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Your facts are correct. Your reasoning is sound. Yet, I think it is a number, not a region, that is the "justification" behind 4 teams in the playoffs. That is 16.

I think the time is right for a 409 invasion.

I understand how you feel. Which is why I posted wosmustang's facebook post on the issue. He is a lot more even tempered than I and the words that come to my mind about this "article" well, I simply am prohibited from using by forum rules. In fact, the anger is so deep that I, for the first time, am considering one of those a la carte companies simply so that I don't have to contribute one red cent to the 4 letter network. I'll just mention this last thing and then take dj's advice to get back to football as we currently have a lot of that to celebrate in this area. Reports are surfacing that ESPN is still having financial woes and will have another big time cut of personnel including on-air personalities very soon. When that day comes, there will be many taking to social media decrying the move. I can promise you, I won't be one of them.

2017 HIGH SCHOOL BOYS BASKETBALL SCHEDULE WEEK OF NOVEMBER 27-DECEMBER 2, 2017 Monday, November 27, 2017 Class 5A Vidor 58 West Orange-Stark 60 Private Beaumont Legacy Christian 75 Tekoa Academy 44 Tuesday, November 28, 2017 Class 6A Baytown Sterling 64 Friendswood 75 Brazoswood 61 South Houston 53 Clear Brook 73 Pasadena Dobie 82 Clear Creek 55 Pasadena 34 Cypress Springs 42 Humble Summer Creek 33 Deer Park 68 Fort Bend Willowridge 41 Galena Park North Shore 63 Manvel 41 Goose Creek Memorial 83 Aldine Nimitz 84 Kingwood 45 Aldine Eisenhower 56 Pasadena Memorial 47 Katy 72 Pasadena Rayburn 57 Clear Falls 67 Spring Westfield over Sheldon C.E. King Class 5A Baytown Christian at Baytown Lee, 7:00 pm Beaumont Central 76 Silsbee 81 Conroe Caney Creek 41 Tomball 58 Galena Park 55 Splendora 50 Katy St. John XXIII 44 New Caney 51 Orangefield 60 Lumberton 57 (2OT) Port Arthur Memorial 68 Cypress Falls 84 Port Neches-Groves 46 Barbers Hill 49 Porter 54 Aldine Davis 69 Tomball Memorial at Dayton, 7:00 pm Class 4A Buna 67 Jasper 66 Crockett 56 Diboll 64 East Chambers 59 Bridge City 40 Huffman Hargrave 94 Evadale 59 Huntington 63 Chireno 47 Kountze 56 Hardin-Jefferson 52 Lindale 42 Lufkin Hudson 39 Little Cypress-Mauriceville at Woodville, ccl Onalaska 30 Shepherd 82 Tarkington 101 Hamshire-Fannett 54 Class 3A Coldspring-Oakhurst at Grapeland, 7:30 pm Corrigan-Camden 46 Martinsville 49 Garrison at Timpson canceled Hardin 84 Hull-Daisetta 58 Hempstead 62 Dime Box 65 Nacogdoches 54 Nacogdoches Central Heights 66 New Waverly 69 Bryan Allen 67 Palestine Westwood 65 Trinity 48 Pollok Central 57 Houston Chavez 38 Warren over Sabine Pass West Sabine 53 Hemphill 64 Class 2A Broaddus 68 Laneville 82 Dallardsville Big Sandy 85 Goodrich 42 Groveton Centerville 29 Latexo 48 High Island over Deweyville Joaquin at Colmesneil, 7:00 pm Riesel at Centerville canceled Rusk 53 Woden 50 Zavalla at Burkeville, 7:15 pm Class 1A Apple Springs 44 Spurger 67 Cornerstone at Richards, 7:00 pm Thomas Busbee at Chester, 6:30 pm Wells 85 Elkhart 55 Private Beaumont Legacy Christian at League City Bay Area Christian, ccl Tekoa Academy 40 Beaumont Kelly Catholic 92 Thursday, November 30, 2017 Apple Springs Tournament (Apple Springs, Chester, Groveton, Lufkin Pineywoods) Lufkin Pineywoods 102 Wells 68 Lufkin Pineywoods 96 Groveton Centerville 32 Austin Anderson Tournament (Kingwood) Aransas Pass Tournament (Hardin-Jefferson) Hardin-Jefferson 57 Aransas Pass 54 Hardin-Jefferson 77 Port Lavaca 36 Bastrop Tournament (Kingwood Park) Kingwood Park 76 Taylor 53 Carlisle Krueger Classic (Barbers Hill, Galena Park North Shore, Humble Summer Creek, Port Arthur Memorial, South Houston) Clear Creek 55 South Houston 52 Galena Park North Shore 56 Houston Milby 48 Houston North Forest 60 Barbers Hill 58 Clear Springs 70 Humble Summer Creek 57 Port Arthur Memorial 63 Tuloso Midway 26 Humble