bigred360

[quote name="thedogs1987" post="1149725" timestamp="1324505365"]
Yes, BISD has its share of problems and some extra....

I work in higher education and it's sad to see how the students of BISD compare to students in our area, our state and beyond.  Students overcome the ineptness of their education system. For that, you can be proud.


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Extreme class act in Coach Stump!!!

Better things are ahead for him!!! 


WB's loss, BISD's ignorance.
.....same old, same old.  No worries, fb fans in Beaumont, they still have the Palace.  [b]Quality Coaching, quality teaching  still doesn't matter to BISD.[/b][/quote]

So is there only quality coaching and teaching at WB? Was Coach Stump the only quality coach in BISD? I beg to differ if so. One of my sons graduated from Ozen and received a quality education. Just as my other son is at  Ozen now and is receiving a quality education and has received quality coaching thus far, no the programs haven't been all successful but he is there to learn more than to winning. Yes, BISD has its share of problems just as any other district. Each child is offered the same learning experience as the next one which shows in the magnet programs accepting students from all 3 high schools. All 3 high schools rate fairly well with the amount of academic and athletic scholarships at the end of the school year. Not sure that Coach Stump feels that any child will be left behind because of his departure.
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Shall I comment on how Ozen is coached, really?  I won't even go there.  Let's just say their actions speak louder than words.
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I will now applaud this post. LOL

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[quote author=tupac7 link=topic=93264.msg1149397#msg1149397 date=1324441670]
all do respect you are wrong...I was a an assistant who saw everything...I will be graduating from Lamar this spring but was allowed o coach on that staff...I like the new guy he was a figure head and did not run the program..I can't speak for is time at the brook but I know [b]he won every year up until ozen opened up..[/b][/quote]You keep saying this, but he was only Head Coach for 1 year when Ozen opened up. That was 1997, and he took WB to the quarterfinals with Chip Ambres at QB. The Bruins lost to Hastings.....I was on the sidelines! After that year, the program took a sharp decline. Hentschel saw the writing on the wall....when Ozen opened up, alot of those kids that lived in the Pear Orchard neighborhood, moved to Ozen. The Pear Orchard has always been where WB has gotten most of their talent, clear back to when it was Hebert. It most definitely had alot to do with the decline at WB. Rabb's offense was successful for many years, as long as he had the personnel to run it. When the talent dried up, that offense became inneffective. The records speak for itself during the "dark" years when Wb was the doormat of the district.
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Great post and I was at the Hastings game and WB would have won if they didn't turn the ball over 5 times. 4 fumbles and 1 int. Brother was on the sidelines as a member of the coaching staff.

He once told me, that team had the best athletes of any team he ever coached and Chip Ambres was the most talented player he was ever around.

However, you don't go that far in the 5A playoffs without other talent. BTW, that was before the UIL went to Division I and Division II in each classification. 

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You get what you pay for I wonder what Woodard pay is on the scale of other Southland coaches. I'm sure it is at the bottom. It's not like the guy was winning at Navarro JC. Willie Fritz the coach at Sam Houston was whipping him in the JUCO ranks so are we really surprise. The next coach should be from the area and bulid a fence around this area. There is no way that kids from this area should have offers from SFA NW St. or Sam Houston and not Lamar then when we play them we getting stomped. Really !!! All these teams have SE Texas kids on there rosters. The MLB / QB from Vidor should already have a offer and it should be from Lamar. The guy my not have the measureables but he can for surely play MLB. With some weight training he can at least stop them from giving up huge YPC in rushing game. Not saying that the guy will end up at LU but what ar they waiting on. J. Nelson should of been offered after his Jr. season. Did the coaches not see the numbers and look at the tape and think slot WR ? In the line of Wes Welker. The kids just has the skill set to get open.
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Man, where are you getting your information? Coach Woodard makes $150,000 plus incentives. Fritz doesn't make close to that at SHSU. Then he was whipping Woodard at the juco level? Fritz was the Head Coach at Blinn when Woodard was the DC at Kilgore. Then they offerred J. Nelson a long time ago. Maybe not after his junior year but early in his senior season. There is no Coach going to get all the talent in SE Texas. That is dreaming as some kids want to go off to college.

