stevenash

Come on, Dove- Tell us what is wrong with this lineup. ( please omit the Dove unapproved off season training methods used by any of the participants)

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1400030" timestamp="1367515329"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110895.msg1399808#msg1399808 date=1367453804] And my point is that it is all relative.  Those players succeeded without excessive speed, jumping ability, and with no special crossover.  They found other ways to do well.  It applies at all levels. [/quote]No, it applies to SOME individuals  >:(  Now go take your nap  ;D [/quote] No, it applies at the NBA level, at college level, at high school, at junior high, and at Little Dribblers. ( The aforementioned players likely participated in each of those levels)  Dont need a nap.  I jogged 4 miles this morning before I got to work and that keeps me going.( The only reason I mentioned the 4 miles is because I know all of that jogging and cross country type stuff drives you nuts)

[quote name="knows2much" post="1399912" timestamp="1367503907"] [/quote] Exactly, a lot of wasted time in public schools. [/quote] That "wasted time" is part of it though.  Going from class to class....following rules and policies....being held accountable...  I don't know very many people that just get to "go home" or "go to the gym and work out" when there work is done.  In the real world most people work 40 hours a week or more...regardless if there is wasted time or not. By the way...  I have a friend who is a teacher.  She told me the time between classes was reduced to 4 minutes, and they have to teach from start of class to finish, and they are not allowed to check roll unless the kids are busy working on something.  And she said checking roll takes a matter of seconds because it's basically clicking on a computer who is there and isn't. You guys are just missing the point altogether.  Home school kids do not have same guidelines as public school kids. And lets not fool ourselves in to thinking/believing that there is not wasted time for home schooled kids. [/quote]

And my point is that it is all relative.  Those players succeeded without excessive speed, jumping ability, and with no special crossover.  They found other ways to do well.  It applies at all levels.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1399615" timestamp="1367414083"] I like Stockton and Mullen...don't remember them with Celtics. ??? [/quote] Never said they were with Celtics.  They are living proof/documentation that you can make it without excessive speed and athleticism.( just like Bird)

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1399499" timestamp="1367354306"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110895.msg1399414#msg1399414 date=1367341407] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110895.msg1399413#msg1399413 date=1367341340] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110895.msg1399397#msg1399397 date=1367339330] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110895.msg1399330#msg1399330 date=1367329236] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110895.msg1399056#msg1399056 date=1367252085] Robert "tractor" Traylor plaid in the NBA [/quote] Unless Tractor played in 2012-13 season in district (?) 3-A, your analogy does not matter  :P [/quote] Fortunately, speed is not the only ingredient necessary to be a good basketball player.  For those who are "less fleet of foot", those things can be offset by becoming particularly good in other aspects/skills related to the game.  I know how you hate this Dove, but Larry Bird immediately comes to mind. [/quote] Please do not mention Larry Bird to me. In fact, lets keep John Havlicek, Bob Cousy, & Ainge out of the conversation. Thank you!! [/quote] Obviously a racist comment. [/quote]Nash, there is no such thing as racism anymore. I was referring to the fact that they are all former Celtics.  ;D [/quote] Would you please convey your racist sentiments to Al, Jesse, Barack, and Dicky V?  And, ok about the Celtics.  John Stockton and Chris Mullen.