Summer Creek 60 Fort Bend Clements 31 South Houston 81 Houston Northbrook 29 Cypress Falls 82 Barbers Hill 43 Port Arthur Memorial 56 Aldine Nimitz 47 Galena Park North Shore 53 Clear Falls 47 Corpus Christi Tournament (New Caney) San Antonio Lee 57 New Caney 45 Corpus Christi Veteran's Memorial 75 New Caney 35 Dallardsville Big Sandy Tournament (Buna, Cleveland, Dallardsville Big Sandy, Huffman Hargrave, Huntington, Wells) Kountze 75 Trinity 66 Huntington 79 Cleveland 78 (2OT) Dallardsville Big Sandy 57 Wells 37 Huffman Hargrave 77 Buna 38 Cleveland 77 Kountze 73 Trinity 62 Huntington 61 Huffman Hargrave 66 Wells 59 Dallardsville Big Sandy 53 Buna 52 Deweyville Tournament (Colmesneil, Deweyville, Port Arthur Bob Hope, West Hardin) High Island 61 Port Arthur Bob Hope 46 Evadale Tournament (Beaumont Legacy Christian, East Chambers, Evadale, Jasper, Liberty, Orangefield, West Orange-Stark) Orangefield 37 Beaumont Legacy Christian 14 West Orange-Stark 69 Evadale 66 East Chambers 62 Jasper 51 Evadale 87 Jasper JV 47 Liberty 58 Jasper JV 17 West Orange-Stark 53 Liberty 44 Goodrich Tournament (Anahuac, Goodrich, New Waverly, Shepherd) Shepherd 67 Lufkin JV 46 New Waverly over Leggett Katy ISD Tournament (La Porte, Pasadena Dobie) Aldine Eisenhower 53 Pasadena Dobie 43 La Porte 79 Katy Seven Lakes 71 Katy Taylor 69 Pasadena Dobie 42 Klein Forest 72 La Porte 58 Lee College Classic (Baytown Lee, Baytown Sterling, Channelview, Crosby, Dayton, Deer Park, Goose Creek Memorial) Deer Park 63 Dayton 52 Montgomery 80 Baytown Sterling 77 Manvel 67 Baytown Sterling 62 Fort Worth Nolan Catholic 67 Goose Creek Memorial 52 Lipan Tournament (Nacogdoches Central Heights) Nacogdoches Central Heights 60 Quitman 18 Nacogdoches Central Heights 52 Keene 44 Lufkin Hudson Tournament (Humble, Lufkin Hudson, Pollok Central) Texas High 71 Lufkin Hudson 54 Pollok Central 46 Whitehouse 37 Pollok Central 53 Lufkin Hudson 45 Humble 99 Marshall 55 Humble 68 Nacogdoches 49 Mansfield Tournament (Atascocita) Atascocita 53 Flower Mound Marcus 50 Mt. Enterprise Tournament (Garrison, Joaquin) Nederland Bulldog Classic (Beaumont Kelly Catholic, Bridge City, Little Cypress-Mauriceville, Nederland, Port Neches-Groves) Vidor 50 Bridge City 31 Beaumont Kelly Catholic 61 Little Cypress-Mauriceville 58 Alvin 52 Port Neches-Groves 35 Nederland 61 Grace Baptist 56 Nederland 48 Beaumont Kelly Catholic 46 Needville Tournament (Conroe Caney Creek, Pasadena Memorial) North Zulch Tournament (Latexo, Lovelady, Onalaska, Richards) Pasadena Rayburn Classic (Pasadena Rayburn, Porter) Pearland ISD Tournament (Pasadena) Simms Bowie Tournament (Martinsville) Splendora Tournament (Livingston, Lumberton, Splendora, Tarkington) Splendora 61 Livingston 35 Galena Park 61 Lumberton 43 Klein Cain 56 Tarkington 36 Tomball Memorial 53 Lumberton 38 Splendora 55 Klein Cain 39 South San Antonio ISD Tournament (Silsbee) Silsbee 100 San Antonio St. Mary's Hall 82 Thrall Tournament (Anderson-Shiro) Union Grove Tournament (Hamshire-Fannett) Beckville 65 Hamshire-Fannett 56 Victoria Faith Tournament (Baytown Christian) West Sabine Theresa Weatherspoon Tournament (Burkeville, Chireno, Coldspring-Oakhurst, Corrigan-Camden, Hemphill, Hull-Daisetta, Kirbyville, Shepherd, Spurger, Warren, West Sabine, Woodville) Shelbyville 64 Coldspring-Oakhurst 59 Woodville over Kirbyville Spurger over West Sabine JV Corrigan-Camden over Spurger Chireno over Hemphill Warren over West Sabine Freshmen West Sabine over Burkeville Hull-Daisetta over West Sabine YMBL Tournament (Beaumont Central, Beaumont Ozen, Beaumont West Brook) Beaumont West Brook 74 Houston Scarborough 46 Beaumont Ozen 73 St. Anthony's 41 Beaumont Central 67 Houston Pro Vision 63 Beaumont West Brook 77 Irving Universal Academy 72 Bellaire 58 Beaumont Ozen 44 Beaumont Central 54 Harker Heights 50 Class 2A Centerville at Riesel, ccl Friday, December 1, 2017 Apple Springs Tournament (Apple Springs, Chester, Groveton, Lufkin Pineywoods) Lufkin Pineywoods 100 TBA 28 Austin