Gasilla

Silsbee 8th is not even in the district title race... They lost 30-6 to Orangefield and 13-6 to BC. WOS 8th is undefeated and has at least a share of the district title locked up and if head to head is considered in the district when ties come into play, then they already have the title won because the only other teams with only one loss are OF and BC who WOS beat....

Yes, good one, T!!

I think OF will grind this one out, shorten the game and take the win! 21-14

[quote name="MrUmp1" post="1320064" timestamp="1352071195"] I find it hard to believe that he would play this year. I think it would have to be a team vote if he did. You don't mess with chemistry. [/quote] Normally, I would too. But this is a little different situation than normal. He is from WOS and all of the players know him. If they did put it to a vote, I think they would vote "yes".

[quote name="VNUPE" post="1320015" timestamp="1352067353"] [quote author=kicker link=topic=105336.msg1319980#msg1319980 date=1352063119] [quote author=Gasilla link=topic=105336.msg1319799#msg1319799 date=1352049382] [quote author=venom33 link=topic=105336.msg1317296#msg1317296 date=1351901546] So we could use him during the playoffs? Is he a jr.? [/quote] He is a Junior and will be available to play in the 2nd round of the playoffs if we are fortunate enough to get there. He is a 6'0" speedster and give WOS some break away speed at RB. [/quote] ?? Gas, how did this happen? [/quote] That probably shouldn't be discussed on this thread. [/quote] I agree

[quote name="TROJANSWIN" post="1319984" timestamp="1352063395"] [quote author=kicker link=topic=105659.msg1319970#msg1319970 date=1352061967] [quote author=TROJANSWIN link=topic=105659.msg1319959#msg1319959 date=1352060980] [quote author=Gasilla link=topic=105659.msg1319795#msg1319795 date=1352048941] [quote author=TROJANSWIN link=topic=105659.msg1319760#msg1319760 date=1352046584] [quote author=griff link=topic=105659.msg1319707#msg1319707 date=1352043076] [quote author=T-Dawd link=topic=105659.msg1319660#msg1319660 date=1352039969] As a Coldspring fan, I would have liked to see Navasota go D1. But we still have play who is infront of us. We all know what happened in the 1st round last year (7-0 win against Bridge City). And WOS, you will not make it out of the region with all your D1 recruits. Navasota, La Marque, or Coldspring will take care of you. [/quote] WO-S fans appreciate your wishful thinking, as usual, this time of the year.  We'll concern ourselves with Silsbee first, then our first round opponent, which will not be any of the teams you named.  You seem to worry more about WO-S and a couple of bragging posters than you do your own team.  ::) Here's some news for you...this year's Coldspring team isn't last year's Coldspring team.  Several teams in this region are better than LCM...so be worried...be very very worried.  ;) [/quote] Your are right, this year's CS team is not last year's team.  They are better.  Just in case someone missed it, LCM beat Coldspring this year.  Okay now that we have that out of the way.  Coldspring played like crap against LCM.  LCM won.  Here's some news for you....Coldspring ran all over WOS last year, and I know WOS is loaded with DI talent that they recruited over the summer and are not the same team that got donkey stomped last year.  Be Coldspring has a better offense this year, so a better CS offense against a better WOS defense =same result.  But, until we beat Bridge City, LaMarque, and Navasota, we won't have to worry about it.  Looks like WOS will get Cleveland in the 1st round.  Hopefully WOS comes out of that game better than CS, and the thugs from Cleveland don't cripple all of that DI talent and give you some excuse to whine about when LM, Coldspring, or Navasota roll over your mustangs. [/quote] Funny how you CS fans can dismiss a beating by LCM and somehow rationalize a win over a team who they didn't even get inside the redzone against... Too funny. [/quote] Wasn't a beating.  Simply a loss.  And yes, once again, LCM won.  Who have we played that we did not get in the redzone against? [/quote] UHHH....He was pointing to the fact that CS, was beaten by LCM, who never made it into the redzone against WOS. You already Drunk? Lol [/quote] That way we are able to justify how our coach could possibly take the starters out of the game when we are winning by 50 points, and let the other team score instead of throwing up a shut out so that the fans can compare our stats and claim that we are the 3rd best in the country. [/quote] And another rationalization... Does it scare you that bad to think WOS MAY be that good?

