had to backtrack when cross examined, I don't see how he explains it was not murder, and why he happened to have a knife with him. 

What honorable person would have a knife at a high school track meet?!

[JSnipes]

I have not been able to watch anything, but I from what I remember:

--He brought a knife to a track meet.

--He went and sat under another teams tent.

--Refused to leave when asked to leave.

Is this accurate to what has been going on with the case?

[tvc184]

3 hours ago, JSnipes said:

I have not been able to watch anything, but I from what I remember:

--He brought a knife to a track meet.

--He went and sat under another teams tent.

--Refused to leave when asked to leave.

Is this accurate to what has been going on with the case?

The defense hoping for a White guilt liberal member of the jury.

There is no plausible defense however juries can be quite idiotic. Having sat on three juries, I have heard some really strange discussions. It’s where you can’t even figure out where another person’s thought process is even coming from. In other words, juries don’t always follow the law.

Going by Texas law, Anthony needed to reasonably believe that Metcalf was about to kill him or cause serious bodily injury AND Anthony did not provoke the incident. 

[SmashMouth]

18 hours ago, Reagan said:

What honorable person would have a knife at a high school track meet?!

It was definitely a different time, but I can't remember a time I went to a track meet, football game, golf match or baseball game as a student athlete (yeah, I lettered in 4 sports 😎) without a pocket knife as a student athlete. Hell, I carried one to class, to student council meetings, to school dances. I was a teenage young man in Southeast Texas. I always had a knife on me. Lol.

[thetragichippy]

26 minutes ago, SmashMouth said:

It was definitely a different time, but I can't remember a time I went to a track meet, football game, golf match or baseball game as a student athlete (yeah, I lettered in 4 sports 😎) without a pocket knife as a student athlete. Hell, I carried one to class, to student council meetings, to school dances. I was a teenage young man in Southeast Texas. I always had a knife on me. Lol.

In 1982, there was a guy, maybe someone can identify him, I believe he passed away a long time ago. He drove a white Chevy step side single cab truck, had a gunrack in the back glass and had a shotgun on it 24/7. It was so common, no one said a word about it.  Pocket knives, lighters and cigarettes were also carried back then, even underage, no significant problems for you if you didn't make a scene.....

Another thing we used to get away with back then is leaving our open campus and going over to the Party Keg (Gulfway and Main) and buying a 6 pack, coming back to the parking lot by the band room and having 3 each before returning to school......we sometimes sat in lawn chairs behind our car....lol   Never had a teacher walk out. 

So - different times

[tvc184]

The verdict is about to be announced….

[tvc184]

It appears that the verdict took less than 3 hours of deliberation, whatever that means. 

[thetragichippy]

4 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

It appears that the verdict took less than 3 hours of deliberation, whatever that means. 

I'm at work not working waiting for the verdict.....

[BBtater984]

Guilty of murder.... according to KHOU11

[tvc184]

Murder one!

As they say in the movies. 

[thetragichippy]

4 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

Murder one!

As they say in the movies. 

Those knuckleheads on court TV keep repeating 'Wow".....

One said they were expecting manslaughter and the other because of the short deliberation thought he would be acquitted.....and that guy is making a fool of himself. Calls it dumb......

He said he only stabbed him once, it's not murder.....

court tv is biased big time

[BBtater984]

1 minute ago, thetragichippy said:

Those knuckleheads on court TV keep repeating 'Wow".....

One said they were expecting manslaughter and the other because of the short deliberation thought he would be acquitted.....and that guy is making a fool of himself. Calls it dumb......

All hell will break loose by the end of the day

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[tvc184]

50 minutes ago, thetragichippy said:

Those knuckleheads on court TV keep repeating 'Wow".....

One said they were expecting manslaughter and the other because of the short deliberation thought he would be acquitted.....and that guy is making a fool of himself. Calls it dumb......

He said he only stabbed him once, it's not murder.....

court tv is biased big time

And Manslaughter doesn’t even fit the incident.

 They are used to other states and their various levels of murder.

I have said it before, but under Texas law, to convict him of manslaughter would mean that it was an accident. 

[BBtater984]

6 minutes ago, tvc184 said:

And Manslaughter doesn’t even fit the incident.

 They are used to other states and their various levels of murder.

I have said it before, but under Texas law, to convict him of manslaughter would mean that it was an accident. 

The judge allowed the jury to consider manslaughter. 

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1 hour ago, thetragichippy said:

Those knuckleheads on court TV keep repeating 'Wow".....

One said they were expecting manslaughter and the other because of the short deliberation thought he would be acquitted.....and that guy is making a fool of himself. Calls it dumb......

He said he only stabbed him once, it's not murder.....

court tv is biased big time

After the 4th stab wound, then, and only then can it be considered murder.

[tvc184]

45 minutes ago, BBtater984 said:

The judge allowed the jury to consider manslaughter. 

Sure, likely to end an avenue for an appeal.

Manslaughter doesn’t fit elements of what happened. Manslaughter is an accident.

 There was not even any evidence brought by the defense or any claim that it was an accident.

I guess the judge could have allowed a class C assault for an offensive contact as a lesser included crime.