Believe me I have had questions about the coaching staff but obviously you are not in the know at Lamar.

http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/sports/lamar/article/New-Lamar-coaching-contracts-include-incentives-2335308.php
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I hear what you saying but when I say beating him I was comparing the Blinn offense to the Kilgore defense which Woodard was running at the time. When I say offer a kid I meant early. I know that Lamar will never get all the athletes but I'm sure if you follow Lamar recruiting you will have questions too. Not here to put the program down I just want to see the Redbirds suceed. I'm not that old but kids seem to value the first school that spots there talent. Being the first school to offer a kid a scholarship can pay off real big in the end.
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Last spring Lamar had all of 10 scholarships available and they offerred Fred Ford early. I have followed Lamar recuiting very closely. What player or players did Lamar not offer that you think we should have signed? I know we were the first to offer J. Nelson this year. Now, there are a couple others recuiting him as well. After the pass spring semester we offerred the WR/QB/DB from Kirbyville but he took the walk-on offer from SFA. We told him once a scholarship came open it was his. What else is the coaching staff suppost to do with a limited number of scholarships?

Right now we have 22 scholarships available and I know of 4 local kids who have already committed to Lamar. I totally agree that we should recruit SE Texas heavily but every year there is going to be someone who Lamar doesn't offer that is going to make some fan's unhappy.

Again, we can't sign everyone and I hope you don't think there are 22 SE Texas senior's who are good enough for the FCS level.

As for as Woodard being the DC at Kilgore, Blinn didn't just beat them as they won the NJCAA National Championship with Willie Fritz.

In the end, I think all Lamar alumni/students/supporter's/fan's want to see the program succeed. We just don't all agree on the way to get there!

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107,000 will be his salary....Yeah money has something to do with it....
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I believe that is a bit more than he was making at West Brook. Money sure didn't hurt the deal.

His son was a senior so unless there is another Stump on the way up I don't see that as a issue here.

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Bigred, please tell me why he was a good coach. His record speaks for itself. I was there for 4 years when Hentschel was coach. The play calling wasn't very good. I played defense so are no sour apples. Like I said, I have nothing against him and I think is a great guy, but he just wasn't a good coach. The school board probably wishes they would've picked someone else. There were other good candidates when Rabb got it. I'm surprised they let him coach that long, most coaches would be gone before going 7 years without making playoffs.

Back to thread, i hope WB gets a great coach and I'm sorry to see Stump go.
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Scalp'em, I'm not saying he is the greatest Head Coach in the history of the school but he was/is better than some are making out. Just like the post above states a lot of kids when Ozen was first opened wanted to play there because it was the old Hebert where their dad's/uncles/relatives played and won a few state titles. Now, how can I know this? Because, I was told this by my brother who was on the WB coaching staff. He thinks Al Rabb is a fine coach and great person. He said he was a good offensive coach but there were factors that he either over-looked or wasn't able to do anything about.

For example, can a defensive staff put in a game plan in an hour and a half? Heck, no you can't but there were times at West Brook where that happened.

If you don't think opening Ozen affected the quality/numbers of athletes at WB I don't know what else to say.

So, the reason Hentschel teams failed in the playoffs was Rabb was the OC. Dang, you must be the only one to see this as the School Board voted him as the next Head Coach.

Rabb wasn't successful at WB after Chip left but there were other things going on in the BISD that effected his teams.

Not a excuse just the truth.

LOL, he wasn't ready for FSU straight after HS.  8) Plus, it helped a lot to be diagnosed with diabetes and be able to treat it and that happened while playing juco ball.  ;)

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Wow Johnny Beaumont. Maybe your talent in those dark ages sucked.  You can't bob for apples in a bucket of terds.  " just sayin"

You should think the opening of Ozen to allow you playing time then. 

Big red. They say what they want people to believe.

For west brooks sake.  I hope there is someone needing a job just like stump was at Kelly. 

Very hard to hope for lightning to strike twice.
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I don't doubt that we were losing talent, but that's no excuse for how bad WB was.  There was SOME talent there. There were tons of good atheletes that chose to play other sports because of the lack of a program he had. Football was a joke in the early 2000s. [b] Shannon Boatman was a man child, played at FSU.[/b]  Quinn Pinson was an absolute stud before he got hurt.  But when he runs it EVERY STINKING TIME, it gets predictable.

What Stump can be credited for is changing the culture at that school. He created a disciplined program that expected to win, and great athletes from WB and from Beaumont and general wanted to be a part of it.
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I know Shannon Boatman's mom and have met Shannon several times. First, he played juco ball before going to FSU. Second, he is diabetic and for any athlete that is a challenge.

No, they didn't go back to the option after Chip left because Rick his younger brother was the QB the next year and was no where near the athlete/runner that Chip was.

