Nederland Bond PASSES!!!!

[A BUC 77]

Pardon the interruption, but where can I get a YES VOTE sign? 

 

[Bigdog]

6 minutes ago, A BUC 77 said:

Pardon the interruption, but where can I get a YES VOTE sign? 

 

You can contact  them here or one of the members on facebook.   

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[PhatMack19]

2 hours ago, Reagan said:

It is my understanding that the school district paid out $2,765 for food and drink at 6 different bond CAC meetings.  Now, my question is, is this normal?  Shouldn't this food be provided with private money.  Maybe the district was reimbursed privately?  But let's say the district did fund this.  Seems like to me a district in such bad shape could have used this money for some technology upgrades.  Maybe some supplies for teachers.  Maybe the maint dept could have made some minor repairs. 

I don’t have a problem with them providing food for people that are taking 3+ hours out of their evenings to help better the community.  

The district provides plenty of people food all of the time.  Why should they provide a spread for the media in the press box at football games?  They are getting paid to be there.  Athletes and other extra curricular participants eat on our dime all of the time.  Coaches and refs at tournaments also.  

If we are going to ask people to spend their dinner time touring schools, I don’t have an issue feeding them.  

[Bigdog]

More attempts to throw garbage at the wall and try to make it stick.   The difference this time is social media where the facts are put out to refute rumors the no group start with facts.  We didn’t have that last time so they could start stuff around town to try and sink the bond with no counters.

[prepballfan]

My entire family in Nederland are voting yes. I have started my own real life survey asking everywhere I go in Nederland. I have had two people say no, two say they were not voting and 26 saying yes. That is not including the family members which number over 10. I see this as a pass. I find it hard to believe that it will fail. Nederland has done a fine job of being transparent, promoting, and following the right avenues to make it happen. Good luck heres to supporting the kids. 

[Reagan]

16 hours ago, PhatMack19 said:

I don’t have a problem with them providing food for people that are taking 3+ hours out of their evenings to help better the community.  

The district provides plenty of people food all of the time.  Why should they provide a spread for the media in the press box at football games?  They are getting paid to be there.  Athletes and other extra curricular participants eat on our dime all of the time.  Coaches and refs at tournaments also.  

If we are going to ask people to spend their dinner time touring schools, I don’t have an issue feeding them.  

Fair enough.  At least you answered!

[BruinGrad87]

Apparently lots of families of young children moving out if this doesnt pass....

[Reagan]

21 minutes ago, BruinGrad87 said:

Apparently lots of families of young children moving out if this doesnt pass....

OK -- I'll bite, where's the proof?

[PlayActionPass]

27 minutes ago, BruinGrad87 said:

Apparently lots of families of young children moving out if this doesnt pass....

It would seem logical when you can get just as high quality of an education in a much more desirable facility with up to date security and advanced technology, just a few miles down the road.

I wouldn't want to raise my children in a community that doesn't want to invest in their future.

[fox]

2 hours ago, PlayActionPass said:

It would seem logical when you can get just as high quality of an education in a much more desirable facility with up to date security and advanced technology, just a few miles down the road.

I wouldn't want to raise my children in a community that doesn't want to invest in their future.

where are they going to go? 

[skipmeister]

Likely Port Neches, Lumberton, Orangefield, Bridge City, or one of the private schools in the areas.

[fox]

44 minutes ago, skipmeister said:

Likely Port Neches, Lumberton, Orangefield, Bridge City, or one of the private schools in the areas.

how come you did not list port arthur or beaumont in that list?

[CardinalBacker]

13 hours ago, fox said:

how come you did not list port arthur or beaumont in that list?

THIS..... the two schools with the nicest facilities and biggest expenditures in the area didn’t make the list. 

It invalidated every single argument that the “yes” people can make. Period. 

Other than “the schools are really old” I guess. 

I’ll bet there are more families threatening to move because (or even FORCED to move) because of the higher tax bills. 

[BruinGrad87]

20 hours ago, Reagan said:

OK -- I'll bite, where's the proof?

just word of mouth talking to parents of children in elementary and middle....

[BruinGrad87]

16 hours ago, skipmeister said:

Likely Port Neches, Lumberton, Orangefield, Bridge City, or one of the private schools in the areas.

people i've talked to have said all of those except bc

[BruinGrad87]

it's only logical for parents to want the best for their children.... if the last 2 bonds haven't passed.... a third marks a trend most people will see as a situation that they want to stay clear of....

[BruinGrad87]

16 hours ago, fox said:

how come you did not list port arthur or beaumont in that list?

im sure some would end up there as well

[BruinGrad87]

2 hours ago, CardinalBacker said:

THIS..... the two schools with the nicest facilities and biggest expenditures in the area didn’t make the list. 

It invalidated every single argument that the “yes” people can make. Period. 

Other than “the schools are really old” I guess. 