[quote name="Mr. Buddy Garrity" post="1319841" timestamp="1352053424"] Silsbee by 10  ;) [/quote] Buddy, those flag football beat downs still sting a little bit, don't they?  ;D ;) 8)

[quote name="Farmer Fran" post="1319828" timestamp="1352052629"] [quote author=Gasilla link=topic=105649.msg1319816#msg1319816 date=1352051762] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=105649.msg1319807#msg1319807 date=1352050685] [quote author=Gasilla link=topic=105649.msg1319786#msg1319786 date=1352048437] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=105649.msg1319648#msg1319648 date=1352039271] [quote author=usedtobe link=topic=105649.msg1319613#msg1319613 date=1352036432] [quote author=XDOG link=topic=105649.msg1318851#msg1318851 date=1351981762] I said it once I'll say it again. I cant believe Silsbee folks are even entertaining the idea of a win. Hell you better hope you can at least score........once. Silsbee is a talented team but make no mistake they are not at WOS level. Honestly very seldom is anyone . I just hope both teams stay injury free thru this game and both do well in the playoffs. I'm not from Silsbee or WOS but have watched both play. Silsbee -good WOS- better. way better. IMO [/quote] XDOG, you jackass!  What you say may, indeed, be correct.  Silsbee may not score and thus, may not win the game - but if THAT doesn't happen will you have the gonads to come back on here and tell the viewers how stupid you are?  No, I bet that you won't. ::) [/quote] Like I said earlier, I am amazed at [b]some[/b] of the Mustang fans arrogance. WOS is good (dang good) but if they are over looking(which I doubt) Silsbee they will leave Tiger Stadium with a loss. Any given night anything can happen. You can bet the Coach's from WOS respect Silsbee and know what can happen if they do not play up to par. I believe Silsbee wins this game, but more importantly I wish[b] both[/b] teams much success in the playoffs. [/quote] [quote author=XDOG link=topic=105649.msg1318851#msg1318851 date=1351981762]I'm not from Silsbee or WOS but have watched both play.[/quote] Fran, what do you NOT understand about this statement??? This is the second time you have tried to pin this statement on WOS fans... Please READ! Appears it's a neutral party giving his unbiased opinion. [/quote] Here you go [quote author=XDOG link=topic=105649.msg1318851#msg1318851 date=1351981762] I said it once I'll say it again.[b] I cant believe Silsbee folks are even entertaining the idea of a win. Hell you better hope you can at least score[/b]........once. Silsbee is a talented team but make no mistake they are not at WOS level. Honestly very seldom is anyone . I just hope both teams stay injury free thru this game and both do well in the playoffs. I'm not from Silsbee or WOS but have watched both play. Silsbee -good WOS- better. way better. IMO [/quote] From a previous topic [quote author=XDOG link=topic=105336.msg1312983#msg1312983 date=1351439961] [b]I will say the same thing to Silsbee fans as i said to all others who think they have a chance against WOS. I cant believe your even entertaining the thought[/b]. Silsbee has strong offense which WOs will shut down of course. Silsbee has a weak defense which WOS will score on. I mean it's not rocket science. Is Silsbee the best team in 3a that WOS has played sure but they dont have enough to beat them.JMO [/quote] [quote author=FootballCrazy1990 link=topic=105336.msg1313108#msg1313108 date=1351456266] Surely Jasper is better than silsbee and WOS football players can tell you that. Im making my prediction early but [b]WOS will beat silsbee 20+ & will be the 8th shut out in the 2012 regular season for the stangs[/b] 8) [/quote] [quote author=tam0003 link=topic=105336.msg1313135#msg1313135 date=1351458139] [b]I don't know why teams do this to themselves. Always coming on here talking about how they are going to beat Wos[/b] and they haven't faced an offense like there's and how their team will score 28 points against them. They've only given up a total of 20 points the whole year, but all of a sudden their team is going to crack the code on how to score on this defense. [b]Silsbee will be lucky to get 14 points[/b]. [/quote] [quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=105336.msg1316937#msg1316937 date=1351874173] The boys know who they are plating tonight and nxt week and they are not shaking in their boots about either team, yes they respect each team, but[b] Neither Silsbee or BC is anywhere near the level WOS is on this year. So people please stop the madness with all the WOS better not look ahead and the if Silsbee plays a perfect game they will win. Truth is both Silsbee and BC will get ran off th field THIS YEAR. Silsbeen has beating WOS once in the past 7 years!!! Stop acting lik they are a contender to win state or a year an and year out great team.[/b] I have a Cnote that says BC gets shut out tonight. And I'll give Silsbee 10 points next week in a point spread for any Silsbee fan that truly believes they have what it takes this year. [/quote] [/quote] You were referring to XDOG... He expressed he was not a WOS fan... [/quote] OK, that is one, but there are others. If some people think that Silsbee is going to lay down just because big bad WOS is coming to town, they have another thing coming. So WOS can talk all about their supposed 7 D1 recruits  ::)and all their stats, because it does not mean anything come friday night. Believe me I will be pulling for the Mustangs come playoff time, just not this friday night. 8) [/quote] I don't think anyone expects Silsbee to lay down or give WOS anything.