Anderson Tournament (Kingwood) Plano 55 Kingwood 50 Austin Westlake 57 Kingwood 16 Aransas Pass Tournament (Hardin-Jefferson) Hardin-Jefferson 73 Santa Gertrudis 46 Corpus Christi Calallen 62 Hardin-Jefferson 53 Bastrop Tournament (Kingwood Park) Austin Crockett 57 Kingwood Park 47 Buda Hays 57 Kingwood Park 55 Carlisle Krueger Classic (Barbers Hill, Galena Park North Shore, Humble Summer Creek, Port Arthur Memorial, South Houston) Clear Lake 72 Port Arthur Memorial 62 Galena Park North Shore 68 Texas City 38 South Houston 52 Houston North Forest 51 Barbers Hill 60 Houston Northbrook 40 Humble Summer Creek 58 Manvel 53 Corpus Christi Tournament (New Caney) Dallardsville Big Sandy Tournament (Buna, Cleveland, Dallardsville Big Sandy, Huffman Hargrave, Huntington, Wells) Dallardsville Big Sandy 58 Huffman Hargrave 50 Buna 59 Wells 38 Kountze 65 Huntington 60 Huntington 57 Dallardsville Big Sandy 53 Kountze 61 Huffman Hargrave 56 Deweyville Tournament (Colmesneil, Deweyville, Port Arthur Bob Hope, West Hardin) Port Arthur Bob Hope 47 Deweyville 33 Port Arthur Bob Hope 45 Brookeland 42 West Hardin over Colmesneil West Hardin 50 High Island 16 Evadale Tournament (Beaumont Legacy Christian, East Chambers, Evadale, Jasper, Liberty, Orangefield, West Orange-Stark) East Chambers 76 Beaumont Legacy Christian 24 Evadale 73 Liberty 59 Jasper 45 Orangefield 28 Jasper 40 Beaumont Legacy Christian 35 Goodrich Tournament (Anahuac, Goodrich, New Waverly, Shepherd) Lufkin Freshmen 75 Anahuac 70 Shepherd 66 New Waverly 39 Katy ISD Tournament (La Porte, Pasadena Dobie) Katy 59 La Porte 56 Pasadena Dobie 61 Houston Worthing 39 Cypress-Fairbanks 63 La Porte 49 Katy Seven Lakes 67 Pasadena Dobie 46 Lee College Classic (Baytown Lee, Baytown Sterling, Channelview, Dayton, Deer Park, Goose Creek Memorial) Dayton 68 Montgomery 46 Deer Park 49 Montgomery 34 Fort Worth Nolan Catholic 58 Baytown Lee 49 Baytown Sterling 68 Fort Bend Clements 44 Deer Park 63 New Iberia (LA) Westgate 59 Channelview 54 Baytown Lee 34 Lipan Tournament (Nacogdoches Central Heights) Nacogdoches Central Heights, 45 Southwest Christian 44 Lufkin Hudson Tournament (Humble, Lufkin Hudson, Pollok Central) Center 60 Humble 56 Center 62 Pollok Central 53 Mansfield Tournament (Atascocita) Midway 61 Atascocita 50 Mt. Enterprise Tournament (Garrison, Joaquin) Bullard Brook Hill 68 Joaquin 33 Nederland Bulldog Classic (Beaumont Kelly Catholic, Bridge City, Little Cypress-Mauriceville, Nederland, Port Neches-Groves) Vidor 52 Alvin 47 Little Cypress-Mauriceville 73 Grace Baptist 52 Alvin 49 Beaumont Kelly Catholic 41 Nederland 56 LA Christian 45 Needville Tournament (Conroe Caney Creek, Pasadena Memorial) Friendswood 59 Conroe Caney Creek 32 Conroe Caney Creek 56 Sweeny 54 Fort Bend Dulles 48 Pasadena Memorial 45 North Zulch Tournament (Latexo, Lovelady, Onalaska, Richards) Latexo 54 Onalaska 41 Huntsville Alpha Omega 90 Lovelady 72 Onalaska 54 Bryan Bryan Brazos Christian 50 North Zulch 44 Onalaska 24 Onalaska 59 Bryan St. Joseph Catholic 41 Jewett Leon 52 Richards 48 Huntsville Alpha Omega 91 Richards 42 Pasadena Rayburn Classic (Crosby, Pasadena Rayburn, Porter) Crosby 62 Houston Westbury 51 Crosby 65 Pasadena Rayburn 55 Pasadena Rayburn 64 Santa Fe 53 Porter 47 Jersey Village 38 Pearland ISD Tournament (Pasadena) Angleton 55 Pasadena 52 Klein 46 Pasadena 42 Simms Bowie Tournament (Martinsville) South San Antonio ISD Tournament (Silsbee) Silsbee 74 San Antonio O'Connor 50 Silsbee 84 Pflugerville 77 Splendora Tournament (Livingston, Lumberton, Splendora, Tarkington) Tarkington 63 Livingston 61 Lumberton 65 Houston Northland Christian 59 Splendora 74 Tarkington 36 Klein Cain 66 Livingston 64 Thrall Tournament (Anderson-Shiro) Union Grove Tournament (Hamshire-Fannett) Victoria Faith Tournament (Baytown Christian) West Sabine Theresa Weatherspoon Tournament (Burkeville, Chireno, Coldspring-Oakhurst, Corrigan-Camden, Hemphill, Hull-Daisetta, Spurger, Warren, West Sabine, Woodville) Shelbyville 