Here is some interesting info from a coach with whom I am pretty close: 1)  There will never be a shot clock in Texas high school basketball.  Schools can hardly find someone to keep the real clock, much less someone to restart a clock every time the ball touches the rim….and thats before you get to the cost of installing them. 2)  As for offense v. defense I can tell you this from experience.  I think "Defense wins championships" is an overrated quote.  In my first year as a head coach I couldn't wait to get in there and get our pressure defense put in.  We spent so much time learning to trap, rotate, sprint, etc.  And guess what….we were pretty dang good defensively.  We were not giving up many points at all….we got to district and started out 0-2 and it was because we couldn't score.  From that point on we spent the athletic period every day doing individual shooting drills.  Each player was getting up 300-400 shots in competitive game type situations.  We ended up winning the district and advancing two rounds in the playoffs.  We started winning because we could score.  I'm not saying defense isn't important but, defense can be successful with great effort.  Offense cannot be great without skill and execution both of which take longer to develop.  Any coach will tell you that their defense comes along faster than their offense.  Being able to defend is great but, you dang sure better be able to put the ball in the bucket.  Here's my take on "Defense Wins Championships"……I've never seen a championship game end 2-0.  You gotta be able to score in this game.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1399422" timestamp="1367342437"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1398031#msg1398031 date=1366925343] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397998#msg1397998 date=1366921956] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1397917#msg1397917 date=1366911544] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397912#msg1397912 date=1366910685] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1397907#msg1397907 date=1366910119] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397871#msg1397871 date=1366904027] Some people just can't get over losing to [s]good[/s] better teams. [/quote] And some cant get over losing to "unfairly assembled" teams [/quote]Thats when good coaching comes into play, would you agree? [/quote] Good coaches cant play the game and cant substitute African 7 footers [/quote]Anyway, I saw a 6'0" foot kid take the ball away from a 6'9" American kid last night. Maybe on the defensive side [s]your[/s] some players need to get [i]quicker [/i]on defense and less time running off-season marathons.  ;) [/quote] NOt sure about that Dove- our kids fair pretty well when they are on a level playing field. [/quote] Play defense to get you on a level field. Be thankful you're not playing with a shot clock, yet!! [/quote] I have a feeling that our staff can make the shot clock adjustment just as efficiently as any other staff can.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1399413" timestamp="1367341340"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110895.msg1399397#msg1399397 date=1367339330] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=110895.msg1399330#msg1399330 date=1367329236] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110895.msg1399056#msg1399056 date=1367252085] Robert "tractor" Traylor plaid in the NBA [/quote] Unless Tractor played in 2012-13 season in district (?) 3-A, your analogy does not matter  :P [/quote] Fortunately, speed is not the only ingredient necessary to be a good basketball player.  For those who are "less fleet of foot", those things can be offset by becoming particularly good in other aspects/skills related to the game.  I know how you hate this Dove, but Larry Bird immediately comes to mind. [/quote] Please do not mention Larry Bird to me. In fact, lets keep John Havlicek, Bob Cousy, & Ainge out of the conversation. Thank you!! [/quote] Obviously a racist comment.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1399330" timestamp="1367329236"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110895.msg1399056#msg1399056 date=1367252085] Robert "tractor" Traylor plaid in the NBA [/quote] Unless Tractor played in 2012-13 season in district (?) 3-A, your analogy does not matter  :P [/quote] Fortunately, speed is not the only ingredient necessary to be a good basketball player.  For those who are "less fleet of foot", those things can be offset by becoming particularly good in other aspects/skills related to the game.  I know how you hate this Dove, but Larry Bird immediately comes to mind.

Robert "tractor" Traylor plaid in the NBA

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1397998" timestamp="1366921956"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1397917#msg1397917 date=1366911544] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397912#msg1397912 date=1366910685] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1397907#msg1397907 date=1366910119] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397871#msg1397871 date=1366904027] Some people just can't get over losing to [s]good[/s] better teams. [/quote] And some cant get over losing to "unfairly assembled" teams [/quote]Thats when good coaching comes into play, would you agree? [/quote] Good coaches cant play the game and cant substitute African 7 footers [/quote]Anyway, I saw a 6'0" foot kid take the ball away from a 6'9" American kid last night. Maybe on the defensive side [s]your[/s] some players need to get [i]quicker [/i]on defense and less time running off-season marathons.  ;) [/quote] NOt sure about that Dove- our kids fair pretty well when they are on a level playing field.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1397912" timestamp="1366910685"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111016.msg1397907#msg1397907 date=1366910119] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111016.msg1397871#msg1397871 date=1366904027] Some people just can't get over losing to [s]good[/s] better teams. [/quote] And some cant get over losing to "unfairly assembled" teams [/quote]Thats when good coaching comes into play, would you agree? [/quote] Good coaches cant play the game and cant substitute African 7 footers

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1397871" timestamp="1366904027"] Some people just can't get over losing to [s]good[/s] better teams. [/quote] And some cant get over losing to "unfairly assembled" teams

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1397841" timestamp="1366900276"] For high school: 1. Dribbling, shooting, & passing 2. Blocking out & rebounding [/quote] And for certain high schools, "acquiring players" that dont belong there.