[quote name="Farmer Fran" post="1319807" timestamp="1352050685"] [quote author=Gasilla link=topic=105649.msg1319786#msg1319786 date=1352048437] [quote author=Farmer Fran link=topic=105649.msg1319648#msg1319648 date=1352039271] [quote author=usedtobe link=topic=105649.msg1319613#msg1319613 date=1352036432] [quote author=XDOG link=topic=105649.msg1318851#msg1318851 date=1351981762] I said it once I'll say it again. I cant believe Silsbee folks are even entertaining the idea of a win. Hell you better hope you can at least score........once. Silsbee is a talented team but make no mistake they are not at WOS level. Honestly very seldom is anyone . I just hope both teams stay injury free thru this game and both do well in the playoffs. I'm not from Silsbee or WOS but have watched both play. Silsbee -good WOS- better. way better. IMO [/quote] XDOG, you jackass!  What you say may, indeed, be correct.  Silsbee may not score and thus, may not win the game - but if THAT doesn't happen will you have the gonads to come back on here and tell the viewers how stupid you are?  No, I bet that you won't. ::) [/quote] Like I said earlier, I am amazed at [b]some[/b] of the Mustang fans arrogance. WOS is good (dang good) but if they are over looking(which I doubt) Silsbee they will leave Tiger Stadium with a loss. Any given night anything can happen. You can bet the Coach's from WOS respect Silsbee and know what can happen if they do not play up to par. I believe Silsbee wins this game, but more importantly I wish[b] both[/b] teams much success in the playoffs. [/quote] [quote author=XDOG link=topic=105649.msg1318851#msg1318851 date=1351981762]I'm not from Silsbee or WOS but have watched both play.[/quote] Fran, what do you NOT understand about this statement??? This is the second time you have tried to pin this statement on WOS fans... Please READ! Appears it's a neutral party giving his unbiased opinion. [/quote] Here you go [quote author=XDOG link=topic=105649.msg1318851#msg1318851 date=1351981762] I said it once I'll say it again.[b] I cant believe Silsbee folks are even entertaining the idea of a win. Hell you better hope you can at least score[/b]........once. Silsbee is a talented team but make no mistake they are not at WOS level. Honestly very seldom is anyone . I just hope both teams stay injury free thru this game and both do well in the playoffs. I'm not from Silsbee or WOS but have watched both play. Silsbee -good WOS- better. way better. IMO [/quote] From a previous topic [quote author=XDOG link=topic=105336.msg1312983#msg1312983 date=1351439961] [b]I will say the same thing to Silsbee fans as i said to all others who think they have a chance against WOS. I cant believe your even entertaining the thought[/b]. Silsbee has strong offense which WOs will shut down of course. Silsbee has a weak defense which WOS will score on. I mean it's not rocket science. Is Silsbee the best team in 3a that WOS has played sure but they dont have enough to beat them.JMO [/quote] [quote author=FootballCrazy1990 link=topic=105336.msg1313108#msg1313108 date=1351456266] Surely Jasper is better than silsbee and WOS football players can tell you that. Im making my prediction early but [b]WOS will beat silsbee 20+ & will be the 8th shut out in the 2012 regular season for the stangs[/b] 8) [/quote] [quote author=tam0003 link=topic=105336.msg1313135#msg1313135 date=1351458139] [b]I don't know why teams do this to themselves. Always coming on here talking about how they are going to beat Wos[/b] and they haven't faced an offense like there's and how their team will score 28 points against them. They've only given up a total of 20 points the whole year, but all of a sudden their team is going to crack the code on how to score on this defense. [b]Silsbee will be lucky to get 14 points[/b]. [/quote] [quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=105336.msg1316937#msg1316937 date=1351874173] The boys know who they are plating tonight and nxt week and they are not shaking in their boots about either team, yes they respect each team, but[b] Neither Silsbee or BC is anywhere near the level WOS is on this year. So people please stop the madness with all the WOS better not look ahead and the if Silsbee plays a perfect game they will win. Truth is both Silsbee and BC will get ran off th field THIS YEAR. Silsbeen has beating WOS once in the past 7 years!!! Stop acting lik they are a contender to win state or a year an and year out great team.[/b] I have a Cnote that says BC gets shut out tonight. And I'll give Silsbee 10 points next week in a point spread for any Silsbee fan that truly believes they have what it takes this year. [/quote] [/quote] You were referring to XDOG... He expressed he was not a WOS fan...

