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I thank you very much for your insight Grad. You have made me take a step back for the good. I think you know where I am coming from on most of this, but I thank you for making me rethink on how I view this from here on out. I still believe the administration could do something here, maybe put it to the girls as they need to honor their commitment to the volleyball team in order to cheer or dance at the game.

LOL...... w, you don't know the half of it. This has all been a real hoot for me. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It's involving a football game, it has every right to be in this forum. Checked with the owner on that one.

Kerry, I told you I would do so until you know when. I agree, 100% of the blame shouldn't be on Dan, but a big part of it should. He could nip this in the bud if he wanted too. What's he gonna do AAW? He'll meet with the coach, I'm sure and get her take on it. But if the girls decide they want to quit the vb squad and go to the fb game, what's she gonna do? But the question is, have the girls quit the team or will they be allowed back to play next week? My deal about Hooks is that he is over all athletics at WOS, he does have a say in all this.

But I think more than you know. ;D Are you saying that Hooks is TOTALLY innocent of all this and can do nothing at all about it?

Kerry, I told you I would do so until you know when. I agree, 100% of the blame shouldn't be on Dan, but a big part of it should. He could nip this in the bud if he wanted too.

Thank you, Gary Stelly!!!! Gary Stelly, KOGT.com Members of the West Orange-Stark volleyball team would rather attend Friday's non-district football game in Brookshire than play a district game against Hardin-Jefferson, forcing the Mustangs to forfeit the game because they wouldn't have enough players. Several members of the team are also on the cheerleading squad or drill team and would rather attend the game. And most if not all, are being supported by their parents. Why? Because they have to pay for their kids to be a part of those squads (uniforms, etc.) but not to wear a volleyball uniform. In other words, they want their money's worth. But you don't have to have a certain number of cheerleaders or drill team members to participate on a Friday night. However you do have to have at least six to play volleyball. The move put volleyball coach Gwen Kelly in a pickle. She attempted to get the game moved by Hardin-Jefferson but they said no because of prior commitments. And since it doesn't involve weather, sickness, or death, they shouldn't have to change. So rather than play as a team, a team you joined voluntarily, you abandon your team and your school. And will there be repercussions? Probably not. Let's add that this is a game that they could win! Until this year when Coach Kelly brought her daughter to WOS from Silsbee, the volleyball team hadn't won in two years. They're 12-7 this season and have a chance to win their first district game....nah, let's go to the football game. Now don't blame football. Many have told me they're making them go to football and it's football's decision. Please. Although Dan Hooks hasn't said it, I've known him long enough to know unless you're wearing a uniform or a coaches shirt, he could care less. Maybe you can blame Hooks as the athletic director for not making them play. So let's say he says they have to play and so they just decide to quit instead. Why not? They'd obviously rather cheer and dance. Kelly, who is also the cheerleading sponsor (go figure) to which her daughter is also a member, had to have known this would be a problem at the beginning of the season, as well as the girls and parents involved. If you play basketball, you shouldn't expect as long of a Christmas break. If you play baseball or softball, don't expect a full week of Spring Break. If you play volleyball, there's a chance you might not make it to every football game. If there aren't enough kids that want to play, which includes not having a freshman team already, why not just cancel the season? WOS is cash strapped and has cut just about every sports budget anyway. Save the coaching stipends, the money spent on balls, uniforms, referees, custodians, bus trips, electricity for the gym, and the embarrassment, and give it to the sports that have kids that want to play. That's what happened to soccer. Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. But in 25 years I've never seen anyone forfeit a district game in any sport. You probably wouldn't have even known what was going on if you haven't read my story or Van's in the Leader. But I've talked to a dozen coaches, some at WOS, who collectively said, "over my dead body" would this be acceptable on my team. I was hoping to get Kelly's response to all of this but my call has not been returned. One volleyball coach said, "It sucks. WOS has improved enough that they could possibly sneak up and beat a playoff contender. I'm not happy about them giving one of them a win for free." In the words of former NFL coach Herm Edwards, "You play to win the game." You don't cheer to win or dance to win. I would not want to be the one who cost my team a game. Maybe that's "old school" thinking. Maybe priorities have changed. By the way, WO-Cove is letting school out at noon on Friday for those that may want to attend the 7:30pm non-district football game. According to Texas Travel it takes two hours and fifteen minutes to get to Brookshire. Directions are on the sports page.

I don't know. What's that got to do with this thread?

Then why is she a volleyball coach?

"After watching banned video, WOS AD Hooks decides to actually suit up one of the school's volleyball players for his Friday night football game which was mocked in the video" (how ironic) ;D

To follow up, Weed, a football game that is meaningless as far as playoffs are concerned. Great post Weed, agree 100%.

Good one.

Finally, some sense is being made over there. Ex-Ceauxch, do we have you to thank for this?

It was a joke pointed squarely at the WOS volleyball debacle. Sorry I wasn't clear enough about that. I apologize.

Please show me where you read this because by all counts, this will be a forfeit.

How many cheerleaders and drill team members will be participating in this meaningless volleyball game? : How about both teams forfeit? ;D

I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It's not for me to decide but it seems as though it needs to be right in your eyes or it's wrong! No. I am only speaking for myself. It doesn't need to be right in my eyes. Right is right, wrong is wrong. Many folks have posted the same opinion as mine and all think that this is wrong. There are many folks out there that do not stand up and complain when they have been wronged. This could very well be the case. It still shouldn't stop anyone from voicing (or complaining as you put it) about what they think is wrong about this situation.

