TexasPanther2012

Neither was I. I’ve literally said common opponents score isn’t the only indicator of who will win, but it does help you get an idea more often then not on the high school level compared to let’s say the nfl for instance. I’ll admit when I’m wrong lol no problem with that, but I will say China spring played a good game and jasper did not compared to the way jasper has played at other times during the season, but tonight China spring was the better team

28-24 Atascocita wins .

I agree they underperformed this year . And again this Brian Barbay that I’m speaking of who is not the head coach at jasper I understand that, but like I said coldspring would run the entire district in football from 7th grade B team to varsity from 08-2013 that’s over 6 seasons ... that’s multiple levels of football so it wasn’t just the talent which yes they had talent but I’m just speaking from my 6 years they had a program each and every year from 7th grade to 12th grade not only did they destroy us they destroyed everyone by 40+ and went 10-0 on all levels freshman JV varsity ... Cleveland for 2-3 years in that stretch was the only team even close .. and then they’d go on to play in the state title game , and in the 5th round in 2010-2012 , he was a great HC/athletic director in my opinion .

28-24 Atascocita up now .. seemed to me to have the better offense all along. However , the play calling kept putting them in some not so friendly situations.

And let me be clear , they would beat my liberty panthers and everyone else in that now 4A district 63-0 from 7th grade middle school B team all the way up to varsity . Every single year from 2008 to like 2012 at least around the time the realignment happened . That’s a program , that’s great coaching, that doesn’t come from just talent especially when you see where cold springs is now .

Brian Barbay at cold spring was phenomenal around 08-2013 ... they’re a shell of what they use to be and they’re even in the smaller classification they were in what’s now 4A when he was their head coach in 2011 and he had coldspring in the state title game against Carthage and they played in the 5th round against Wimberly in 2012 after beating west Orange stark ... trust me coldspring was very well coach and their dad always had Newton well coached , it’s not the coaching.

King with another good punt , AHS starting deep in their own territory again down 10 4th Q

AHS gets ball back after the int and is forced to punt again. The king defensive line is getting good pressure they’re getting into the backfield quick , more reason you’d like to see some of those designed QB runs up the middle ... the d ends for King are getting pressure on the edge in a hurry , when Atascocita pulls the guard and gets in behind him they’re seeing some success but they continue to pass and put their QB in 3rd and long .... King ball again

Atascocita play caller calling the game as if he’s down 40. It was only 24-14 Atascocita was finally driving , got down to the King 10 yard line and threw an INT.... they were doing well that drive with the QB run he’s a solid runner ... not a bad passer either but the play caller got greedy , it’s only the 3rd quarter and they were in the red zone down by 10 you woulda liked to see some QB runs to get it within a score instead King’s ball going the other way.

King forced to punt to open the half , great punt pins AHS inside their own 5 followed by a quick 3 and out , King ball.

24-14 CE King at half

21-14 King

Quick touchdown after the punt by CE King it’s 14-14 in the 1st

14-7 AHS up but just punted.

Gonna catch King vs Atascocita tonight , north shore vs King next week and then north shore against Atascocita the week after that ... should be a good way to finish out the season watching some 6A football.

I think it will be really close! Just looking at the scores against common opponents it’s very close with a slight edge to Atascocita. Not that that’s the only indicator of who will win, but I do think they’re both very good. I’m taking Atascocita in a close one.

I will never forget the 2011-2012 run where Beaumont Ozan upset Brenham who had loads of D1 talent plus New Orleans saints d tackle former longhorn 5 star athlete Malcolm brown at d tackle and tight end lol ... ozan would then play LaMarque in the pouring down rain , they beat ozan and we watched from underneath the bleachers through the cracks because the rain was coming down so heavily but my point is LaMarque was LOADED it wasn’t close , and to see them to from that far up to this far down losing badly to 4A schools when they were a “then 5A” powerhouse . (I do believe If that game wouldn’t of been played in the rain Beaumont ozan would’ve won they had a bad A quarterback who would later on start in college in the SWAC I believe but either way things sure have changed !

I haven’t had a chance to watch any high school football in person this year and I live close enough to that new fancy looking Sheldon CE King stadium so I figured I would attend this game tomorrow . I just wanted to be sure fans were allowed at the games in full capacity? I didn’t know if there was any covid related restrictions. Thanks in advance .

I agree with that as well just didn’t want to come off as a hater but they darn sure ain’t gettin first or second LOL

I absolutely agree . Liberty VS Hj came down to some terrible calls by the refs, call me a homer but I saw a lot of people show disgust with the way that game ended . Either way I don’t see BC being the 2nd place team in this district , there’s just no way .

Lol relax , after last week against Anahuac you won’t get 2nd and don’t group BC and WoS together as if they’re the top 2 teams and it could go either way lol WoS will beat BC 40+ to no more than 10 .

Shepherd just pounded Splendora. Liberty played well against Diboll , that game for me was an indicator that we are a little better than I thought. Not that Diboll is great or anything but I’ve changed my view on the season they’re more conditioned as the year has gone on for sure. Liberty 28 Splendora 14 . I now hope for us to play Silsbee close , and win 1 playoff game for sure , still getting 3rd in district but with the way the bi-district is set up we should win if It is the district I think it is. Which district would Liberty , WOS , Silsbee see in the first 2 rounds ? Yes it’s early but from what I saw I just didn’t expect to do anything but get 3rd in district and lose in the 2nd round maybe even the first . Go panthers !

I like this response. Dead on.

I agree , but Cleveland has a lot of athletes and they’ll be good some years and bad other years but that team always has athletes , so it has to be a little on the program as well , Cleveland is a small town as well not as small as newton of course but it’s the same principle , most never leave . And they had years of success not wos or newton level success but my point is with the athletes they always have , its unbelievable they had that big of a drop off , and that was before they moved up in classification.

I’ve always been fascinated with the success of West Orange Stark , Newton , and in the early 2010’s under Barbay I was amazed at how good Coldspring was. So to me coaching is HUGE. Coldspring being my best case study. After Barbay they were not very good , they dropped in classification and instead of getting better they just became worse. The point of this post is to ask all of you old timers what YOU believe is the key to the success of teams like west orange stark. Is there something in the water ? Yes I believe they have better athletes than a school like Liberty. There’s no doubt about that year in and year out they have better athletes overall. When we played Coldspring in 2009 2010 2011 and they went to state to play Carthage they had better athletes, but recently Liberty crushed Coldspring a few years back , I saw some athletes out there but not as much as they had in 2010, and Barbay isn’t there anymore, so I know it’s not an exact science just curious to see everyone’s opinion on why a team like Newton and West Orange stay successful , but a team like Cleveland goes from a 2 to 3 round playoff team my freshman and sophomore year , to us beating them 36-6 my junior year in 2011 and they haven’t been good since then. They do still have athletes in Cleveland , a little bit different from the Coldspring situation. I’m rambling now but I wanted to clarify the question