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What exactly makes his opinion delusional?

Well said North.  I agree, and second your comment: [quote name="NorthoftheBorder" post="847950" timestamp="1284565352"]I am in the camp of wishing that LU would move to FBS if possible.[/quote]

I thought this "convo" was over?   Would you prefer I use your method of hard evidence?

[quote name="UNLV" post="847797" timestamp="1284522052"] Everyone see how you cherry pick and dismiss away at my post. [/quote] LOL at "cherry picking".  Look back at your posts for great examples of cherry picking.  All I've asked for is your hard evidence; all I get is wishful thinking and a lot of dodging.  When I counter your arbitrary justifications, we see how you react.  I'm OK with that; just be prepared to explain the next time you are critical of someone bringing facts to the table.  [quote author=UNLV link=topic=72367.msg847797#msg847797 date=1284522052]You are not interested in what I posted.[/quote] I'm interested in where you get your information.  You rely on 20+ year old data to support your ideas.  No business model would ever move forward following that logic.  And it appears that our LU administration agrees.  [quote author=UNLV link=topic=72367.msg847797#msg847797 date=1284522052]If it was, all fcs move up results would be the same[/quote] Bingo.  Thanks for supporting my point. 

That's the lack of justification I was expecting.  Surely UNLV's professors taught you that past performance is no indication of future results.  I'm assuming you are talking about attendance values from 30 years ago.  Do you think LU administrators should be using that as their rationale, or should they be looking at hard data from similar models?    You said LU became a flop when switching to FCS.  Would you be willing to say there are no schools that became a flop (poor record, low attendance, budgetary problems) when switching to FBS? I'm curious though . . . you say a "packed house" occurred when Lamar played at the highest level.  I saw that when Lamar plays an NAIA team, a sellout.  It appears that there is no lack of community support.  So, why the need to move up?

So you're predicting a 150% increase in average home attendance if Lamar goes FBS?  That's quite a prediction, given this board's opinion of how strongly SETX fans wanted football back.  Where will the extra 15,000 (assuming the visiting team FCS or FBS team brings the same proportion of fans) attending fans come from for FBS, and why wouldn't they show up for FCS games?  Please provide evidence for the 150% increase. I'm sure the best model would be looking at what attendance has been at other schools before vs. after making the FBS switch. Any feasibility study is going to have to evaluate a worst-case scenario.  16 million doesn't sound so arbitrary, so I'm guessing you obtained this value from a similar-sized school that made or is making the switch?  However, in an evaluation of cost effectiveness (i.e. profit/loss), "that depends on several/other factors" won't work.  I'm hoping our administration doesn't look at it from a "that depends" focus.   So we will average the same team record whether we're FBS or FCS?  I'm guessing that you are assuming our level of recruits/signees immediately increases proportionally.  I believe there have been 18 or 19 FCS-to-FBS schools since the late 1980s.  Can I assume your 7-5 record parallels what happened at these schools regardless of the fact that we will be (according to your schedule) within five years of being a start-up team? So you're saying that we will see a 150% increase in attendance and average seven wins a year after becoming FBS.  Before I comment on that I'm going to wait to see where your numbers came from.  I hope they're not all arbitrary.   [b]"If your child is slow in the morning, he/she can miss the bus"[/b].   ???  That is your rationale?

North--those are valid points you make, but I can assure you there's no hostility and I apologize if it appeared as such.  However, every time someone posts about other conferences or the future of Lamar football, UNLV jumps in with statements about how we need to immediately seek FBS status.  When others reply with the vast amount of work, detail, and requirements involved, not to mention the fact that we are a start-up program, UNLV interjects with how they are not 'forward thinkers', or evidently they are content with being second tier.  He has yet to provide evidence that we can afford/maintain FBS status while making tremendous assumptions of what will happen should the switch be made.  He's critical of the FCS approach others suggest, so I'm simply asking him to post the numbers and evidence he has for making the switch to FBS.  It currently appears that his justification is that the door is closing, and we need to move now.  Much like a real estate agent telling a prospective buyer that someone else is looking at the property, so you need to "sign now".  No matter whether you can afford it, just do it.   UNLV, I'm looking forward to analyzing your numbers tonight.  

As I expected UNLV you delivered . . . two sentences.  And avoided the question I asked regarding your justifications.   So, to make it simpler for you, for the first round I will frame my questions so that you can simply reply and fill in under each.  This is regarding your justification for our need to quickly move up to FBS.  I am curious to see your rationale, or whether you have thought those out.   Expected average home attendance each year over the next five if we stay in FCS.  You can use SELU as a good comparson if you need a model. Expected average home attendance each year over the next five years if we go FBS (were we to begin play in 2012). Expected annual operating cost if we move to FBS (including travel).  You can list the difference between the current (FCS) budget if you'd like. Expected annual [i]increase[/i] in revenues expected if we move to FBS. Expectation of the biggest non-conference team you expect we will host IN BEAUMONT each of the first five years of FBS. FBS requirements we will currently need to address in order to officially be eligible for FBS, and how long (months) it will take to make those adjustments.   Expected enrollment increase if Lamar becomes an FBS program. Expected season record of LU football over the first five years if we go FBS (list expected FCS season record next to each in parentheses) These are basic questions from any feasibility study, with a couple added specific to the sport.  Please be prepared to justify your answers.  This is only for you, UNLV, so I'm hoping others don't reply with their estimates.  You are highly critical of others who want to take a slower, rational approach.  As a result, I would just like to see the logical basis for your obsession with Lamar moving up to FBS as quick as you want.

[quote name="UNLV" post="846292" timestamp="1284386738"]Think small, win nothing. [/quote] UNLV, two things continue to amaze me on this board: your unfounded disdain for TexasTerror and your obsession with Lamar Football's status.  Wildcat58 comes along and makes a well-justified post about how Lamar needs to advance with caution, and as usual your reply brings nothing to the table other than Lamar's biggest football success that happened 30 years ago.  You obviously have no understanding of things like feasibility studies.  I, for one, am glad that the leadership of Lamar responsible for bringing football back does not have your "we just need to . . ." attitude--LU would likely be bankrupt with a lot of people asking where the justification was for doing what they did.  So, I'll ask you the same.  Whereas you haven't really ever provided backing to support your reasoning, please now provide us with some justification regarding LU's capacity to move up to FBS.  I'm looking for your financial estimates as well as your expectations of income and expectations of our results on the field after the move, in particular.  Let us decide if your criticisms for us not doing it match how easily you think it can be accomplished.  And please response with something more than your typical one or two sentence diatribe.  If you rather choose to attack me in your post, I'll assume you cannot provide these justifications.