Just because someone hasn't spoken out about it that are involved in this, doesn't mean that it is not wrong and okay for this to happen. Maybe these folks feel a bit intimidated about coming forward.

Perhaps your right---I wonder if the HJ folks who planned on watching their daughters play Friday feel also ---might be considerate to ask them to come watch the WOS football game since their plans have changed.? I would suspect that the 3 girls from WOS that aren't affiliated with the drill team or cheer aren't very happy and their parents probably aren't either but I was just saying we haven't heard from any of those people. This is true, td. But contrary to popular belief, everyone in the Southeast Texas area is not a member of this site, yet. ;D

1. Your Moderator 2. Your a Poster of thread 3. Your a Hater of WOS 4. Deleted two post that posted against you.... Can't win against the Mod Mafia! I'm GONE! 1. Your Moderator (actually, an administrator) 2. Your a Poster of thread (what thread, if this one, I am one a several, including other mods and admins) 3. Your a Hater of WOS (not true, but that's your opinion) 4. Deleted two post that posted against you.... (posts get deleted all the time by many moderators, not just me, even the posts that are about me) Again, what evidence? So long, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. ;D

What evidence?

I agree, I would much rather see them play on Mondays and Thursdays. Why was it changed from years past? Mike you are getting good at deleting my post off! Let me try again...... "Mike since you know so much about everything, go get you a UIL rule book and read it. It talks about how many games you can play from Monday to Thursday". First of all Randy Ragsdale, I did not delete your post. Also, jealousy will shorten your life.

Obviously the point that's being missed here is that a game is being forfeited, a district game at that, not playing it shorthanded. The volleyball team isn't being given the chance to put bench warmers or JV players like the ones you mention in the baseball/soccer situation. The decision is to forfeit. That's a much different point than the one you are making. That baseball game you speak of was not a district game. This to me is what sets these two apart.

It is not just a game, it's a district game Gabriel Pruett The Orange Leader To play or not to play, why is that even a question? The West Orange-Stark Lady Mustangs volleyball team is set to take a forfeit this Friday against Hardin-Jefferson Lady Hawks. The reason being is parents and players went to head coach Gwen-Kelly Hall and athletic director Dan Hooks and said eight of the team’s 11 players would be attending the Mustangs’ non-district football game at Brookshire Royal instead. Football is king in Southeast Texas, that is no secret, but non-district football means nothing towards the playoff race. Those players are part of either the drill team or cheerleaders and have a huge part in each and every football game. The problem I have is Friday night is in no way a drill team or cheerleader contest. The volleyball match does count for wins and losses and also has effects on other District 21-3A volleyball teams. The forfeit hands Hardin-Jefferson a victory without even playing. What if that lone victory assists the Lady Hawks into the playoffs over one of the other district teams? It is not right. Players make a committment to teams and parents should be the ones who stand up and demand their children to stick to a team attitude. WO-S volleyball is having one of its best seasons in volleyball, record wise, in several years with a 12-7 mark. I in know way am against Coach Kelly-Hall, she has done a fine job with which she has had to work with other the last several years. I know if I was a coach and I had players wanting to attend another event, I would quickly be looking for new players to make up my roster. It is not fair to the three other Lady Mustangs’ volleyball players to take a loss simply because a majority of the team has something better to do. The Mustangs are not playing in a state championship game Friday, it is a non-district game on the other side of Houston. I spoke to several other volleyball coaches and they reported players who skip a district game to attend a non-district football game would be finding another sport to play in a hurry. What is right is right and allowing a district volleyball game to not be played is far from right.

It is not just a game, it's a district game Gabriel Pruett The Orange Leader To play or not to play, why is that even a question? The West Orange-Stark Lady Mustangs volleyball team is set to take a forfeit this Friday against Hardin-Jefferson Lady Hawks. The reason being is parents and players went to head coach Gwen-Kelly Hall and athletic director Dan Hooks and said eight of the team’s 11 players would be attending the Mustangs’ non-district football game at Brookshire Royal instead. Football is king in Southeast Texas, that is no secret, but non-district football means nothing towards the playoff race. Those players are part of either the drill team or cheerleaders and have a huge part in each and every football game. The problem I have is Friday night is in no way a drill team or cheerleader contest. The volleyball match does count for wins and losses and also has effects on other District 21-3A volleyball teams. The forfeit hands Hardin-Jefferson a victory without even playing. What if that lone victory assists the Lady Hawks into the playoffs over one of the other district teams? It is not right. Players make a committment to teams and parents should be the ones who stand up and demand their children to stick to a team attitude. WO-S volleyball is having one of its best seasons in volleyball, record wise, in several years with a 12-7 mark. I in no way am against Coach Kelly-Hall, she has done a fine job with which she has had to work with other the last several years. I know if I was a coach and I had players wanting to attend another event, I would quickly be looking for new players to make up my roster. It is not fair to the three other Lady Mustangs’ volleyball players to take a loss simply because a majority of the team has something better to do. The Mustangs are not playing in a state championship game Friday, it is a non-district game on the other side of Houston. I spoke to several other volleyball coaches and they reported players who skip a district game to attend a non-district football game would be finding another sport to play in a hurry. What is right is right and allowing a district volleyball game to not be played is far from right.