BigDawg74

[quote name="pirateguy" post="1207861" timestamp="1333925898"] [quote author=ctowndawgfan link=topic=97736.msg1207813#msg1207813 date=1333910126] Thats a bad rumor that has been started. All the coaches at Jasper teach a full load. OC and DC included! [/quote] Not true. Coaches have two athletic periods PLUS a conference period. That is not a full load. [/quote] By the time you add in what they do after hours, i.e. practices, games, film sessions during the season, it becomes MORE than a full load.  That's part of the commitment for being a high school football coach.

[quote name="ctowndawgfan" post="1207744" timestamp="1333855904"] I would suggest you talk to the assistant coaches before you take someone's word that they were over worked and wanting to leave because of Morgan. They came to Jasper to work for him. His track record speaks for itself. They saw another Carthage in the making. Why else would so many 5A coaches come to Jasper, Tx! The coaches I know are leaving because they say "this place is screwed up inside," "people here don't want a great program run the RIGHT way!" I'm sure there are some coaches that think they work to hard. They need to ask themselves why the coach high school sports. You'll always be under paid. The staff had to construct the "renovations" to the field house. (not new) they worked on it at 5AM and till all hours of the night. I don't see anything wrong with a little elbow grease, especially on something you will take pride in. I know a few people in jasper. Some are in the field house with Morgan, some in the School system, and some in the community. The same things keep coming up to me... "Morgan was the best coach Jasper ever had" "Great Christian man" "Unbelieveable Football coach" "Cared about every sport just as much as football" "Took great care of female athletics and coaches" "No coaches cussed, no kids cussed, and even, no tabacco! Where else can you find that in East Texas?" It's very obvious to me still that him leaving had nothing to do with teaching loads, money, or imuturity. There has to be to many internal issues. He wanted to do things the right way and some people didnt waty to let him. IMHO!!!! ;D [/quote] pirateguy & dawgdad, can I let this be my "response"?  No need in me restating the already stated.  Once again, "IMHO". Thanks ctowndawgfan.  I agree 100%.

[quote name="T-daddy" post="1206952" timestamp="1333657111"] BS BS BS and more BS.....if you dont know what your talking about then keep your mouth shut..neither of the guys you mentioned have anything to do with morgan leaving period...morgan wanted to leave and needed to leave for personal reasons he through the admin under the bus to save face in case he ever goes back into coaching...morgan isnt (I'll just stop myself here)...he is a good coach wish him and his famly the best and hope everything works out...he's young and we have all made mistakes at his age.. [/quote] Oh, how I WISH this was BS BS BS and more BS.  However, I grew up in Jasper and have an idea of how Jasper politics works.  Anyway, if this is a public forum, then I do have the right to express my OPINIONS.  Just like everyone else on here does.  That is why some of end our statements with IMO (In my opinion) or IMHO (In my humble opinion).  So IMHO, I believe that Mr. Coleman and the president of the school board are creating an environment that makes it almost impossible for a good coach to work in.  A good coach has to have the ability to do what they know how to do to be successful.  They cannot be the administration's puppet.  A good coach would refuse to do so.  I will agree with you on one point.  Morgan is young and made a "young mistake".  He has to learn that he has to "stick it out" in these types of situations, not for the good of his assistant coaches or himself, but for the kids he serves.  In the end, the kids are the ones hurt the most. Although, when a young, energetic coach does come to town and looks as though he is doing some good to turn a program around, instilling pride and discipline in its participants, the school and the community, the school board should rally to help support and "groom" him to become more "mature" so he won't make any more "young mistakes". IMHO!! ;)

[quote name="Jbdfan" post="1206436" timestamp="1333575710"] I am not trying to call the shot, but Barbay has the pedigree and the ties to the area that would make him want to stay and grow a program. [/quote] I will say it again.  Who is going to want to stay in a situation (and be successful) as long as there are people in administration with their own agendas?  As long as Mr. Coleman and the president of the school board have in their mind to "save the baseball program" at the expense of the other sports, then there will never be a quality football coach that will want to stay in Jasper. Whether it is Foreman, Barbay or Alvarez.  I think the next really good HC/AD should be able to support ALL  of the sports.  The school board and administration should be in FULL support of the HC/AD and what he is trying to accomplish.  If the administraion has anything but the best interests of ALL of the student/athletes in JISD then they need to step aside and let somebody else do the job the RIGHT way.

It looks like a couple of guys have their own agenda, and they are not taking into consideration the welfare of the kids they are supposedly serving.  Jasper will never have a successful football program and the other sports will suffer also.