[quote name="venom33" post="1317296" timestamp="1351901546"] So we could use him during the playoffs? Is he a jr.? [/quote] He is a Junior and will be available to play in the 2nd round of the playoffs if we are fortunate enough to get there. He is a 6'0" speedster and give WOS some break away speed at RB.

[quote name="TROJANSWIN" post="1319760" timestamp="1352046584"] [quote author=griff link=topic=105659.msg1319707#msg1319707 date=1352043076] [quote author=T-Dawd link=topic=105659.msg1319660#msg1319660 date=1352039969] As a Coldspring fan, I would have liked to see Navasota go D1. But we still have play who is infront of us. We all know what happened in the 1st round last year (7-0 win against Bridge City). And WOS, you will not make it out of the region with all your D1 recruits. Navasota, La Marque, or Coldspring will take care of you. [/quote] WO-S fans appreciate your wishful thinking, as usual, this time of the year.  We'll concern ourselves with Silsbee first, then our first round opponent, which will not be any of the teams you named.  You seem to worry more about WO-S and a couple of bragging posters than you do your own team.  ::) Here's some news for you...this year's Coldspring team isn't last year's Coldspring team.  Several teams in this region are better than LCM...so be worried...be very very worried.  ;) [/quote] Your are right, this year's CS team is not last year's team.  They are better.  Just in case someone missed it, LCM beat Coldspring this year.  Okay now that we have that out of the way.  Coldspring played like crap against LCM.  LCM won.  Here's some news for you....Coldspring ran all over WOS last year, and I know WOS is loaded with DI talent that they recruited over the summer and are not the same team that got donkey stomped last year.  Be Coldspring has a better offense this year, so a better CS offense against a better WOS defense =same result.  But, until we beat Bridge City, LaMarque, and Navasota, we won't have to worry about it.  Looks like WOS will get Cleveland in the 1st round.  Hopefully WOS comes out of that game better than CS, and the thugs from Cleveland don't cripple all of that DI talent and give you some excuse to whine about when LM, Coldspring, or Navasota roll over your mustangs. [/quote] Funny how you CS fans can dismiss a beating by LCM and somehow rationalize a win over a team who they didn't even get inside the redzone against... Too funny.

[quote name="Farmer Fran" post="1319648" timestamp="1352039271"] [quote author=usedtobe link=topic=105649.msg1319613#msg1319613 date=1352036432] [quote author=XDOG link=topic=105649.msg1318851#msg1318851 date=1351981762] I said it once I'll say it again. I cant believe Silsbee folks are even entertaining the idea of a win. Hell you better hope you can at least score........once. Silsbee is a talented team but make no mistake they are not at WOS level. Honestly very seldom is anyone . I just hope both teams stay injury free thru this game and both do well in the playoffs. I'm not from Silsbee or WOS but have watched both play. Silsbee -good WOS- better. way better. IMO [/quote] XDOG, you jackass!  What you say may, indeed, be correct.  Silsbee may not score and thus, may not win the game - but if THAT doesn't happen will you have the gonads to come back on here and tell the viewers how stupid you are?  No, I bet that you won't. ::) [/quote] Like I said earlier, I am amazed at [b]some[/b] of the Mustang fans arrogance. WOS is good (dang good) but if they are over looking(which I doubt) Silsbee they will leave Tiger Stadium with a loss. Any given night anything can happen. You can bet the Coach's from WOS respect Silsbee and know what can happen if they do not play up to par. I believe Silsbee wins this game, but more importantly I wish[b] both[/b] teams much success in the playoffs. [/quote] [quote author=XDOG link=topic=105649.msg1318851#msg1318851 date=1351981762]I'm not from Silsbee or WOS but have watched both play.[/quote] Fran, what do you NOT understand about this statement??? This is the second time you have tried to pin this statement on WOS fans... Please READ! Appears it's a neutral party giving his unbiased opinion.