51 Woodville 32 Shelbyville 58 Corrigan-Camden 47 Coldspring-Oakhurst 82 West Sabine JV 14 Coldspring-Oakhurst 41 Kirbyville 33 YMBL Tournament (Beaumont Central, Beaumont Ozen, Beaumont West Brook) Beaumont Central 44 Beaumont Ozen 40 Beaumont West Brook 58 Lake Charles (LA) La Grange 35 Beaumont Ozen 56 Lake Charles (LA) La Grange 51 Beaumont West Brook 62 Beaumont Central 48 Class 4A Diboll 90 Laneville 76 Class 3A Grapeland at Crockett, 7:00 pm Leggett at Hardin, 6:30 pm Class 2A Chester at Sabine Pass Woden at Waskom, ccl Zavalla at LSMSA, 7:30 pm Saturday, December 2, 2017 Apple Springs Tournament (Apple Springs, Chester, Groveton, Lufkin Pineywoods) Lufkin Pineywoods 106 Apple Springs, 34 Austin Anderson Tournament (Kingwood) Aransas Pass Tournament (Hardin-Jefferson) New Braunfels 62 Hardin-Jefferson 58 Hardin-Jefferson 62 Aransas Pass 61 Bastrop Tournament (Kingwood Park) Cedar Park Vista Ridge 64 Kingwood Park 42 Carlisle Krueger Classic (Barbers Hill, Galena Park North Shore, Humble Summer Creek, Port Arthur Memorial, South Houston) Barbers Hill 71 Houston Sterling 56 Clear Lake 50 Galena Park North Shore 34 South Houston 58 Humble Summer Creek 52 Port Arthur Memorial 50 Clear Springs 35 Port Arthur Memorial 68 Clear Creek Corpus Christi Tournament (New Caney) Dallardsville Big Sandy Tournament (Buna, Cleveland, Dallardsville Big Sandy, Huffman Hargrave, Huntington, Wells) Cleveland 68 Trinity 58 Trinity 61 Buna 58 Cleveland 87 Wells 57 Huntington 62 Kountze 58 Deweyville Tournament (Colmesneil, Deweyville, Port Arthur Bob Hope, West Hardin) West Hardin over Port Arthur Bob Hope Evadale Tournament (Beaumont Legacy Christian, East Chambers, Evadale, Jasper, Liberty, Orangefield, West Orange-Stark) East Chambers 53 Orangefield 49 Evadale 61 Orangefield 53 Evadale 50 Jasper 48 East Chambers 83 West Orange-Stark 55 Jasper 37 Beaumont Legacy Christian 28 Goodrich Tournament (Anahuac, Goodrich, New Waverly, Shepherd) Katy ISD Tournament (La Porte, Pasadena Dobie) Lee College Classic (Baytown Lee, Baytown Sterling, Channelview, Dayton, Deer Park, Goose Creek Memorial) Deer Park 86 Baytown Sterling 62 Fort Worth Nolan Catholic 60 Channelview 52 Lipan Tournament (Nacogdoches Central Heights) Nacogdoches Central Heights 58 North Crowley JV 29 Lufkin Hudson Tournament (Humble, Lufkin Hudson, Pollok Central) Whitehouse 63 Lufkin Hudson 47 Texas High 61 Pollok Central 50 Nacogdoches 61 Lufkin Hudson 55 Humble over Texas High Humble 50 Center 48 Mansfield Tournament (Atascocita) Mt. Enterprise Tournament (Garrison, Joaquin) Nederland Bulldog Classic (Beaumont Kelly Catholic, Bridge City, Little Cypress-Mauriceville, Nederland, Port Neches-Groves) Nederland 42 Vidor 32 Lufkin 47 Little Cypress-Mauriceville 45 Bridge City 58 Beaumont Kelly Catholic 51 LA Christian 60 Port Neches-Groves 52 Little Cypress-Mauriceville 52 Vidor 40 Nederland 49 Lufkin 44 Needville Tournament (Conroe Caney Creek, Pasadena Memorial) Wharton 56 Conroe Caney Creek 40 North Zulch Tournament (Latexo, Lovelady, Onalaska, Richards) Pasadena Rayburn Classic (Crosby, Pasadena Rayburn, Porter) Porter 51 Rosenberg Terry 47 Crosby over Porter Pearland ISD Tournament (Pasadena) Simms Bowie Tournament (Martinsville) South San Antonio ISD Tournament (Silsbee) Silsbee 73 South San Antonio 59 San Antonio Wagner 100 Silsbee 68 Splendora Tournament (Livingston, Lumberton, Splendora, Tarkington) Livingston 66 Housto Northland Christian 48 Lumberton 53 Tarkington 42 Splendora 70 Galena Park 45 Thrall Tournament (Anderson-Shiro) Union Grove Tournament (Hamshire-Fannett) Victoria Faith Tournament (Baytown Christian) West Sabine Theresa Weatherspoon Tournament (Burkeville, Chireno, Coldspring-Oakhurst, Corrigan-Camden, Hemphill, Hull-Daisetta, Shepherd, Spurger, Warren, West Sabine, Woodville) Shelbyville over Chireno YMBL Tournament (Beaumont Central, Beaumont Ozen, Beaumont West Brook) Houston Pro Vision 57 Beaumont Central 55 Irving Universal Academy 56 Beaumont West Brook 55