I’ll bet there are more families threatening to move because (or even FORCED to move) because of the higher tax bills. 

i will never understand the fear-mongering of paying a little more in taxes on the experiences of children as they grow... the whole reason we love the sports they play and the reason most of us are so interested and fond of this board is because of the good vibes and feelings we get when we think back to those times when we were going through school.... why wouldnt you want THE BEST EXPERIENCES POSSIBLE for the children in your area....? just has always perplexed me

[PlayActionPass]

25 minutes ago, BruinGrad87 said:

i will never understand the fear-mongering of paying a little more in taxes on the experiences of children as they grow... the whole reason we love the sports they play and the reason most of us are so interested and fond of this board is because of the good vibes and feelings we get when we think back to those times when we were going through school.... why wouldnt you want THE BEST EXPERIENCES POSSIBLE for the children in your area....? just has always perplexed me

The only answer I can think of is greed and/or selfishness. 

I didn't have it, my kids didn't have it, so why should anybody else's kids get to have it.

Or, it is my money, I earned it, I shouldn't have to foot the bill for somebody else. If they want it, let them pay for it themselves.

The second reason is why Public Education is in the state that it is in right now and we have people and politicians like Dan Patrick trying to completely destroy public education. It is sad to say, but anytime you vote straight Republican ticket at the State level, you are putting another nail the coffin of Public Education. And when it is finally dead and buried, there goes High School sports as we know and love them. 

[png9mon]

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12 minutes ago, PlayActionPass said:

The only answer I can think of is greed and/or selfishness. 

I didn't have it, my kids didn't have it, so why should anybody else's kids get to have it.

Or, it is my money, I earned it, I shouldn't have to foot the bill for somebody else. If they want it, let them pay for it themselves.

The second reason is why Public Education is in the state that it is in right now and we have people and politicians like Dan Patrick trying to completely destroy public education. It is sad to say, but anytime you vote straight Republican ticket at the State level, you are putting another nail the coffin of Public Education. And when it is finally dead and buried, there goes High School sports as we know and love them. 

Let me give you a reason why some of my family in Nederland is not wanting to absorb any more cost.  Hurricane Harvey was almost 2 years ago & many people in Nederland are still trying to get their repairs paid for, with, or without insurance.  Those who had no insurance are in debt because they cannot sale their property & have nowhere to go, so they are getting loans & trying to get honest contractors to rebuild (Good Luck!)  Many who had insurance were not reimbursed enough for their repairs, and are carrying extra loan debt.  Those that have insurance are seeing the cost of that insurance going up, even though they were not fairly reimbursed.  Not to mention those that have had to replace personal items that were not covered by insurance.  Now, as you put it "greed and/or selfishness" is playing no part in those peoples decision to vote "NO"  They are just hoping to not have yet another increase in outgoing expenses on top of everything else they are going through.  Walk a mile in their "current"  shoes & try to understand where they are coming from.  Do not group everyone together as a whole. Please do not judge!

 

[PlayActionPass]

1 hour ago, png9mon said:

 

Not judging anyone, just trying to get a handle on why?

I said the only two i could think of, I'm sure there are many more reasons like the ones you mentioned. I was not judging, to each their own, I was just giving reasons. 

We all have our own crosses to bear and I feel for those individuals you are referring to. Being taken advantage of is a horrible thing, that no one should have to experience. However, I am pretty sure those are not the ones leading the charge for the NO votes. Those are not the one's speaking out publicly, they are not the Klein's and Reagan's of the world. I'm pretty sure those two fit into one or both of the categories i mentioned.

[png9mon]

18 minutes ago, PlayActionPass said:

Not judging anyone, just trying to get a handle on why?

I said the only two i could think of, I'm sure there are many more reasons like the ones you mentioned. I was not judging, to each their own, I was just giving reasons. 

We all have our own crosses to bear and I feel for those individuals you are referring to. Being taken advantage of is a horrible thing, that no one should have to experience. However, I am pretty sure those are not the ones leading the charge for the NO votes. Those are not he one speaking out publicly, they are not the Klein's and Reagan's of the world. I'm pretty sure those two fit into on or both of the categories i mentioned.

Agreed there are many reasons for "Yes" & "No" votes based on age, lifestyle, kids, home value etc...  Thank God we live in a country where regardless of the uneducated, or educated decision of how you will choose to vote, on this local level issue, it is your decision, and that should be respected. 

We already know how many people are throwing politics into their argument for support, or non-support of the bond.. 

I do not believe anyone wants a local, or state decision for that matter,  to go the way of the madness of childishness, and disrespect that the National Government has system has become.

[CardinalBacker]

I like it when “selfishness” and “greed” are used to describe people who oppose the largest bond issue per capita in SETX History. 

Isn’t it a little “selfish” or “greedy” to vote for a tax increase for all of your neighbors? 