They passed the ball in the offense with Rick. The younger Ambres was a pass first QB. He didn't have 4.4 speed like Chip.

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You get what you pay for I wonder what Woodard pay is on the scale of other Southland coaches. I'm sure it is at the bottom. It's not like the guy was winning at Navarro JC. Willie Fritz the coach at Sam Houston was whipping him in the JUCO ranks so are we really surprise. The next coach should be from the area and bulid a fence around this area. There is no way that kids from this area should have offers from SFA NW St. or Sam Houston and not Lamar then when we play them we getting stomped. Really !!! All these teams have SE Texas kids on there rosters. The MLB / QB from Vidor should already have a offer and it should be from Lamar. The guy my not have the measureables but he can for surely play MLB. With some weight training he can at least stop them from giving up huge YPC in rushing game. Not saying that the guy will end up at LU but what ar they waiting on. J. Nelson should of been offered after his Jr. season. Did the coaches not see the numbers and look at the tape and think slot WR ? In the line of Wes Welker. The kids just has the skill set to get open.
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Man, where are you getting your information? Coach Woodard makes $150,000 plus incentives. Fritz doesn't make close to that at SHSU. Then he was whipping Woodard at the juco level? Fritz was the Head Coach at Blinn when Woodard was the DC at Kilgore. Then they offerred J. Nelson a long time ago. Maybe not after his junior year but early in his senior season. There is no Coach going to get all the talent in SE Texas. That is dreaming as some kids want to go off to college.

Believe me I have had questions about the coaching staff but obviously you are not in the know at Lamar.

http://www.beaumontenterprise.com/sports/lamar/article/New-Lamar-coaching-contracts-include-incentives-2335308.php

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Funny when a coach has a " man child " they should win state ,like PA or west brook or central or ozen , one player does not a team yes team make , rabb was a good coach , you try to win when you take most of your team to make ozen , when ozen filled up , wb started winning again , now that ozen is losing enrollment we stop transfers . Soulja you must really be out of touch.
[/quote]Rabb with the option right, option left, run right punt offense?  If you call that good coaching, then we have no arguments.  I'm not out of touch,but i'm begining to think that you are if you believe Rabb was a 'good' coach.
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BMTSoulja, did you watch the Bruins when Chip Ambres was there? The offense was a lot more than running the option or running. They passed the ball a great deal. Then when Chip hurt his knee his brother took over for three games and he wasn't a runner. He was a pass first QB.

Then that year they lost to Hastings in the 5A quarterfinals in the Astrodome.

Radd was a good coach as my brother was the WR coach for the varsity team that year.

As great as Chip was one player at the 5A level doesn't get you that deep in the playoffs without other good players around him.

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Chatanooga? When did we play them?
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Lamar had an NIT game at the Montagne.  I don't remember much except that LU lost in OT I think.
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Yeah, Lamar lost to them after having a 7 point lead with 42 seconds left in the game. They had Gerald Wilkins who is the younger brother of  Dominique Wilkins. Gerald also played in the NBA for seveal years.

Best post I've ever read from you on this forum....

WO-S will win this battle by a close margin. 17-10 Mustangs!

Wow, I wasn't expecting that score!

Congratulations on a great season to the players, coaches and community of Nederland.

Great job Jeff you deserve everything coming your way. Great season to the Pirates, the coaching staff, community and Coach Mathews!

Congratulations to Kelly. Best of luck next week.

Glad to hear you are back on your feet after a major surgery like that. God bless and may your recovery continue on the fast track.

WO-S will beat Coldspring next week. My predication is 21-13 Mustangs!

Edit: My prediction is WO-S 21 to 13 over Coldspring.  ;D

Smart coaching by Cornel Thompson as he is playing to the strength of the of the players on his team. They have gotten better as the season has gone and are peaking at the right time in the playoffs.

I knew the Mustangs weren't able to be successful in a power running attack as they don't have the players to be effective in that type of offense.

To Coach Thompson's credit he saw that and made corrections and that is what great coaches do.

Best of luck to the Mustangs this weekend in the playoffs and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. 

It's off 59 and it's a private school and they (private schools) all have nice campus'.

Have you seen Oral Roberts University? Wow, nice!

Remember Lamar almost beating Duke (lost 66-62) when Coach Foster was here and Duke played Louisville for the National Championship after winning 36 straight games.

I know they are planning a new basketball arena as that came for the school president.

Everyone has an opinion, I just don't think HBU is the best fit for the SLC.

Now, that is one tough kid. Makes me wonder about a few others???