Niiice!

Rather than continue to post my thoughts, I am going to post what I saw on facebook from a friend of mine and a fellow WO-S graduate. He posts here from time to time and I know many others know and respect him as much as I do. That, plus I really can't improve on this as setting out the feelings regarding this "article.": "As I was riding back from the game last night, we made the Bucees stop in Waller. Christmas music was playing via my IHeart Radio 92.5 Beaumont. my wife and son were all nestled in their slumber on the last leg from Bucees to Pflugerville. I was thinking about the article that was the latest rendition from the left coast regarding Earl Thomas. Deep down, it felt like the writer had more of a “twist” he was really spinning. To me, the celebrity of this was not really focused upon. I regret that twist on our hometown. We are no different than communities all around the country. We are not without blemish. My hometown struggles to land the next DuPont that carried Orange for years; helping many small business startups we knew as kids. My mind thought of many. The evolution of the market changes, and current global financial paradigms, certainly play a part of growth struggles. However, painting us as a town devoid of “good”, is distasteful. I am not blind to racial struggles, nor socio-economic divides. However, I’ve lost count on how many posts I’ve read about the incredible love, unity, and joint heroic efforts, performed by OUR citizens. In turbulent times, we usually find out who we are at the core, when the “waters get deep”. Everywhere I travel, I’m proud to tell people I’m from Orange, Texas. Even far away in travels, I don’t say Houston, as some people tend to do for geographic identity. It’s always, and only, Orange. So, I guess I feel that the article simply trashed who we really are. Those who know me best, know that I’m not silent when the time comes to stand for truth. Well, this time is no different. Orange, Texas is a wonderful community. It’s diverse. It’s a place where kids are all really friends. It’s a people proud of hard work and accomplishments. We are not the To Kill A Mockingbird idiots. We are a wonderful story of people who make their way. We are a people that are a whole lot more alike, than a FEW want it to be. I love my town. I can’t be silent on letting us be painted in a light that goes beyond the smudges on our shirts, without stating all the beauty of who I know Orange folk to be. Don’t be concerned too much about the few instances of bad vs the incredible stories, of incredible families, friends, events, heritages, etc..... In the book Friday Night Lights, the author went to Odessa and took full advantage of ripping that town. Some truths were stated. But, he made a killing at the expense of some incredible people. I felt this way in this article I read yesterday. Stay off all my homies in Orange. We are better than that!!!! Not without blemish, but so much more than that “agenda” in the article. I love you Fruit City."