Only if you can promise him Gestapo immunity but GEstapo protection

You have an excellent memory.  I will trade you the picture of the donkey for the picture of the goat.

I couldnt access your link because we cant get to youtube on the corporate network.  Since you erased it, I assume it was less than flattering.  Am very glad you did that because I didnt want to be forced to find that pic of you and the donkey.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1397520" timestamp="1366815374"] I bet you are familar with 15 isn"t 18!!!!! [/quote] No, I am not.  But is sure sounds like you may be familiar with it.  Tell me about it.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1397308" timestamp="1366748686"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111348.msg1397294#msg1397294 date=1366746895] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111348.msg1397174#msg1397174 date=1366735910] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111348.msg1397149#msg1397149 date=1366733260] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111348.msg1397133#msg1397133 date=1366731813] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111348.msg1396935#msg1396935 date=1366672889] I wonder if Yates or Triple A have talked to him yet? [/quote] I can assure you AAA has not spoken to him.  And Woods [u]would contact [/u]Yates [/quote] How do you know AAA has not spoken with him?  Sounds like you are part of their player acquisition department.  As for contacting Yates, that might happen after he receives a call from Akeem. [/quote] Because AAA does not compete on the main "AAU/summer circuit." If this kid is as good as he looks, he will [s]sell his soul [/s]get gobbled up by Nike, Under Armour, or Adidas. [/quote] Ok  We will assume he gets (as you say) gobbled up.  Does that mean he doesnt attend high school? [/quote] ::) [/quote] The only question left is whether Yates or AAA contacts him first.

[quote name="usedtobe" post="1397336" timestamp="1366755118"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=110159.msg1397267#msg1397267 date=1366744620] [quote author=BADSANTA link=topic=110159.msg1397258#msg1397258 date=1366744027] Stevenash taking the fact you were caught twice on the MSNBC Special "How to Catch A Preditor", I wouldn't be so fast to talk. [/quote] That would be "predAtor" [/quote] Touche' Nash.  I missed that particular MSNBC special but, what is a Preditor, anyway? 8) [/quote] Only Santa can answer that.  I am not familiar with that "word"

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1397311" timestamp="1366748932"] Congrats guys!!! Oh Lord, I hope Big ol' Girl  ;) don't see this.  ;D [/quote] Come on, Dove.  You can provide better "stir the pot" comments than that one.

[quote name="BLUEDOVE3" post="1397174" timestamp="1366735910"] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111348.msg1397149#msg1397149 date=1366733260] [quote author=BLUEDOVE3 link=topic=111348.msg1397133#msg1397133 date=1366731813] [quote author=Stevenash link=topic=111348.msg1396935#msg1396935 date=1366672889] I wonder if Yates or Triple A have talked to him yet? [/quote] I can assure you AAA has not spoken to him.  And Woods [u]would contact [/u]Yates [/quote] How do you know AAA has not spoken with him?  Sounds like you are part of their player acquisition department.  As for contacting Yates, that might happen after he receives a call from Akeem. [/quote] Because AAA does not compete on the main "AAU/summer circuit." If this kid is as good as he looks, he will [s]sell his soul [/s]get gobbled up by Nike, Under Armour, or Adidas. [/quote] Ok  We will assume he gets (as you say) gobbled up.  Does that mean he doesnt attend high school?

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1397276" timestamp="1366745402"] Yep!  :'( [/quote] There is only one reason your contention cannot possibly be correct.  I would not watch or appear on anything related to MSNBC no matter what.  That network is the scum of the earth.

[quote name="BADSANTA" post="1397258" timestamp="1366744027"] Stevenash taking the fact you were caught twice on the MSNBC Special "How to Catch A Preditor", I wouldn't be so fast to talk. [/quote] That would be "predAtor"