As the year has progressed, Jimmy has become more "Manziel like". I think he has that kind of ability and it has really started showing the last couple of games. I'd love to see more of that going into the playoffs. He really has the ability to make big plays and extend drives with his feet. And just the fact that he can run will open up more passes.

Wide left...

[quote name="Txdragon" post="1317136" timestamp="1351886823"] [quote author=venom33 link=topic=105336.msg1317106#msg1317106 date=1351883985] Will he be suited up and ready to roll? [/quote] No, he has to sit for awhile. Sounds like a good talented kid from what I hear. [/quote] STUD!

[quote name="STiger85" post="1316675" timestamp="1351861800"] The Silsbee 7th grade A team is undefeated and unscored on. 252 points for and 0 against. That's for the season football fans, Go Tigers!!! [/quote] What was the score in the BC game? I was at the game and sure thought BC scored.

They don't need to give you guys ideas... LOL

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1313849" timestamp="1351533278"] Silsbee has a better offense than any team WOS has faced. [/quote] I'm not so sure about that. Jasper has a good offense and averages 43 ppg not including their game against us. And just put up 31 last week against Carthage. Not using that to try and say we will win. I don't make predictions and when WO-S and Silsbee get together, you never know since it's kind of a rivalry game. But, I'm not sure I agree with your statement that they have the best offense. LCM isn't bad either as the 40-37 score vs Silsbee indicates.

[quote name="NDNation" post="1313981" timestamp="1351541758"] [quote author=77 link=topic=105336.msg1312853#msg1312853 date=1351397465] [quote author=ST413 link=topic=105336.msg1312848#msg1312848 date=1351396328] [quote author=the-riot07 link=topic=105336.msg1312523#msg1312523 date=1351377078] There must be something good in the water in silsbee lol lets be real guys, silsbee is still the same team that lost to png at home! And let's be honest png is absolutely horrible! Silsbee gets scored on every single week so don't expect their defense to just all of a sudden turn into the steel curtain! Wos will hold silsbee to 14 points or less and score 17 or more! [/quote] Yes We lost to PNG and they aren't having a good year.  This was a game that the Tigers should have won by probably 2 TDs.  We cost ourselves that by dropping several passes.  There were also a couple of big interference calls that weren't made costing the Tigers(one deep in Indian territory that turned the ball over on downs and one on the 2 point conversion try that decided the game).  Yes there was also one that was missed against us as well.  But another key factor in that game was Chris Elam didn't play.  Since he has returned the Tigers have become a more dangerous team in all areas of the game. [/quote]Thats some serious excuse-in! :o [/quote] Might I add that the same Horrible PN-G team that Silsbee lost to, also put up 12 points on the mighty WOS D...just saying. Carry on. [/quote] 13

[quote name="mighymouse490" post="1314053" timestamp="1351546996"] [quote author=Txdragon link=topic=105257.msg1314050#msg1314050 date=1351546811] LaMarque better worry more about Columbia (who rolled Sweeney) while the vaulted Cougars only beat them 19-0. Lamarque has played a pretty easy schedule also. I do believe Cs beat them while LC-M beat Cs and WOS beat LC-M. [/quote] not making excuses,but the teams only play who is in front of them. [/quote] Did you really just post that??? LMAO... Isn't that the same thing we said??? Too funny.

[quote name="mighymouse490" post="1314041" timestamp="1351546112"] [quote author=Majestyk link=topic=105257.msg1314036#msg1314036 date=1351545827] I think last time WO-S played LaMarque WO-S kicked that butt. [/quote] LM won two rings in 9 nine years and was at jerry's world two years ago. wo-s won two....in the 80's ::). what have you done for me lately?? [/quote] At least we've been there...