The Paris News‏ @TheParisNews 1m1 minute ago Q4: 1:22: Lovelady 20, Rivercrest 22. Lucah Strickland runs it in from 1 yard out and Triston Cain gives Rebels lead with 2-pt. run. What a comeback!

Turned the ball over 4, maybe 5 times and got the ball run right down their throats.

The Paris News‏ @TheParisNews 5m5 minutes ago Q4: 9:43: Lovelady 20, Rivercrest 14. Lions claim first lead of game on rushing TD and convert on 2-pt. conversion. Rebels to receive.

FINAL: Salado 63, Liberty 14

TD Salado, PAT is good. Salado 63, Liberty 14 with 3 minutes left

TD Liberty, KK Antoine. With 6:03 left in the game, Salado 56, Liberty 14

6-6 10:00 3rd

Any word on where? When?

Liberty finally gets a break on the Salado fumble

Squib kick hits a Panther, Salado recovers.

TD Salado, PAT is good. With 11:44 left in the game, Salado 56, Liberty 7

End 3rd, Salado 49, Liberty 7

Salado with a 63 yd TD run, PAT is good. With 3:32 left in the 3rd, Salado 49, Liberty 7

Salado scores on their first drive of the 2nd half, PAT is good. With 7:12 left in the 3rd, Salado 42, Liberty 7

6 pm Saturday in Carthage

Halftime: Bogata Rivercrest 6 Lovelady 0.

Daily Sun sports‏ @dailysunscores 1m1 minute ago Final Carlisle 41 Kerens 31

Way to go, Brahmas!

3 turnovers in the 1st half