[quote name="jdog007" post="1203445" timestamp="1332997703"] Alvarez knows Jasper ,was a coach here before, Coleman is afraid of his success and knows that he's going to cater to the kids and the community [/quote] I think one of the things that Mr. Coleman is overlooking is what is at stake here.  It's the lives of the kids that are being raised in Jasper.  One of the things that football (and a great football coach) can bring to a community like Jasper is Pride.  Pride in one's self and one's upbringing.  That's what I got from coach Walkoviak.  Even now, years later, I can still remember and apply a lot of what I learned in principle from him.  As a team, we were very proud.  Proud to be a Bulldog, and proud to be from Jasper.  Maybe everyone didn't agree with coach Walkoviak, but we had 100% community support. I believe Mr. Coleman needs to rethink his values.  Is it about him and his ego? Or is it about all those kids he has pledged to assist in providing the best opportunity for an education and positive athletic experience while in school?  If coach Alvarez is the one who can help prepare these kids for the next level of football (and life), I say give him a chance and as an administration and a community give him full support.

[quote name="Ruger1" post="1202890" timestamp="1332935256"] There is always going to be disagreement with new coaches and a superintendent, but unless they are asking you to clean toliets you learn to work through them. [/quote] Disagreeing is one thing.  Being placed in a situation where you are unable to do what you are being paid to do is something totally different.  An AD/HC in these situations feel they are hired to do a certain task.  However, if their hands have been tied, it stifles them.  They will feel they cannot do their job.  If they feel like the administration is trying to make them into a "puppet", then a good coach will not want to stay (i.e. the Jimmie Johnson/Jerry Jones situation).  However, if a good coach is made to feel like he has the support of the administration with all of the work he is doing like starting tutoring programs to increase athletes' passing rates and being successful on the field, fostering a renewed love and pride in the program, he wouldn't mind doing extra like teaching classes.  Heck, he probably wouldn't mind cleaning a toilet or two.

[quote name="Cowboys1981" post="1202581" timestamp="1332869735"] Bring Toby, Jack, and Darrell in and pick one of those three and it will get ur program what ya'll are lookin for. [/quote] At this point, hiring any of these coaches would be practicing "insanity".  That is "doing the same thing over again only to expect a different result.  I mean, if these coaches are "top notch", either one of them would be very successful like coach Morgan, start or continue tutoring programs to help the kids, begin to get "buy in" from their players and the community alike and take ownership and pride in their accomplishments.  This may make administration or someONE in administration unhappy and feel threatened.  I feel like (though I could be completely wrong) that administration has a problem.  I keep seeing this name, Chris Coleman popping up.  If he is the problem, then he is the one who needs to be removed.  Otherwise, if this keeps up, Jasper will develop a reputation of having lots of talent, but a place where a coach can't coach the way they want or need to in order to be successful. If nothing in administration changes, don't hire a "Great Coach".  Hire some little "penny annie yes man" that will do what Mr. Coleman wants.  He won't be as successful, then after a couple of bad seasons, he will get fired and it won't be such a big deal. He can just go out and get another mediocre coach and continue the process. However, if people want to see Jasper Bulldog Football restored to its pre-eminence of yesteryear, then administration needs to hire a "Great Coach" get behind him, support him, give him what he needs and the SPACE he needs to do what he is trained to do.  Administration (i.e. Mr. Coleman) needs to do what other admin people do in successful programs. Buy a season pass, get a stadium chair and some pom poms sit in the stands and cheer his team on. (That's two more cents.)

I am an alum of JISD.  I graduated in the 80's and of course played football under coach Walkoviak.  I have been out of Jasper for a while but I keep tabs on the events and things going on in Jasper.  I have been watching over the years the "revolving door" of coaches that have come through the Jasper football program.  It has saddened me because so many talented young men cannot come up in a stable system that has been in place for a while.  Athletic programs, just like some businesses and even families cannot flourish in an unstable environment as this.  Something definitely has to be done.  I do not want to speculate, but it seems there must be a power struggle somewhere.  Coaches who have put in as much time and invested as much energy as coach Morgan seems to have don't just up and leave.  Obviously, there was something much deeper going on and has been going on for a while. I believe the administration does bear some responsibility in this "turnaround" of coaches.  It is their job as administration to help create a positive environment for the coaches to work in.  It is a challenge for a AD/HC to be able to accomplish his objectives (creating a winning program, increasing the passing rate of his athletes, and fostering an environment of structure and discipline) if his hands are proverbially tied.  As long as things are being done in a legal and ethical manner, he should be able to do what he feels is best without being micromanaged.  It would be the administration's job to see to it he is accomplishing the objectives they have set for him and assist him in meeting his own goals.  It would also be beneficial for the administration to show support for their AD/HC in view of the public eye so that community buy-in would be greater.  From this point forward, JISD administration needs to figure what needs to be done to retain the next coach.  They need to make long-term goals with the next coach and work with him to be successful.  This would greatly benefit the school, the community and mainly, the kids. (Just my 0.02)