[quote name="mighymouse490" post="1314040" timestamp="1351545994"] [quote author=Majestyk link=topic=105257.msg1314035#msg1314035 date=1351545723] How many points did PAM give up to Central.  WO-S gave up zero. [/quote] if wo-s stark is the #1 defense, i gues central was #2 to hold wo-s to 14 points and that was late in the game. [/quote] Another wrong assumption... WOS went up 14-0 after their first drive of the 2nd half.

[quote name="mighymouse490" post="1314040" timestamp="1351545994"] [quote author=Majestyk link=topic=105257.msg1314035#msg1314035 date=1351545723] How many points did PAM give up to Central.  WO-S gave up zero. [/quote] once again,if you wasn't at the game or don't post the box score,then don't make a statement like that. PAM moved the ball at will and with ease. wo-s didn't. the score was 23-13 PAM mid fourth. there was noway central was going to win. mitchell caught us slipping and threw a bomb for a td. game was never in question and it was the first game of the year with a new inexperienced line and new qb and they still looked good. what's wo-s excuse?? if wo-s stark is the #1 defense, i gues central was #2 to hold wo-s to 14 points and that was late in the game. [/quote] How many excuses can you have in one post?

[quote name="One4All" post="1314025" timestamp="1351545151"] [quote author=T-Dawd link=topic=105257.msg1314000#msg1314000 date=1351543524] I would bet you would not make it out of the region. Whoever you would play. [/quote] Hey T-DAWD LCM ...... enough said [/quote] That is the same thing that keeps resounding in my mind...

[quote name="jkbtjc53" post="1313842" timestamp="1351532866"] [quote author=mighymouse490 link=topic=105257.msg1313641#msg1313641 date=1351520568] [quote author=jkbtjc53 link=topic=105257.msg1313338#msg1313338 date=1351472533] 7 kids from WOS's defense will be playing college football next year on scholarship 7!!!! Who else can say that from 5A-1A?? I don't think anybody, pleas stop hating and congradulate the mustangs and if they aren't playing your team root for them, they have a rare collection of talent that not many 5A teams get a chance to see on defense let alone at the 3A level. Talked to a coach from a school withing the district, he said this Mustang defense and the talent it has on it this year only comes around once every 10-15 years at this level, and I can't agree more [/quote] (on my bullhorn)please put down and step away from the crack pipe sir!!  who else from 5A-1A?? really??? PAM does that every year. what's your point?? north shore mustangs have the same. some wo-s fans have the big fish in the small pond mentality. get outside that pond and you are nothing. start moving north of orange co and you become the weak teams you been thumpin your chest about beating. i know the TEAM only can play who they put in front of them,but these FANS, just stop,you really look dumb. LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE!! LOOK AT THOSE TEAMS!!! now,i can see if you went through and beat the breaks off of lamarque,stephenville,gilmer,coldspring,or since ya'll THINK wo-s can beat PAM or Brook for that matter. i wish the kids luck and this is not aimed at them,but these dilusional fans. and yes the puppy toilet paper is wrong and so are the fans who believe that wo-s is the best defense in the state...they are not the best 3a defense in the state!!  why?? that schedule that would probably rank in triple digits of the power rankings,is why!! smoke and mirrors 100%. jasper so far,is about the only team i can give wo-s a quality win over. silsbee is the other quality team on the schedule. can't wait to wo-s get tossed out the playoffs like a drunk gets tossed out of a bar >:( [/quote] You see to a normal message board fan your tirad would have shut most up, but with me being who I am, I decided to go do some research, and the results show once again how good WOS s on the field and when it comes to putting kids in school. If you go to rivals.com and type in both schools in the database and look up all the defenseive kids who have scholarships and did sign a D-1 or D-1AA scholarship from both North Shore and WOS since 2006 North Shore has only 3 more defensive players that went to college then that of WOS. The count was 16-13, giving how much smaller WOS is then North Shore that is incredible! And I did count the class of 2013 into both teams totals, and for the class of 2013 WOS has six kids with scholarships North Shore has two. Now with all that said I'm not saying WOS is North Shore or better then North Shore, just saying speak facts! And Don't just come on here rambling off at the mouth because someone might check your answers. [/quote] JKB, I got another quick fact check too. Mouse is hating on our schedule, PAM's wins are against teams with a combined record of 19-39... WOS are 26-40... PAM has one shut out against a 1-8 Channelview... AND gave up 20 to Central, another team WOS shut out.