Those are prettty harsh accusations to level just because somebody else’s opinion is that there are obviously less expensive alternatives. 

The sad truth is that the educational system greatly overestimates its own value in the community. I’ll bet that less than 5% of the public can name the NISD Super or more than two board members. People don’t care about the school system, with the exception of high school sports. We’re all here posting and reading... can somebody direct me to a similar site where people show support for academics? Lol. Really... I just Lol’d.

The sad truth is that if you are closely attached to the education system (because you or family work there) you’ll think that new facilities and pay raises for all are totally justified. And if you don’t you aren’t so closely affiliated, you think that maybe teacher should go out and find a full time job if they want a salary that compares to actual full time jobs.  And be thankful that they have ac at their 182 day a year job. 

Nederland isn’t Magnolia... they aren’t a

Outgrowing their facilities. There’s no reason (other than envy) to undertake a project of this magnitude. 

The problem is taxes are too high. If you own a house in Lumberton, you pay property taxes to 4 entities. LISD, Hardin County, your emergency services district, and Lumberton MUD. If you live in Nederland, you pay taxes to seven entities... you’re adding in city of Nederland, DD7, and the Sabine Neches Navigation District. And the crazy thing is that Lumberton can afford turf! People up there aren’t being taxed to death like they are in Jeffco.... and that’s why people relocate up there. I have a friend (former Indianette whose Dad was an assistant principal at PNG high (third generation Indian) who has been living in DFW.  They’re moving back to SETX this summer and they aren’t even looking at PNG as a landing spot. She’s been in Keller and her property taxes have gone up by $3k/year in the 7 years they’ve lived there. 

High taxes are a growth killer. I live the way that taxes go up year in and year out... but according to the Yes people, we can expect our taxes to peak in 2020 and drop after that... who knew that all we had to do was borrow up a bunch of money and our trend of increasing tax bills would reverse? It’s amazing !

[mat]

49 minutes ago, CardinalBacker said:

I like it when “selfishness” and “greed” are used to describe people who oppose the largest bond issue per capita in SETX History. 

Isn’t it a little “selfish” or “greedy” to vote for a tax increase for all of your neighbors? 

Those are prettty harsh accusations to level just because somebody else’s opinion is that there are obviously less expensive alternatives. 

The sad truth is that the educational system greatly overestimates its own value in the community. I’ll bet that less than 5% of the public can name the NISD Super or more than two board members. People don’t care about the school system, with the exception of high school sports. We’re all here posting and reading... can somebody direct me to a similar site where people show support for academics? Lol. Really... I just Lol’d.

The sad truth is that if you are closely attached to the education system (because you or family work there) you’ll think that new facilities and pay raises for all are totally justified. And if you don’t you aren’t so closely affiliated, you think that maybe teacher should go out and find a full time job if they want a salary that compares to actual full time jobs.  And be thankful that they have ac at their 182 day a year job. 

Nederland isn’t Magnolia... they aren’t a

Outgrowing their facilities. There’s no reason (other than envy) to undertake a project of this magnitude. 

The problem is taxes are too high. If you own a house in Lumberton, you pay property taxes to 4 entities. LISD, Hardin County, your emergency services district, and Lumberton MUD. If you live in Nederland, you pay taxes to seven entities... you’re adding in city of Nederland, DD7, and the Sabine Neches Navigation District. And the crazy thing is that Lumberton can afford turf! People up there aren’t being taxed to death like they are in Jeffco.... and that’s why people relocate up there. I have a friend (former Indianette whose Dad was an assistant principal at PNG high (third generation Indian) who has been living in DFW.  They’re moving back to SETX this summer and they aren’t even looking at PNG as a landing spot. She’s been in Keller and her property taxes have gone up by $3k/year in the 7 years they’ve lived there. 

High taxes are a growth killer. I live the way that taxes go up year in and year out... but according to the Yes people, we can expect our taxes to peak in 2020 and drop after that... who knew that all we had to do was borrow up a bunch of money and our trend of increasing tax bills would reverse? It’s amazing !

I have to disagree with your statement. The public education system is a primary foundation for our children's future preparation for 14 (including K and pre K) years for there adolescent lives. Importance wise, it ranks right up there with home and church. During a school year your/our kids spend more time in school than they do at home. They spend more time with teachers than they do with parents (excluding summers. Chances are you public school district is the biggest employer in your city. All or which makes it pretty important.

[PlayActionPass]

41 minutes ago, mat said:

I have to disagree with your statement. The public education system is a primary foundation for our children's future preparation for 14 (including K and pre K) years for there adolescent lives. Importance wise, it ranks right up there with home and church. During a school year your/our kids spend more time in school than they do at home. They spend more time with teachers than they do with parents (excluding summers. Chances are you public school district is the biggest employer in your city. All or which makes it pretty important.

Well said, and don't forget that part about an education being available to ALL members of society; that just happens to be one of the things that sets us apart as a country.